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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
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SHr3DD3r
Pakistan2137 Posts
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
On October 14 2011 06:28 Takkara wrote: TSM keep talking about their gaming house and bunkering in and making arranged 5's a priority and all of this talk about practice, but I just don't see any improvement or even much promise. I get that they're really busy just getting things in line for their gaming house, but I'm still overall unimpressed by TSM, and Regi specifically, over the last few tournaments. I don't know what TSM's problem is. I don't think Regi is their weakest player either. | ||
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BlueFlames
Germany1756 Posts
On October 14 2011 06:28 NeoIllusions wrote: MVP: Rammus king or king Rammus? Yes Rammus raping. Hope to see more of him in this tourney. Would make me happy to see more of shen aswell. | ||
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TofuFox
374 Posts
On October 14 2011 06:27 Hirosh wrote: so if fnatic wins the next one clg is through no matter what. if fnatic loses and clg wins we have a 3way tiebreaker and if dignitas wins and clg loses clg is out. am i correct on that assumption? Not quite. Fnatic, CLG win -> Fnatic (3-0), CLG (2-1) go through. Fnatic, TSM win -> Fnatic (3-0) through, Dignitas/CLG/TSM tiebreak (1-2) for 1 spot. Dignitas, CLG win -> Fnatic, Dignitas, CLG tiebreak (2-1) for 2 spots. Dignitas, TSM win -> Fnatic, Dignitas through (2-1). | ||
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CeriseCherries
6170 Posts
On October 14 2011 06:28 MoonBear wrote: 78k now btw. And for reference, SC2 has 18k well not to make it a competition but there's no game going on and no more coming~ | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
Honestly, if they just went Yorick top, Cait mid, Brand/Ali bot from the get-go, game would've been so much different. | ||
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Hirosh
Germany267 Posts
On October 14 2011 06:30 TofuFox wrote: Not quite. Fnatic, CLG win -> Fnatic (3-0), CLG (2-1) go through. Fnatic, TSM win -> Fnatic (3-0) through, Dignitas/CLG/TSM tiebreak (1-2) for 1 spot. Dignitas, CLG win -> Fnatic, Dignitas, CLG tiebreak (2-1) for 2 spots. Dignitas, TSM win -> Fnatic, Dignitas through (2-1). oh yeah, forgot that possibility. thanks man! | ||
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Treadmill
Canada2833 Posts
On October 14 2011 06:29 NeoIllusions wrote: I don't know what TSM's problem is. I don't think Regi is their weakest player either. To be fair - getting 3rd place in tournaments isnt exactly poor performance. I don't think anyone can argue that TSM isnt one of the top 5 teams in the world. | ||
Flicky
England2670 Posts
On October 14 2011 06:25 WaveofShadow wrote: Yes, but then doesn't it depend on who beat who to break the tie? Would probably be their time decider again. TSM's early swap partly worked and partly didn't but I don't think it hurt them too much even though you could easily jump at that as the "reason" they lost. The thing is, Fnatic had a very strong and specific lineup. The champions all have high mobility, a lot of poke and the right CC to catch enemy champions. TSM had a decent lineup but aside from Yorick ulting Caitlynn and Pulverise and Pillar of flame, there wasn't a whole lot too it. Teams with really good synergy aren't seen that often yet but we're starting to see more game-plans (you saw CLG's goal of having Cho and Trundle protect the main damage). TSM needed to do a little more homework here. I know Shushei has played Talon but I don't think he's good at him yet and I'm not sure if any of fnatic are particularly good as Akali (and surely if you're expecting to get Yorick it shouldn't be a big deal in lane). Shushei is famous for Gragas and Xpeke is famous for Kassadin. You can't let them get these champions, especially not together. | ||
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BlueFlames
Germany1756 Posts
On October 14 2011 06:31 Ryuu314 wrote: I honestly don't understand why TSM keeps trying to do weird lane setups. They've tried the 1v2 botlane like every time for the past 3 tourneys and every time it freaking fails. TSM has got to stop doing weird shit and trying so hard to counter the meta. Honestly, if they just went Yorick top, Cait mid, Brand/Ali bot from the get-go, game would've been so much different. I think the thing that lost them the game were the teamfights. Yorick catched up really fast, unnaturally fast. So the laneswitch was ok. The rammus jungle who raped them, was a problem they did not account for. Or Shushei hitting every effing ulti almost perfectly. | ||
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emucxg
Finland4559 Posts
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Shiv.
