Waiting for the Brand to get over-aggressive just sounds like waiting for the Brand to misplay because that's not what Brand should do in that lane. In fact I'd say Brand rarely wants to get overly aggressive/force things, you generally want to poke/zone and do more damage in an all-in. You're essentially saying a good bot lane beats a misplaying Brand.
Brand Support - Page 3
Forum Index > LoL Strategy |
Amarok
Australia2003 Posts
Waiting for the Brand to get over-aggressive just sounds like waiting for the Brand to misplay because that's not what Brand should do in that lane. In fact I'd say Brand rarely wants to get overly aggressive/force things, you generally want to poke/zone and do more damage in an all-in. You're essentially saying a good bot lane beats a misplaying Brand. | ||
North2
134 Posts
I'd really have to see it, but we're certainly never going to willingly put Brand support into a Draven lane. | ||
Amarok
Australia2003 Posts
Personally, I didn't like the Mobi boots. Yeah they're cheaper and map mobility is huge in competitive but Sorcs are such an incredible buy that I would have made an exception here, particularly given how much HP there were on 4 of TSM's 5 members and how MR heavy they ended up building. They didn't lose those teamfights by much, a bit more damage would have been massive. | ||
NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
| ||
sob3k
United States7572 Posts
Unimpressed with the fact that he still ran standard AP Quints when magic pen is mathematically superior. Also do not support no CDR, brand is not oppressive without his incredibly short cd stun. | ||
Amarok
Australia2003 Posts
My problem with the build was that he went Mobis > NLR. I know they wanted the slow but in a game like that he wasn't going to get to Rylai's in any reasonable time. He could have gotten Sorcs > Idol and had more impact for less gold or skipped the Mobi's to rush the Rylai's if it was that critical. He maxed W btw. | ||
ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
Brief thoughts on lane: -Pyl didn't do nearly enough damage, honestly Morde shouldn't even be able to get close to minions -You can afford to pot up pretty hard cuz of a ton of extra gold from spellthief's -Early glacial for Zeke's -> more spamming | ||
JazzVortical
Australia1825 Posts
They screwed up in practice. I fully agree with the Sorcs instead of Mobis. I get it, you are a support. You want the extra speed to ward. But you are also Brand, who has high base damage and a non AP scaling damage passive. Mpen is god like on him. I actually didn't mind the idea of Rylai's first, provided the lane went as anticipated. Brand should've dominated that lane, but Pyl got hooked early and never really got the ascendancy. He shouldn't have forged ahead with Rylai's first when they weren't ahead. I hate the idea that this might mean it isn't picked again, because it has merit. | ||
ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
Crystal Scepter is nice from top or possibly mid as an early item as a mix of survivability and AP, but it's risky with support's income-- doing a very rough estimate, Pyl got 8.6K/35 mins, which means an income of 245 gold (we can assume that it was lower during laning phase and was inflated by teamfight assists and global tower gold) meaning it takes 12 minutes (as a low estimate) to build it. Oh, and Pytl dicks around and builds a sightstone, mobis and buys wards before, so he is literally useless as anything but a wardbot until he gets his NLR at 20 minutes... at which point his team is down 6K and then his Rylai's at 25 minutes... at which his team is down 9K. Yeah. | ||
NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
| ||
Amarok
Australia2003 Posts
I've said it before, I'd prefer teams look to Support Brand when they're low on magic damage late in the draft, are planning playing standard lanes, are facing a team with low levels of dive, don't need initiation from the support or some combination of the above. I found it funny that people made a big deal of Brand doing more damage than Mord. Brands damage was actually pretty low, understandable given everyone on TSM built multiple MR items and he didn't have Mpen till the last fight. If they actually knew what the pick was capable of they'd be commenting on how low Pyls damage was. | ||
ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
| ||
Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
| ||
Amarok
Australia2003 Posts
| ||
ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On October 08 2015 14:33 Sufficiency wrote: Figured this is relevant https://twitter.com/SufficientStats/status/651604465703878656 I bet I contributed pretty heavily to that, lol. | ||
NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
| ||
Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On October 08 2015 18:02 Amarok wrote: No Velkoz? Ops. I think I set my sample size threahold too high (3 k games) - so Velkoz got filtered out. | ||
ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
| ||
Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On October 09 2015 07:28 ticklishmusic wrote: I guess that means cheese picks like Lee or Lux didn't make the cut either-- you have the ability to filter champ games by positions? Basically, Riot has a way of identifying the positions. I just piggyback off their data. And no, since there are 3k+ games per champion, you probably did not contribute that nuch | ||
| ||