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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
On August 19 2011 19:11 FindMeInKenya wrote: Surprise that Caitlyn Taric combo hasn't shown up yet. Maybe CLG will run it. Cait Taric is more or less a strat more popular on the NA server. TSM doesn't have a Taric player though. Xpecial could but he has other champs he feels stronger on. Elementz likes Sona the best, etc... | ||
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Eppa!
Sweden4641 Posts
On August 19 2011 19:11 DarkRise wrote: I don't get the thornmail for LeeSin against 2 AP carries. Annie stun burst+ Tibers + Brand Aoe + stun = Dead I think LeeSin was better off in the jungle and Udyr laning If they tibber lee sin + Brand AoE + stun= SK loses wickd and kills 2-3 people. | ||
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snow2.0
Germany2073 Posts
On August 19 2011 19:14 Eppa! wrote: didnt matter in the meta of this game, as SK was using all their burst on amumu respectively, rather than go kill somebody.If they tibber lee sin + Brand AoE + stun= SK loses wickd and kills 2-3 people. | ||
Beyonder
Netherlands15103 Posts
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
On August 19 2011 19:12 TheYango wrote: I don't understand why that Udyr jungled so defensively that game. Udyr gets MASSIVELY outscaled in terms of teamfight utility lategame by Amumu. If he doesn't take advantage of his superior jungle control and ganking power early game, he's naturally going to fall behind. He didn't really gank (despite Shushei being pushed way forward to Wickd's tower multiple times) and he didn't pressure Amumu's jungle. He just afk-jungled and in that matchup, that makes absolutely no sense to me when the other jungler has a way more powerful lategame than you. EU Jungle is their biggest weakness. EU Bruisers probably next after that. They simply don't play them as efficiently as NA teams. Compare Rain Man vs SK's Udyr. It's like night and day. | ||
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DarkRise
1644 Posts
On August 19 2011 19:13 Kaniol wrote: LoL is slowly becoming THE most talked about game AND it has it's own subforum on TL, no wonder that they feel threatened. Awesomely good games always had the issue with haters being afraid that their fav. games will be forgotten (i remember how much RA and TA fans hated SC, same with DOW, COH, SupCom fans - they all hated SC because of it's success). Some people just can't accept the fact that their game isn't the #1 game in the world (sorry SC but LoL's rise in popularity is in fact on the way for it to become the most played game - including competitive play - in the world) Agreed. What i don't understand is that I myself like playing both games and also love watching both. Why can't they accept the fact that both games can exist and its better for e sports. I think sc2 really pulled in a lot of childish fans, it wasn't like this in BW. | ||
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locodoco
Korea (South)1615 Posts
On August 19 2011 19:16 NeoIllusions wrote: EU Jungle is their biggest weakness. EU Bruisers probably next after that. They simply don't play them as efficiently as NA teams. Compare Rain Man vs SK's Udyr. It's like night and day. one tries to steal red and fucks flashs and gets raped by my corki top the other buys full retard items and goes tiger form in jungle both are pretty bad imo | ||
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Therealdevil
Netherlands1021 Posts
Wins games, really. | ||
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
On August 19 2011 19:12 TheYango wrote: I don't understand why that Udyr jungled so defensively that game. Udyr gets MASSIVELY outscaled in terms of teamfight utility lategame by Amumu. If he doesn't take advantage of his superior jungle control and ganking power early game, he's naturally going to fall behind. He didn't really gank (despite Shushei being pushed way forward to Wickd's tower multiple times) and he didn't pressure Amumu's jungle. He just afk-jungled and in that matchup, that makes absolutely no sense to me when the other jungler has a way more powerful lategame than you. Udyr can't fuck with Amumu too much though, is kinda the problem. Amumu clears too fast, and doesn't really lose outright to Udyr in a 1v1 fight. Then when they both hit 6 fighting a skirmish against Amumu is risky (esp in Amumu jungle) because you're asking for a skirmish to get Mumu ulted... which is bad when every lane is already inferior. Also, when he ganked Shushei (once) he got burned pretty badly, and Wickd failed his Q shot/Shushei dodged them. | ||
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daemir
Finland8662 Posts
