• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 06:35
CET 11:35
KST 19:35
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Finals Preview: Sweet Victory!9[ASL22] Ro4 Preview: Mirror Mirror6[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: Within Reach5[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: In A Tizzy11[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver5
Community News
Evil Geniuses - shutting down14ISSL (IntoTheTV x SOOP SC2 League): Premier5Weekly Cups (October 12-18): 5.0.17 era begins1[$1250] International ShieldBattery League73Weekly Cups (October 5-11): Farewell to 5.0.167
StarCraft 2
General
REPORT: StarCraft 2: Remastered In Development Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners No more SC2 streamers on team liquid? Evil Geniuses - shutting down How do you feel about the mass reverts in the 5.0.17 PTR?
Tourneys
ScienceCraft (October 24-25) - Live Event Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament RSL goes to London! 2026 Offline Finals Nov 21-22 ISSL (IntoTheTV x SOOP SC2 League): Premier WORTEX Challenger Series — Open SC2 LAN in Budapes
Strategy
[H] ZvP Mid-Late Game: Stalkers Collossi HT
Custom Maps
[G] How to playtest arcade maps [A] Nemrods 1/4 players [M] (2) Sweltering Sands
External Content
Mutation # 549 Endless Sparkles The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 548 Shining Bright Mutation # 547 Temple Of Terror
Brood War
General
Oceanic Brood War - Join and chat! Bot on ladder Do we even care about balance? [Recap] 0-6 Defeat for Mong's Team BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/
Tourneys
[$1250] International ShieldBattery League [ASL22] Grand Finals [BSL23] RO24 Group C Small VOD Thread 2.0
Strategy
Cliff Jump Revisited (1 in a 1000 strategy) 50,000-Word Terran Builds Memo 2026-10-22 Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
Mobile Legends: Bang Bang Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Armies of Exigo - YesYes? General RTS Discussion Thread
Dota 2
Dota 2 Champions League Season 3 Begins April 25!
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Canadian Politics Mega-thread Artificial Intelligence Thread
Fan Clubs
The Flash Fan Club Serral Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
Innovate or Game Over?
TrAiDoS
ShieldBattery on Mac
Kraekkling
[ASL22] Ro4 Day1 Ticket Giv…
bITt.mAN
Can Bots Beat Pros?? Starcr…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 9590 users

2021 LoL Esports General Discussion

Forum Index > LoL General
Post a Reply
1 2 3 4 5 11 12 13 Next All
AdsMoFro
Profile Joined January 2015
Japan4761 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-01-16 01:11:07
January 15 2021 10:22 GMT
#1
The off-season is finally over!

Links
  • Liquibet Announcement Page SOONTM
  • Discord esports LR channel
  • Spring 2021 LCK LR thread
  • Spring 2021 LCS LR thread
  • Spring 2021 LEC LR Thread
  • Spring 2020 LPL LR Thread


Resources
Liquipedia:
  • LCK Spring
  • LPL Spring
  • LEC Spring
  • LCS Spring

Que Sera Sera
AdsMoFro
Profile Joined January 2015
Japan4761 Posts
January 15 2021 10:25 GMT
#2


Late thread my bad. Edward (of M5/Gambit and later UoL infamy) has now retired. Seems like this off-season really was the end of an era.
Que Sera Sera
cheyennevalley
Profile Joined January 2021
United States1 Post
January 30 2021 15:09 GMT
#3
--- Nuked ---
chipmonklord17
Profile Joined February 2011
United States11944 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-03-31 01:54:05
March 31 2021 01:53 GMT
#4
MSI groups are out Seems insane that the LCL's reward for being the only wild card (or whatever the fuck PCS is, you know what I mean) to get a team into groups at worlds is to get VCS and LPL in their MSI group. I don't know what I expected or how they could have fixed this but I'm disappointed how they put VCS in a higher tier despite them not being at worlds at all.
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
April 23 2021 20:07 GMT
#5
Bo received a 4 month ban from the LPL,Teeen received a 4 month ban from the LPL, and bless received a 1 year ban from the LPL, Sheng Jie Gaming been removed from the LDL following the match fixing investigation by the LPL.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
evagalanina1984
Profile Joined April 2021
1 Post
April 26 2021 10:48 GMT
#6
--- Nuked ---
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
April 26 2021 14:27 GMT
#7
Rumors that TSM is going to buy out Upset from Fnatic if PoE's green card gets approved in time.

