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Of all the patch notes these are definitely some of them.
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Patch 12.12:
- Bel is still overtuned. Her numbers are just too high, but Riot decided to shuffle them around in her first patch instead.
- I have heard multiple streamers say that Sera is OP in high elo, not quite sure what to make of buffing her even more lol.
- They are buffing on hit Kata again, ffs.
- Nerfing Zeri W scaling is great, hopefully that's the end of her AP build.
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I've heard the same for Sera and the stats back it up as well, but I've yet to see a single one of them actually perform in game. On the other hand almost everyone goes the wrong build as well so it's probably completely broken but we're still in the nobody knows how to play it phase.
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On June 26 2022 07:15 Fildun wrote:
I've heard the same for Sera and the stats back it up as well, but I've yet to see a single one of them actually perform in game. On the other hand almost everyone goes the wrong build as well so it's probably completely broken but we're still in the nobody knows how to play it phase.
She has good numbers overall, but it"s Masters+ where you start to see her winrate skyrocket. More specifically, it is Sera bot carry that is so problematic, not mid or support. Probably because that position lets her farm gold while also having peel, her best supports are unsurprisingly Senna and Ashe who also need a good whack from the nerf hammer.
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On June 26 2022 15:52 DarkCore wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2022 07:15 Fildun wrote:
I've heard the same for Sera and the stats back it up as well, but I've yet to see a single one of them actually perform in game. On the other hand almost everyone goes the wrong build as well so it's probably completely broken but we're still in the nobody knows how to play it phase. She has good numbers overall, but it"s Masters+ where you start to see her winrate skyrocket. More specifically, it is Sera bot carry that is so problematic, not mid or support. Probably because that position lets her farm gold while also having peel, her best supports are unsurprisingly Senna and Ashe who also need a good whack from the nerf hammer.
Ashe support is incredibly overrated imo, it's a bait pick.
Sera bot is good I agree, but everybody builds Rylais way too late. Also idk in my games it's just some random 200 LP Draven onetrick deciding today is the day to start playing Sera and then they play like a plat player, but of course that's low samplesize.
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On June 27 2022 19:43 Fildun wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2022 15:52 DarkCore wrote:On June 26 2022 07:15 Fildun wrote:
I've heard the same for Sera and the stats back it up as well, but I've yet to see a single one of them actually perform in game. On the other hand almost everyone goes the wrong build as well so it's probably completely broken but we're still in the nobody knows how to play it phase. She has good numbers overall, but it"s Masters+ where you start to see her winrate skyrocket. More specifically, it is Sera bot carry that is so problematic, not mid or support. Probably because that position lets her farm gold while also having peel, her best supports are unsurprisingly Senna and Ashe who also need a good whack from the nerf hammer. Ashe support is incredibly overrated imo, it's a bait pick. Sera bot is good I agree, but everybody builds Rylais way too late. Also idk in my games it's just some random 200 LP Draven onetrick deciding today is the day to start playing Sera and then they play like a plat player, but of course that's low samplesize.
I'm not so sure. In lane support Ashe looks like an utter troll pick, but outside it can be incredibly frustrating to deal with. No other champion has a 3.5s stun that reaches across the map (and building CD means it's going to be on a 30s cooldown), and zero counterplay global vision. Not to mention her W is insane peel vs melee champs with only limited gap closers. Don't think you can pick it blind and there are comps that can deal with it, but she complements Sera quite well for a reason. We'll really know if someone picks it in pro play.
I am seeing more and more pro games and Challenger streams where Gauntlet Bel is run, please shut this garbage down. Likewise, more and more people have learnt about the bs 12 min kill into Herald top, it is very easy to take down the inhibitor tower or at least reach it if enemy team doesn't react together.
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Belveth is just broken, it is what it is.
Feel like most of the benefits from durability patch are gone though, everybody has been getting buffed since then anyway.
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and they are damage buffed, riot don;t try some gimmicks like buffing cooldowns, utility, qol etc. No, they just buff the damage and we are heading towards a new durability patch in couple of seasons
p.s. I dont agree with you that Belveth is broken, she is actually disgustingly broken with my personal favorite being her E, this ability is retarded beyond belief
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yeah belveth e is fucking retarded. which genius decided to put a katarina ult and buffed irelia w on a basic ability?
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Patch 12.13 - everyone and their mothers getting buffed.
p.s. are they serious with the master yi buffs? each one of these could launch him into the op zone, but the 3 together is a fucking madness, he is going to be 55% in master+ elo, mark my words
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Idk what Riot was thinking when they buffed Yi like that, he's likely going to be hot fixed.
New champ looks overturned again, unsurprising but I think it's worse than Bel and Zeri. Need more time to be sure though
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name a single weakness the new champ has that is not mighty overcompensated with numbers or some type of strong utility
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Technically she is low ranged and can be kited, in reality she sticks to opponents like cling film. Also, I legit cannot believe Riot gave her Juggernaut Morde exp. share, the most broken change of one of the worst patches the game ever saw in terms of balance.
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Not strictly League related, but Project L looking nice.