On August 19 2011 19:11 Southlight wrote: LS pick was fine as he peeled really well and routinely fucked up Amumu's initiates. You won't understand unless you play Mumu and have to play against an LS/Cow. The problem was that they really shoulda swapped positions with Udyr; Udyr top LS jungle, much better ganks and much better lane presence. Just sort of mind-boggling for most of us. Re;KM comparison to Ashe, Ashe is picked because ECA is like arguably the single strongest skill in the game. The positioning punishment it affords is crazy. The downside is that her lane control is really weak... which is why ou saw her get bullied by a superior Trist (FB didn't help) and she also tend sto lose to Trist 1v1 so that random death in mid. Agree totally, I was 100% expecting Lee in jungle when watching the picks. Udyr would have turtled (h4h4) much better vs brand and lee sins ganks are pretty awesome. I still think Wickd didn't show much presence once a team fight actually broke out, no outstanding ultimates to knock a couple people around, he couldn't get to brand or annie to give them hard time. I feel like cyanide being caught by oce's wall so many times was the only thing keeping SK in that game for that long, as close at it ever was. | ||
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mufin
United States616 Posts
On August 19 2011 19:13 NeoIllusions wrote: Maybe CLG will run it. Cait Taric is more or less a strat more popular on the NA server. TSM doesn't have a Taric player though. Xpecial could but he has other champs he feels stronger on. Elementz likes Sona the best, etc... cait taric is strong in lane, but caitlyn really falls off in late game compared to other ad carries such as ashe or trist. ashe having much more useful utility, and trist having a shit ton more damage with her 90% AS buff. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On August 19 2011 19:16 NeoIllusions wrote: EU Jungle is their biggest weakness. EU Bruisers probably next after that. They simply don't play them as efficiently as NA teams. Compare Rain Man vs SK's Udyr. It's like night and day. Looking at the lineups for the respective teams, the two problems seem to be related, given that while US teams have players that play lane bruisers like Dyrus and Rain Man, and players that play jungle like TheOddOne and Saint, EU teams have the same players playing both lane tanks/bruisers and jungle tanks/bruisers--and end up good at neither. | ||
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
On August 19 2011 19:17 mercurial wrote: My team gives away Udyr, then we counter him with teemo. Wins games, really. Smash and I <3 you just a little bit more now. | ||
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locodoco
Korea (South)1615 Posts
On August 19 2011 19:17 Southlight wrote: Udyr can't fuck with Amumu too much though, is kinda the problem. Amumu clears too fast, and doesn't really lose outright to Udyr in a 1v1 fight. Then when they both hit 6 fighting a skirmish against Amumu is risky (esp in Amumu jungle) because you're asking for a skirmish to get Mumu ulted... which is bad when every lane is already inferior. Also, when he ganked Shushei (once) he got burned pretty badly, and Wickd failed his Q shot/Shushei dodged them. depends on how much balls u have as udyr u can do wolf->enemy wraiths->enemy double golem->home->wraiths->double golem->blue->wolf->wraiths->double golem->red and come out really ahead | ||
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
On August 19 2011 19:18 daemir wrote: Agree totally, I was 100% expecting Lee in jungle when watching the picks. Udyr would have turtled (h4h4) much better vs brand and lee sins ganks are pretty awesome. I still think Wickd didn't show much presence once a team fight actually broke out, no outstanding ultimates to knock a couple people around, he couldn't get to brand or annie to give them hard time. I feel like cyanide being caught by oce's wall so many times was the only thing keeping SK in that game for that long, as close at it ever was. IIRC Wickd ulted Amumu away a lot when Amumu tossed, which really fucked him up because he'd drop to like 50% hp or less on a whiffed ult. There was that one time before he got treads where he walked in, got kicked out, flashed back in, got stunned, then silenced, and like 10% before he could even try to cast a spell. On August 19 2011 19:19 locodoco wrote: depends on how much balls u have as udyr u can do wolf->enemy wraiths->enemy double golem->home->wraiths->double golem->blue->wolf->wraiths->double golem->red and come out really ahead Ends up boiling down to how much his jungle's checked too, cuz Amumu can tear through Udyr's jungle as well. If Amumu has balls he can take blue -> enemy wraith -> enemy mini -> back down to wolves. | ||
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Irave
United States9965 Posts
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Chrispy
Canada5878 Posts
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Bearded Elder29903 Posts
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ArC_man
United States2798 Posts
On August 19 2011 19:16 NeoIllusions wrote: EU Jungle is their biggest weakness. EU Bruisers probably next after that. They simply don't play them as efficiently as NA teams. Compare Rain Man vs SK's Udyr. It's like night and day. Wickd plays a pretty good Udyr actually. I dunno why he used Lee Sin instead of the other way around because I don't think Wetdream's jungle Lee Sin is bad at all. | ||
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locodoco
Korea (South)1615 Posts
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