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On September 13 2021 03:15 chipmonklord17 wrote:
I guess alternatively you keep your ownership, TSM eats the loss of getting rid of PoE/holding him in contract prison, and you replace lost with whatever Chinese ADC swordart desires
TSM won't be eating a loss on PoE. They'll get a PHATTT transfer fee for him for sure.
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if Swordart's deal is any indication TSM aren't the best negotiators
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I mean, look at what C9 paid for Perkz, he is iconic but I think C9 were aiming for 1st seed and not play-ins. NA is rolling in investor/sponsor money, way more than EU and KR too, but it doesn't translate to much on-stage success. Makes almost everything they do look like a poor investment/negotiation.
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On September 14 2021 01:23 Slusher wrote:
if Swordart's deal is any indication TSM aren't the best negotiators
There's something about pay being double taxed when signing a Chinese player that made the number so large.
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On September 14 2021 05:22 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2021 01:23 Slusher wrote:
if Swordart's deal is any indication TSM aren't the best negotiators There's something about pay being double taxed when signing a Chinese player that made the number so large.
who has to pay that tax is part of the negotiation, TSM eating the entire cost for Swordart was a failure of negotiation. But I guess that is up to interpretation, I think it was reasonable to think Perkz would be worth his cost, I think Swordart after his performance at worlds was big mistake, and I said this at the time, not just now that they didn't make the playoffs you can check in this thread.
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I do think Swordart was a mistake for TSM, but also think that part of the issue was how badly TSM was built in general and not Swordart specifically. Botching the DL re-signing really really hurt that roster and their choice to go with a passive ADC in Lost over an aggro ADC like DoubleLift really hurt their team compositionally. A world where TSM's botlane is DL/SwordArt goes much differently, as does a world where TSM takes Palette for presumably significantly cheaper than SwordArt and they go spending that saved money on a different adc.
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On September 14 2021 07:14 chipmonklord17 wrote:
I do think Swordart was a mistake for TSM, but also think that part of the issue was how badly TSM was built in general and not Swordart specifically. Botching the DL re-signing really really hurt that roster and their choice to go with a passive ADC in Lost over an aggro ADC like DoubleLift really hurt their team compositionally. A world where TSM's botlane is DL/SwordArt goes much differently, as does a world where TSM takes Palette for presumably significantly cheaper than SwordArt and they go spending that saved money on a different adc.
Given how DL has been since he's retired, I don't think the difference is as large as one would usually assume. DL just doesn't have it in him to compete anymore. Probably would have still made worlds, but overall been an unsatisfying year. Palette straight up didn't speak English at all, which is why they dropped pursuing him. By then the only decently skilled available native ADC was Sneaky.
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If I remember correctly, as I heard it, they were pursuing Palette until DL said his support must speak better english so they stopped, then lost DL anyway. But that definitely could have been a team wide decision. On a separate but related note, shame on almost every team in NA for not getting Maple when he left LGD. I believe it was Nelson pointed out that not only was a free agent, he also speaks English. Meaning you could have gotten a legitimate world class mid laner for free agent price that could actually help your team achieve something at worlds.
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On September 15 2021 05:57 chipmonklord17 wrote:
If I remember correctly, as I heard it, they were pursuing Palette until DL said his support must speak better english so they stopped, then lost DL anyway. But that definitely could have been a team wide decision. On a separate but related note, shame on almost every team in NA for not getting Maple when he left LGD. I believe it was Nelson pointed out that not only was a free agent, he also speaks English. Meaning you could have gotten a legitimate world class mid laner for free agent price that could actually help your team achieve something at worlds.
Way I always heard it was DL asked for a world class support so they went after Swordart. Negotiations looked like they weren't going well so they asked DL if he had any suggestions, to which he said Palette. Through negotiations they found out he didn't speak English and told DL, who told them he wasn't interested and was going to retire in that case. Then Swordart's contract was finalized and DL tried to come back, but with 2017 Spring and the way negotiations went, they told DL there wasn't a spot for him.
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Good to see Carlos is still scum. Some things never change.
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Tbh, he did take a big blow this year, so there was at least some justice. G2 not making Worlds and crashing Playoffs is a big blow for an org that won the previous 4 seasons.
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+ Show Spoiler [esportmaniacos] +https://twitter.com/Esportmaniacos/status/1438140996861181953
G2 Falco and G2B2 looks all but confirmed and no teams appearently want to pick up Wunder. Rumours about Mikyx also being on his way out.
My guess is Mikyx will be part of a trade deal. Treatz or Advienne?
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On September 17 2021 04:43 Gahlo wrote:
Treatz pls.
Crazy that Treatz was rotting in NA Academy and he's now one of the best supps in EU
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On September 17 2021 07:27 AdsMoFro wrote:Crazy that Treatz was rotting in NA Academy and he's now one of the best supps in EU
If there's anything that's certain it's that TSM has zero clue how ready their Academy players are for pro play.
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Inb4 Rekkles picks G2's new support and then leaves the team
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There's been rumors G2 is trying to get BB.
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EPT