Yeah, another Upset to TSM rumor. I've heard this one before.
AdsMoFro
Profile Joined January 2015
Japan4761 Posts
April 29 2021 07:57 GMT
#8
On April 26 2021 23:27 Gahlo wrote:
Rumors that TSM is going to buy out Upset from Fnatic if PoE's green card gets approved in time.

Yeah, another Upset to TSM rumor. I've heard this one before.


So uh...LCS just gonna turn into a green card competition?
Que Sera Sera
DarkCore
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany4194 Posts
April 29 2021 09:00 GMT
#9
Would be sad, I want to see Upset succeed. But Fnatic is falling apart, Bwipo said on stream that he is considering leaving once his contract is over (if you trust his words), who knows if Nisqy will stay as well. Selfmade and Hyli are not in form. The top LEC teams aren't really looking for an upgrade in the ADC role, so TSM isn't actually a bad choice.
Fixed a bug where LeBlanc could lose
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
April 29 2021 11:51 GMT
#10
On April 29 2021 16:57 AdsMoFro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2021 23:27 Gahlo wrote:
Rumors that TSM is going to buy out Upset from Fnatic if PoE's green card gets approved in time.

Yeah, another Upset to TSM rumor. I've heard this one before.


So uh...LCS just gonna turn into a green card competition?

Nothing really changed. Teams have been shedding mediocre, overpriced NA players that they had to drag along due to league rules for years. Only difference now is the turnover rate is predicated on greencard/citizenship and not time played.

Not that Lost *really* counts, since he's from OCE and is only exempt because that League shuttered.
chipmonklord17
Profile Joined February 2011
United States11944 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-04-29 12:19:41
April 29 2021 12:16 GMT
#11
I don't blame Bwipo at all. From what I've read he was saying that if he's not in form its not worth the downsides of being on Fnatic, aka the expectation that you make the finals every single split. Which I completely understand. If he knows he's not in form why get shit on on top of it? Like imagine if he was Misfit's toplaner right now, would anyone care about how he's playing? Probably not, and certainly not to the same degree people shit on him now.

But yeah Fnatic is absolutely dead. Maybe they convince one of the 5 to stay and build a team around them. 100% Upset goes to NA next year
DarkCore
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany4194 Posts
April 29 2021 15:07 GMT
#12
The videos linked in that article do heavily imply that Upset thinks NA is an inferior region, otherwise he would go where the money is. From a personal finance view, NA is obviously the better choice, but hindsight is 20/20: he went from a dumpster fire OG lineup to a Fnatic roster than clinched 2nd EU seed and gave TES a tough time, if he wanted to be on a competitive roster there wasn't a better choice.
Fixed a bug where LeBlanc could lose
Sent.
Profile Joined June 2012
Poland9331 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-04-29 17:12:59
April 29 2021 15:12 GMT
#13
If you listen to Bwipo saying those words, you should see he's not talking about leaving a sinking ship or dealing with fan hate, but about needing a new start (likely in a worse team) in case he disappoints in summer.

Fnatic needs changes but they're not dead yet in my opinion.
You're now breathing manually
chipmonklord17
Profile Joined February 2011
United States11944 Posts
April 29 2021 23:50 GMT
#14
Arrow has a green card and will compete in amateur to prove he's good enough for LCS as a native NA player. Should be interesting to see him back, and if he shows even close to the same form as before his break he should be snatched up in 2022 pretty easily
DarkCore
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany4194 Posts
April 30 2021 08:53 GMT
#15
Not getting an offer is pretty harsh, wasn't he pretty good before his break?
Fixed a bug where LeBlanc could lose
chipmonklord17
Profile Joined February 2011
United States11944 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-04-30 12:58:24
April 30 2021 12:55 GMT
#16
He was a former MVP adc. Surprised EG or TSM didn't grab him just to have a back up adc they can actually use. I can't say definitively he'd be an upgrade to Deftly/Lost, but he certainly would be worth finding out. Hell having him on TL in case Tactical ints another split seems useful too.