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On October 14 2011 06:28 NeoIllusions wrote: MVP: Rammus king or king Rammus? Cyanide not getting his favourite Troll? There can only be one response. ''I'm okay.'' | ||
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
On October 14 2011 06:30 TofuFox wrote: Not quite. Fnatic, CLG win -> Fnatic (3-0), CLG (2-1) go through. Fnatic, TSM win -> Fnatic (3-0) through, Dignitas/CLG/TSM tiebreak (1-2) for 1 spot. Dignitas, CLG win -> Fnatic, Dignitas, CLG tiebreak (2-1) for 2 spots. Dignitas, TSM win -> Fnatic, Dignitas through (2-1). Thanks. Very understandable when all the scenarios are written out. It's exactly what Phreak is talking about on the stream. So hard to understand what he's saying (dem hand gestures) | ||
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Woony
Germany6657 Posts
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Jacobs Ladder
United States1705 Posts
On October 14 2011 06:28 Takkara wrote: TSM keep talking about their gaming house and bunkering in and making arranged 5's a priority and all of this talk about practice, but I just don't see any improvement or even much promise. I get that they're really busy just getting things in line for their gaming house, but I'm still overall unimpressed by TSM, and Regi specifically, over the last few tournaments. I don't really like Regi, but he's capable of playing really well. I've seen him pull off some awesome stuff with Gragas and Brand. I think he gets in his own way though, his attitude isn't great. | ||
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
On October 14 2011 06:32 Treadmill wrote: To be fair - getting 3rd place in tournaments isnt exactly poor performance. I don't think anyone can argue that TSM isnt one of the top 5 teams in the world. I didn't say poor performance but I guarantee you that all 5 of TSM want to place higher/do better. They are no long in the top 3 NA convincingly. | ||
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BlueFlames
Germany1756 Posts
On October 14 2011 06:32 Treadmill wrote: To be fair - getting 3rd place in tournaments isnt exactly poor performance. I don't think anyone can argue that TSM isnt one of the top 5 teams in the world. Its sad that i have to disagree. But unless we can get an international tournament going on as expected, than we cant tell. WE won against CLG in China. Ehome made place 4. Who knows how it would look like if all the top teams would actually meet. America vs Europe is alway a nice topic, but we should not forget asia. WE really played well at guangzhou. They did not win by accident. | ||
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
In contrast Fnatic always seems to approach their games in a much more casual manner. They just go out and play. | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On October 14 2011 06:33 BlueFlames wrote: I think the thing that lost them the game were the teamfights. Yorick catched up really fast, unnaturally fast. So the laneswitch was ok. The rammus jungle who raped them, was a problem they did not account for. Or Shushei hitting every effing ulti almost perfectly. Well, I kinda disagree cause Yorick's strongest point is the fact that he can completely dominate his lane. By sending him bot, you basically completely give that up. TRM basically spent the first 20-25 minutes of the game playing catch-up, when he should've instead made it the other way around for whoever he's laning against. TSM tried to have Brand/Ali deny Kass top, but Ali decided to roam and completely defeated the purposed of a 2v1 top lane. Then the huge lane switches put them even more behind. Honestly, if they just sent Yorick top to annoy Kass and had Brand/Ali bot with Ali not roaming they would've been able to teamfight so much better. Altho yes, Fnatic's comp was much much stronger in general than TSM's. But honestly, TSM is just defeating themselves as much as Fnatic won. | ||
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