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Muxtar
Ukraine64 Posts
On May 22 2015 20:33 LSN wrote: Thank you. Probably inbefore getting banned for giving opposition (or maybe being executed by flak??). lol User was temp banned for this post. ROFL. This man is prophet. It confirms TL being terran fan-site. Good job guys. | ||
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Salteador Neo
Andorra5591 Posts
On May 22 2015 10:59 woopr wrote: YEA FUCK TERRAN BIO ULTRAS SHOULD BE A FREE WIN This is some quality posting Oo' Why so much whinning about balance changes when this is still a beta, and most people posting don't even play it? (myself included). And why on earth is the turret change such a big deal to some? If you terrans lose a few games to stupid Oracles the world won't stop moving. Seriously the overraction is unreal. | ||
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TurboMaN
Germany925 Posts
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Muxtar
Ukraine64 Posts
On May 22 2015 21:14 Salteador Neo wrote: This is some quality posting Oo' Why so much whinning about balance changes when this is still a beta, and most people posting don't even play it? (myself included). And why on earth is the turret change such a big deal to some? If you terrans lose a few games to stupid Oracles the world won't stop moving. Seriously the overraction is unreal. Thanks God there are still some adequate people left who can see these rivers of tears out of nothing. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States43763 Posts
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States43763 Posts
On May 22 2015 21:12 Muxtar wrote: ROFL. This man is prophet. It confirms TL being terran fan-site. Good job guys. No. Martyring yourself results in a ban, and that's what he did. It's in the TL Commandments. It has nothing to do with the validity of his claims. | ||
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royalroadweed
United States8301 Posts
On May 22 2015 21:29 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: No. Martyring yourself results in a ban, and that's what he did. It's in the TL Commandments. It has nothing to do with the validity of his claims. I"m surprised he not permabanned tbh. All of his posts are consistently balance whine or personal attacks. | ||
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Dapper_Cad
United Kingdom964 Posts
On May 22 2015 20:21 LSN wrote: I measured it in words. Measurable doesn't necessarily mean in numbers, does it? Why yes, yes it does, that's exactly what it means. | ||
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Garsecg
United States129 Posts
On May 22 2015 22:00 Dapper_Cad wrote: Why yes, yes it does, that's exactly what it means. I wanted to type out you were wrong in thinking all measurements had to have numbers, but I couldn't think of any great examples, and upon doing research, turns out I was wrong. The key takeaway for me was that just because you can measure something without numbers does not mean you couldn't have a greater measurement of it if you were to find some way to assign numbers to it. There is, of course, something to be said for "if you have a hammer, then everything looks like a nail" and so when "measuring", it would be important not to miss the forest for the trees, but still. Metrology is the study of measurement, and there is a society and everything. Kind of cool: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metrology I still hate numbers. | ||
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mishimaBeef
Canada2259 Posts
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Meerel
Germany713 Posts
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ETisME
12266 Posts
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Ramiz1989
12124 Posts
On May 22 2015 21:12 Muxtar wrote: ROFL. This man is prophet. It confirms TL being terran fan-site. Good job guys. Nah, it is just that he is martyring himself and that is bannable by TL rules and standards, he isn't banned because of his last post that I mostly agree with. On May 22 2015 21:48 royalroadweed wrote: I"m surprised he not permabanned tbh. All of his posts are consistently balance whine or personal attacks. He isn't perma-banned because his posts make a lot of sense, unlike majority of Terran whine-posts here that are miserably failing to explain why splitting Mech ground and air upgrades is "bad" idea, and when you try to tell them why it should be that way they attack you with stupid design comparisons like "You don't need to make 8 factories as Zerg, lol, that's why we need less upgrades!" which is a complete nonsense and doesn't have anything to do with attack and armor upgrades of both races. Majority of Terran players here are not even getting the whole picture and why races need to function differently, and are just picking parts of their race and compare them to the parts of enemy race that suits them, or do some other nonsense like comparing SC2 Terran to the Brood War Terran, ignoring all of other differences and changes that happened between these two games and saying how it should work that way. | ||
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Dapper_Cad
United Kingdom964 Posts
On May 22 2015 22:36 Garsecg wrote: I wanted to type out you were wrong in thinking all measurements had to have numbers, but I couldn't think of any great examples, and upon doing research, turns out I was wrong. The key takeaway for me was that just because you can measure something without numbers does not mean you couldn't have a greater measurement of it if you were to find some way to assign numbers to it. There is, of course, something to be said for "if you have a hammer, then everything looks like a nail" and so when "measuring", it would be important not to miss the forest for the trees, but still. Metrology is the study of measurement, and there is a society and everything. Kind of cool: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metrology I still hate numbers. Yes. It's worth noting that you can measure a thing and then express your results without ever using a number: "Most people in Narnia are fairly happy with the current government" can be an entirely accurate measurement, though as you add more detail the numbers will