Actually after looking at all of the adcs in the LCS most of them are mediocre as fuck. Shocked no one would give Arrow even some games
DarkCore
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany4194 Posts
April 30 2021 13:15 GMT
#17
I just don"t understand NA anymore, why is your region sop backwards when it comes to fostering talent?
Fixed a bug where LeBlanc could lose
chipmonklord17
Profile Joined February 2011
United States11944 Posts
April 30 2021 13:51 GMT
#18
Its not like Arrow is a new talent to be fostered. Or really 99% of the adcs in the region. If I were 100T or C9, or even Dig I wouldn't bother signing him. But everyone else absolutely should have an mvp tier adc on the bench.

Clearly its not a money issue or he wouldn't be in amateur, so its just surprising no team thought it could be beneficial to have another adc on their team
DarkCore
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany4194 Posts
April 30 2021 14:04 GMT
#19
It could be money, maybe nobody offered him appropriate compensation, so he reasoned that playing well in the amateur league will convince someone to pay him properly. Pay cut now to make bank later.

I didn't mean to suggest that he is new talent that needs to be coached, more that he is a known entity who would be a good replacement for the bottom half of ADCs in the LCS.
Fixed a bug where LeBlanc could lose
chipmonklord17
Profile Joined February 2011
United States11944 Posts
April 30 2021 15:15 GMT
#20
I guess it depends on if by "received no offers" he meant, no one reached out or organizations did but no one gave him the chance to put pen to paper. Either way I totally agree. He's either a good replacement straight up, or at the very least a very productive 6th man compared to the vast majority of useless subs in the west
1 2 3 4 5 11 12 13 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 1h 25m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft: Brood War
Shuttle 6007
Calm 4843
firebathero 2875
Rain 2216
Horang2 1305
Hyuk 364
Larva 293
EffOrt 216
Rush 197
Soma 193
[ Show more ]
Light 142
Pusan 119
Soulkey 110
Mind 98
JYJ 82
ZerO 74
ggaemo 39
Killer 35
ToSsGirL 33
Shinee 32
Sharp 25
ZergMaN 23
sorry 23
Movie 20
Hm[arnc] 17
Sacsri 15
Terrorterran 14
yabsab 13
Noble 10
Creator 5
Dota 2
Gorgc8829
ODPixel269
XcaliburYe82
Counter-Strike
dupreeh962
shoxiejesuss878
Other Games
Happy340
Livibee254
Pyrionflax236
crisheroes218
ZerO(Twitch)5
Organizations
Counter-Strike
PGL19044
Other Games
gamesdonequick948
StarCraft: Brood War
lovetv 8
[ Show 11 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• LUISG 28
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• iopq 9
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Stunt404
Upcoming Events
WardiTV Weekly
1h 25m
IntoTheTV X SOOP
1d
ByuN vs Lambo
MaxPax vs Bunny
PiGosaur Cup
1d 13h
The PondCast
1d 23h
Kung Fu Cup
2 days
IntoTheTV X SOOP
3 days
SHIN vs GuMiho
Clem vs Classic
WardiTV Invitational
4 days
GSL
4 days
Epic.LAN
4 days
Replay Cast
4 days
[ Show More ]
Sparkling Tuna Cup
4 days
Epic.LAN
5 days
Yamato Cup
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Acropolis #5 - GSC
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
HCC Season 3

Ongoing

Acropolis #5
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 4
BSL Season 23
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026

Upcoming

IPSL Winter 2026-27
SC4ALL II: Brood War
BSL 23: Non-Korean Championship
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
eXTREMESLAND 2026
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
IEM Beijing 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.