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So whats the aftermath? is Nilah a successful experiment? I dont see her in my games at all, can't form an opinion
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On August 13 2022 19:19 M2 wrote:
So whats the aftermath? is Nilah a successful experiment? I dont see her in my games at all, can't form an opinion
Everything I've seen in proplay suggests she is garbage because she is gated by her range. Her kit has good numbers but 225 range makes everything moot.
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That's pretty sick. One time Maknoon replied to a reddit comment I made and it made my week.
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is chem soul coded to come more often in the preseason, its like every 2nd game I play (mind that I dont play a lot)
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On November 21 2022 22:18 M2 wrote:
is chem soul coded to come more often in the preseason, its like every 2nd game I play (mind that I dont play a lot)
Wouldn't be surprised if it had increased prevalence for a couple patches just so Riot can gather some data.
On a different note, heartsteel is hilariously broken on some champs, especially in ARAM. 5k HP is pretty normal. Shen, Tahm, and several other champs just become absolute raidbosses. Not so much by lifesteal tanking, but just by having so much effective HP that they live forever.
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On November 22 2022 04:36 Amui wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2022 22:18 M2 wrote:
is chem soul coded to come more often in the preseason, its like every 2nd game I play (mind that I dont play a lot) Wouldn't be surprised if it had increased prevalence for a couple patches just so Riot can gather some data. On a different note, heartsteel is hilariously broken on some champs, especially in ARAM. 5k HP is pretty normal. Shen, Tahm, and several other champs just become absolute raidbosses. Not so much by lifesteal tanking, but just by having so much effective HP that they live forever.
I don't think it's a well designed item:
- Tanks struggle to make good use of it because it's not that easy to stack for melee champs. But it can't be too strong, or else everyone will turn into a Sion tier health stacker. On ARAM, that's exactly what happens.
- This item was designed in a vacuum, without looking at other tank items. Specifically Titanic, you can easily reach 150 bonus AD with it and 150 on-hit damage. Watched a GM game with a fed Cho that had 380 AD without building a single other AD item...
- Numerous ranged champs can abuse it very hard. I watched a tank Karma on ARAM who literally could not die unless 5 enemy players focused her, 3 of which had BotRK.
- Champs that have no right to build this item are doing so. Heartseeker Vel sounds like a troll build, but the extra health lets him go for full combos and do %true damage to multiple targets, while face tanking anything you throw at him. I expect this item to not be broken for tanks, but some weird champions will abuse it hard enough to get patched.
Regarding ARAM balance, it is a very strong item, but people blindly spam it which is bad. 4 players with Heartseeker means an enemy with BotRK can facetank your team like some inverse tank (build dmg to be tanky hehe). But it sucks that the entire game mode revolves around one item now.
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Why is everyone talking about some imaginary tank meta again, adcs are useless and other bullshit, when the new tank items are arguably worse than last season? Made tanks more tanky but with less damage which perhaps is good for the game, maybe its bad, I don't know, but tank win rates (and pick rates I think) obviously dropped. Like what? I am not sure that there is even a single case where Jack Sho or the Heart thing (however they are called) outperformed the Sunfire aegis or the previous season Ice gauntlet (again forgot the exact name). Maybe only in ARAM there is some issue with the Heart item
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On November 24 2022 20:32 M2 wrote:
Why is everyone talking about some imaginary tank meta again, adcs are useless and other bullshit, when the new tank items are arguably worse than last season? Made tanks more tanky but with less damage which perhaps is good for the game, maybe its bad, I don't know, but tank win rates (and pick rates I think) obviously dropped. Like what? I am not sure that there is even a single case where Jack Sho or the Heart thing (however they are called) outperformed the Sunfire aegis or the previous season Ice gauntlet (again forgot the exact name). Maybe only in ARAM there is some issue with the Heart item
I think people play against some of the champs that REALLY abuse heartsteel, and remember that, because it is kinda traumatic getting taunted by Shen for 1k physical or get hit by a 2k+ true damage Sett W. They also see it spammed in ARAM because it's admittedly fun, regardless of whether it's good or not.
Aside from a few outliers with HP scaling skills though, it really isn't a tank meta because the tanks now melt, and don't do damage. EHP-cost wise, I don't think heartsteel even outperforms any of the old mythics until much later in the game. You'll need defensive boots, chain vest, negatron and probably a half dozen stacks or so before you start coming out ahead.
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What about the jungle items. Are they all viable or the green one is just better ? I have the feeling that most people go for the green
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New ARAM blows so hard when certain champs get picked.
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New ARAM is different and ... not better?
Happy new year
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Bot edit.
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My wins and loses from the previous season are still staying for all rank modes???
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Jesus fuck that was a brutal game,
is there an alive thread for current LCS games?
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anyone catch t1 vs kt? holy fuck game 5 is up there in one of the all time best matches. what a fucking game
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Yeah I saw it. That was extremely entertaining.
Let me elaborate on it a little bit. Game fives are always legendary if the two teams show up. There's a narrative that unfolds next to the one that already exists (Telecom wars, Faker, blablabla). The pressure to perform at this time at this level is insane. How do you keep your adrenaline ridden body in check at this point in time, especially when potentially game ending teamfights are fought again and again. 50+ min I think the game was? Insane showing of skill both of these teams delivered.
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If I were HLE, I would be so worried playing against that KT next series.
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