appear. In this case something like: "We asked a statistically derived cross section of Narnian residents if they were a. unhappy b. fairly unhappy c. neutral d. fairly happy, e. happy with the current government and more than 50% of respondents said d." It's absolutely clear that LSN didn't attempt to make a measurement of the bias he was perceiving, he hadn't even made a case that it was possible to measure that bias, yet with complete confidence he called the bias "clear and measurable". I suspected he didn't understand the word. He didn't. Incidentally, props to you for learning. I didn't know that all measurement requires numbers either, I just saw a guy say "I see lots of pro-terran bias on TL" and that clearly isn't measurement. Honestly it's all entirely pointless as the entire idea of race balance is a distracting farce. If races are reasonably asymmetric and vaguely balanced then all race balance can be done with maps. Race balance is a very very narrow, almost debilitating, view of what balance means and arguing about it on a thread about units and upgrades is pretty much a complete and total waste of time. Something I suspect LSN already knows. | ||
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Cascade
Australia5405 Posts
On May 22 2015 22:36 Garsecg wrote: I wanted to type out you were wrong in thinking all measurements had to have numbers, but I couldn't think of any great examples, and upon doing research, turns out I was wrong. Just want to give credit for this. Don't see it often on TL, well done. Gold star from me: * | ||
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kiLen
Finland97 Posts
On May 22 2015 21:29 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: No. Martyring yourself results in a ban, and that's what he did. It's in the TL Commandments. It has nothing to do with the validity of his claims. It does say a bit about the validity of his claims. Saying that he was martyring himself is a big overstatement and does in fact prove that the ban hammer is easily swung when you have posted posts like the one he had. Martyring yourself is not equal to joking about getting banned or executed. A fair treatment would probably have been a warning if it is such a fragile subject to joke about getting banned. On the other hand people posting " YEA FUCK TERRAN BIO ULTRAS SHOULD BE A FREE WIN " does not even give a warning? Even though this posts contains explicit language and contributes nothing to the discussion? | ||
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intotheheart
Canada33091 Posts
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EsportsJohn
United States4883 Posts
On May 23 2015 00:17 IntoTheheart wrote: I wonder how Liberators will interact with the Ultras. Can't imagine them doing a better job than their cheaper and immune-to-irradiate cousin, the cyclone. Tbh, I'm not sure how the Liberator fits into Terran design at all. On May 22 2015 23:46 Cascade wrote: Just want to give credit for this. Don't see it often on TL, well done. Gold star from me: * Seconded. We don't have enough of this in the forums...most people will argue the wrong point to their dying breath, even after realizing they are completely wrong. | ||
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
When they bulldozed the complexity of macro, I rejoiced or said nothing. It was just a bunch of buttons, there was nothing to save there. The fun and strategy came from elsewhere. When they bulldozed the early game, I rejoiced or said nothing. It was just a bunch of buttons, there was nothing to save there. The fun and strategy came from elsewhere. When they bulldozed the technology tree, I rejoiced or said nothing. It was just a bunch of buttons, there was nothing to save there. The fun and strategy came from elsewhere. (…) Now I am left with chronic discontent and an arid game, I fail to see that history falters, I still don't want to listen to anything sensible and I prefer to blame my fellow gamers based on their race or style. Who am I? + Show Spoiler + In short, the SC2 crew was plagued with a common disease of the ill-named “modernity”: they thought backwards. (…) Plagued with the second common disease of “modernity,” short-sightedness, Mr. Viewer does not see that his short-term demands may spectacularly backfire in the future (see part I), fueling an “always more” drug-like logic, piling up artificial entertainment upon forced excitement in a rabid succession of blurry, shiny images. What will Mr. Viewer then do, once he's tired of the spectacle? He will say, “This game is shit” and sail away. (…) A third trait of “modernity” is that power in a given field tends to become increasingly intrusive because of hyper-rationalization. (…) Short-sighted users shall be jealous of “the shiny tools others get” and will ask Blizzard the same for “their camp,” failing to realize that they're completely falling into the oldest trap on Earth called “divide and rule”. People should instead unite and camp Blizzard's door so they have a playable RTS first. Otherwise, they will only get (1) an even worse game, (2) an even worse competitive scene, (3) an even worse balance. The “Liberator” sure has a prophetic name. How not to glimpse the very hand of fate in this saving unit? Hopefully it lives up to its name and frees us from the ignorance running rampant for years. Or no. Chains are better. Blaming Terran players and Zerg adepts and Protoss cheesers and X or Y is so much more fun. Clinging to irrelevant opinions for derisory gains is a brilliant strategy, the natural fruit of the superior minds forming the assembly of Starcraft experts. Sleeping is such a bliss. | ||
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intotheheart
Canada33091 Posts
On May 23 2015 00:22 SC2John wrote: Can't imagine them doing a better job than their cheaper and immune-to-irradiate cousin, the cyclone. Tbh, I'm not sure how the Liberator fits into Terran design at all. Seconded. We don't have enough of this in the forums...most people will argue the wrong point to their dying breath, even after realizing they are completely wrong. I don't think that it really solve problems either. Note that most of my current understanding of TvZ comes from the qxc blog. | ||
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