[IEM] Gamescom Discussion - Page 43

On August 19 2011 19:11 FindMeInKenya wrote:
Surprise that Caitlyn Taric combo hasn't shown up yet.

On August 19 2011 19:11 DarkRise wrote:
I don't get the thornmail for LeeSin against 2 AP carries.
Annie stun burst+ Tibers + Brand Aoe + stun = Dead
I think LeeSin was better off in the jungle and Udyr laning

On August 19 2011 19:14 Eppa! wrote:

If they tibber lee sin + Brand AoE + stun= SK loses wickd and kills 2-3 people.

On August 19 2011 19:12 TheYango wrote:
I don't understand why that Udyr jungled so defensively that game.

Udyr gets MASSIVELY outscaled in terms of teamfight utility lategame by Amumu. If he doesn't take advantage of his superior jungle control and ganking power early game, he's naturally going to fall behind. He didn't really gank (despite Shushei being pushed way forward to Wickd's tower multiple times) and he didn't pressure Amumu's jungle. He just afk-jungled and in that matchup, that makes absolutely no sense to me when the other jungler has a way more powerful lategame than you.

On August 19 2011 19:13 Kaniol wrote:

LoL is slowly becoming THE most talked about game AND it has it's own subforum on TL, no wonder that they feel threatened. Awesomely good games always had the issue with haters being afraid that their fav. games will be forgotten (i remember how much RA and TA fans hated SC, same with DOW, COH, SupCom fans - they all hated SC because of it's success). Some people just can't accept the fact that their game isn't the #1 game in the world (sorry SC but LoL's rise in popularity is in fact on the way for it to become the most played game - including competitive play - in the world)

On August 19 2011 19:16 NeoIllusions wrote:


EU Jungle is their biggest weakness. EU Bruisers probably next after that.
They simply don't play them as efficiently as NA teams.

Compare Rain Man vs SK's Udyr. It's like night and day.

On August 19 2011 19:12 TheYango wrote:
I don't understand why that Udyr jungled so defensively that game.

Udyr gets MASSIVELY outscaled in terms of teamfight utility lategame by Amumu. If he doesn't take advantage of his superior jungle control and ganking power early game, he's naturally going to fall behind. He didn't really gank (despite Shushei being pushed way forward to Wickd's tower multiple times) and he didn't pressure Amumu's jungle. He just afk-jungled and in that matchup, that makes absolutely no sense to me when the other jungler has a way more powerful lategame than you.

On August 19 2011 19:11 Southlight wrote:


LS pick was fine as he peeled really well and routinely fucked up Amumu's initiates. You won't understand unless you play Mumu and have to play against an LS/Cow. The problem was that they really shoulda swapped positions with Udyr; Udyr top LS jungle, much better ganks and much better lane presence. Just sort of mind-boggling for most of us.

Re;KM comparison to Ashe,
Ashe is picked because ECA is like arguably the single strongest skill in the game. The positioning punishment it affords is crazy. The downside is that her lane control is really weak... which is why ou saw her get bullied by a superior Trist (FB didn't help) and she also tend sto lose to Trist 1v1 so that random death in mid.

On August 19 2011 19:13 NeoIllusions wrote:


Maybe CLG will run it. Cait Taric is more or less a strat more popular on the NA server. TSM doesn't have a Taric player though. Xpecial could but he has other champs he feels stronger on. Elementz likes Sona the best, etc...

On August 19 2011 19:16 NeoIllusions wrote:


EU Jungle is their biggest weakness. EU Bruisers probably next after that.
They simply don't play them as efficiently as NA teams.

Compare Rain Man vs SK's Udyr. It's like night and day.

On August 19 2011 19:17 mercurial wrote:
My team gives away Udyr, then we counter him with teemo.

Wins games, really.

On August 19 2011 19:17 Southlight wrote:


Udyr can't fuck with Amumu too much though, is kinda the problem. Amumu clears too fast, and doesn't really lose outright to Udyr in a 1v1 fight. Then when they both hit 6 fighting a skirmish against Amumu is risky (esp in Amumu jungle) because you're asking for a skirmish to get Mumu ulted... which is bad when every lane is already inferior.

Also, when he ganked Shushei (once) he got burned pretty badly, and Wickd failed his Q shot/Shushei dodged them.

On August 19 2011 19:18 daemir wrote:


Agree totally, I was 100% expecting Lee in jungle when watching the picks. Udyr would have turtled (h4h4) much better vs brand and lee sins ganks are pretty awesome. I still think Wickd didn't show much presence once a team fight actually broke out, no outstanding ultimates to knock a couple people around, he couldn't get to brand or annie to give them hard time.
I feel like cyanide being caught by oce's wall so many times was the only thing keeping SK in that game for that long, as close at it ever was.

On August 19 2011 19:19 locodoco wrote:

depends on how much balls u have as udyr
u can do wolf->enemy wraiths->enemy double golem->home->wraiths->double golem->blue->wolf->wraiths->double golem->red and come out really ahead

On August 19 2011 19:16 NeoIllusions wrote:


EU Jungle is their biggest weakness. EU Bruisers probably next after that.
They simply don't play them as efficiently as NA teams.

Compare Rain Man vs SK's Udyr. It's like night and day.