The only thing that would have me as skeptical is that it would be hella fucked up for Talon to already be courting Kongyue to replace River before the team is even eliminated. Uniboy is still a member of ahq at this point, and while I only watched a little PCS this split, I'm not familiar enough with the rest of their team to say anyone is "super team" potential enough for most of the roster to split.

Ahq could also have been fucking up behind the scenes with payments and whatnot

chipmonklord17

United States11944 Posts

October 07 2020 12:01 GMT

#244

OPL shut down and the OCE players no longer count as imports to NA, they'll still have a qualifer for MSI and Worlds 2021 so I'm super confused. Will Orgs even bother to keep teams now that there's no league? Will there even be a team of 5 good players or will NA scoop them all up?

Seems crazy the first Worlds they do well, although if you ask anyone in the league scene they'll tell you OCE is dead

DarkCore

Germany4194 Posts

October 07 2020 13:12 GMT

#245

If there is no league, there should be no qualifier. Teams that aren't in a league are essentially amateurs, nobody is paying them outside of sponsorships. Amateur teams will never be at the same level as professional teams who have stable income and thus the resources to nurture a strong lineup, and grow a business. Teams in EU Masters don't get to go to a qualifier and make it to Worlds either.

For the good OCE players, I hope they all get poached and go to NA/EU. For the other players and the fans, this fucking blows.

chipmonklord17

United States11944 Posts

October 07 2020 13:19 GMT

#246

Well the weird thing is the "OCE aren't imports" seems to apply to only LCS, Oceania is just being added to the list of places that count as native NA, in the same way that Germany/Sweden/Denmark/etc are all countries that count toward native LEC. So I don't see them going to LEC as much.

I'd personally love to see CLG just pick up the Legacy roster given how bad their 2020 roster was, but I assume no team will just transfer over, unless the league expands to fit the OCE orgs.

DarkCore

Germany4194 Posts

October 07 2020 14:10 GMT

#247

I don't think OCE players will pick EU over NA either, I just put it in because I believe all LEC teams communicate in English, so it's still an option. I imagine it's harder to get into LEC anyway because in the US you can get a visa as a pro player, haven't heard anything of the sort for the EU (probably country specific).

AdsMoFro

Japan4761 Posts

October 07 2020 14:21 GMT

#248

On October 07 2020 23:10 DarkCore wrote:
I don't think OCE players will pick EU over NA either, I just put it in because I believe all LEC teams communicate in English, so it's still an option. I imagine it's harder to get into LEC anyway because in the US you can get a visa as a pro player, haven't heard anything of the sort for the EU (probably country specific).

I believe Germany now has that so they could potentially go to the LEC.

Sucks so much for OCE. Even if our current pro players go over to NA, it's pretty much a single generation thing. OCE Soloq was already a joke but without all the top players and no reason/way to get picked up by an NA org it's basically a dead server.

The Worlds/MSI seed is going to be a laughing stock. Legit amateur level teams of high elo players that didn't make the NA cut coming together for a few weeks at MSI/Worlds times lol.

chipmonklord17

United States11944 Posts

October 07 2020 14:43 GMT

#249

They did specify it was for 2021, maybe they think by 2022 all of the good players will be in NA and they shut it down but 2021 might have the good players who couldnt come to NA because of Corona/visa will still have a team in OCE

Also there's no way in hell Riot didn't tip off the LCS owners to some capacity. I refuse to believe everyone randomly imported OCE players this year

Slusher

United States19143 Posts

October 07 2020 16:54 GMT

#250

Tbh all minor region players should be free agents for whatever major region they want to play in, can get signed in imo.

chipmonklord17

United States11944 Posts

October 19 2020 23:45 GMT

#251

After announcing the roster runback, sources say C9 is dropping Licorice for Fudge

Licorice confirms it. Honestly seems like a terrible decision but I'm far past doubting C9

Gahlo

United States35174 Posts

October 20 2020 00:45 GMT

#252

I dunno, C9's offseason is kinda sus so far.

chipmonklord17

United States11944 Posts

October 20 2020 12:21 GMT

#253

Rapidstar to military

Rumor, Armut and Elyoya to MAD over Orome and Shadow. on the one hand, these should be upgrades to both positions, on the other it seems kinda fucked up to drop the rookies over one bad worlds

DarkCore

Germany4194 Posts

October 20 2020 14:56 GMT

#254

Imo it's fair to replace Orome, he's pretty outclassed by every top laner and he's been in the scene since 2016. Shadow played his first competitive games a year later and he's only 19, plus he has had games where he pops off, I think it's worth giving him another chance.

chipmonklord17

United States11944 Posts

October 22 2020 21:43 GMT

#255

Dardoch is Dig's starting jungler for 2021

Sent.

Poland9331 Posts

October 24 2020 16:17 GMT

#256

Bjergsen retires

What the fuck, why would you retire as top 3 mid in the league lol

DarkCore

Germany4194 Posts

October 24 2020 16:53 GMT

#257

Holy shit, I would've bet on DL, but Bjerg retiring hits a lot harder.

Tbh, he's always appeared to be a level headed and respectful person with leadership qualities, great to build a team around (and also a brand). Well, those same qualities also make a good Head Coach, especially since he's bringing in a boatload of personal game knowledge.

Please let this be the only announcement this year, no Rekkles/Jankos/Perkz plzplzplz.

Slusher

United States19143 Posts

October 24 2020 16:54 GMT

#258

It sucks pretty bad that Bjergsen is retiring, but I think it sucks even more that they are hiring a head coach from within.

chipmonklord17

United States11944 Posts

October 24 2020 17:41 GMT

#259

Really curious how this change will affect the roster as a whole. There have been rumors that BB, DL and Bio are all out as well

Also apparently DoubleLift considered retiring with Bjerg when Bjerg told him he was going

Gahlo

United States35174 Posts

October 24 2020 18:41 GMT

#260

On October 25 2020 01:54 Slusher wrote:
It sucks pretty bad that Bjergsen is retiring, but I think it sucks even more that they are hiring a head coach from within.

Another casualty of Parth's terrible GMing.

I'm so confused on how I'm supposed to feel right now.