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Fildun
Netherlands4124 Posts
For example, off the top of my head I can't name something memorable that has happened on air from the last year, whereas I do remember a lot from the old IEMs. On top of that that there are a lot of good tournament structures that can be used as an alternative to the same old LCS split system. Also, I agree with the previous poster that the counterstrike majors are some of the best tournaments in esports right now, maybe only eclipsed by the International. | ||
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DarkCore
Germany4194 Posts
On a side note, iG lost to a Righteous Glory, Rylais, Liandries Ryze, is this a new build or a niche pick? | ||
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Ansibled
United Kingdom9872 Posts
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DarkCore
Germany4194 Posts
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chipmonklord17
United States11944 Posts
On March 04 2019 01:18 DarkCore wrote: iG met KT in quarterfinals just this past Worlds, and won Worlds, so your point is kind of moot. It's even more ironic because iG was the team that didn't get first, they played Fnatic in the finals and absolutely stomped, but had a really close series vs KT. Which is exactly why I think a loser's bracket is a good idea, we might've seen an Fnatic vs iG series in semis, and then iG could fight the winner in the grand finals. The point was if they do poorly in groups, iG did do poorly in groups and got matched up against a 1st place team in KT | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On March 04 2019 03:28 chipmonklord17 wrote: The point was if they do poorly in groups, iG did do poorly in groups and got matched up against a 1st place team in KT And in the end KT ended up 5-8th despite the fact they were at least a top 3 team due to a single elimination system, which is the whole point to begin with. | ||
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DarkCore
Germany4194 Posts
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AdsMoFro
Japan4761 Posts
Rumors that LMS will be shuttered in 2020. RIP to a legendary region. | ||
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chipmonklord17
United States11944 Posts
On March 09 2019 00:55 AdsMoFro wrote: https://old.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/ayfuwq/lms_rumoured_to_close_its_doors_in_2020/ Rumors that LMS will be shuttered in 2020. RIP to a legendary region. I'm not terribly surprised. It must cost a lot to run a whole league, and now that Flash Wolves are RIP there's no team good enough to hard stomp. May as well just add them back to the SEA league and hope for the best | ||
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Sent.
Poland9331 Posts
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chipmonklord17
United States11944 Posts
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oo_Wonderful_oo
The land of freedom23126 Posts
On March 04 2019 01:18 DarkCore wrote: iG met KT in quarterfinals just this past Worlds, and won Worlds, so your point is kind of moot. It's even more ironic because iG was the team that didn't get first, they played Fnatic in the finals and absolutely stomped, but had a really close series vs KT. Which is exactly why I think a loser's bracket is a good idea, we might've seen an Fnatic vs iG series in semis, and then iG could fight the winner in the grand finals. So while esports actually moved away from having too many days on big stage due to the costs, you want to have at least few extra weeks with playing on stage at Worlds? Also iG-KT was not close, even if the score indicates so, similarly to the RNG-iG final in LPL before that. On March 09 2019 05:47 chipmonklord17 wrote: idk, anyone else who will get shit on? More wildcard spots? Maybe give the region that won the previous year an extra seed or something. They could get creative with it. Or just lump LMS back with SEA and give SEA the spots, that will still probably result in the LMS team getting the spot Reunite the entire GPL, where everybody is going to benefit from it. Vietnam will finally get enough solid scrim partners, LMS will get millions in viewership, LST, well, they can give a slot to Indonesia, which is fun in itself. And Worlds is whatever, this tournament is long gone from having the best possible teams anyway, so can fill it with whoever. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
As a viewer that's never going to see it live anyway that sounds like a way more enjoyable experience anyway. Riot has merely always prioritized the "show" or "hype" surrounding travelling to different venues over the competition itself. | ||
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Torchise
Canada245 Posts
- MSI - Rift Rivals - Worlds That's it. The worst is for how little international competition we get, most of the teams that participate don't play a lot of games against each other. I think it sucks for the viewers: we don't get a good assessment of how strong teams and regions are relative to one another and your favorite team might play a handful of games then get knocked out because of a single bad game performance. For Worlds specifically, the culmination of a year's effort by the top teams from every region (and pretty much the only tournament that matters), teams only get to play 6 Bo1 games in the group stage and that decides who gets to go on the next stage. Riot decided to get rid of superweeks for the NA/EU LCS but at Worlds, the 2nd week is always a groups "superday" where each team play out 3 games (including the possibility of the 2 games in a row against another opponent) in a high-stake scenario. If you're having a bad day or didn't read the meta correctly, tough luck and see ya next year (if you make it). Also consider that there always seem to be a group of death where 3 (or more) teams are conceivably top 8 or better but only 2 out of the 4 teams in this group get to play in quarters. How is that a good representation of skill and who truly deserved to be top 8? Yet casters and fans use the results of the event to hype up or mock teams for their placements at Worlds. Consider the amount of team match-ups played as well. If you got eliminated at group stage, you only ever got to play 3 other teams. Even if you get to finals, you will only have played 6 other teams in the entirety of the tournament. Compare that to Dota 2's TI. In group stage, each team gets to play against 8 other teams for 16 games total (in Bo2 format). And they manage to do all of that in 4 days! Then they also get a double-elimination format for the main event where 1st and 5th seed get to choose their opponents in upper/lower bracket respectively. In LoL, you've often seen 1st seed teams be sad because their "reward" for doing well in group might be to face a tough opponent that was 2nd seed instead of a weaker team that got 1st seed, all that due to draw RNG and Bo1 variance. I assume Riot wants to have a lot of "suspense" with high stakes game and upset potential with limited Bo1s, which creates story lines and discussion/engagement on social media? They could definitely squeeze in a lot more games per day (look at Dota's TI) but I guess they also want to maximize stream viewership numbers by concentrating a small number of games over a longer period of time? Either way, Riot Games is very stubborn with their Worlds tournament format and not willing to experiment since 2014. On March 09 2019 07:09 Numy wrote: As a viewer that's never going to see it live anyway that sounds like a way more enjoyable experience anyway. The venues Riot book for the group stage have been notoriously small, seating only a few thousand people. So I think you'd have to be pretty lucky to even get the chance to buy a ticket and attend the group stage games before they get sold out or nabbed by scalpers. | ||
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Sent.
Poland9331 Posts
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loSleb
Austria1389 Posts
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AdsMoFro
Japan4761 Posts
On March 13 2019 06:24 loSleb wrote: But I want to. Then watch Dota in china when they ban all the non-chinese from playing ;P | ||
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starkiller123
United States4030 Posts
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oo_Wonderful_oo
The land of freedom23126 Posts
On March 09 2019 07:09 Numy wrote: Worlds is exceedingly long for a single elim tournament. They could definitely make a double elim in the same time. It's just they choose to do this world hopping around. So I really disagree with the notion that making it double elim would make it more costly. If they just focused on one venue and did double elim it could cost less than what they have been doing. As a viewer that's never going to see it live anyway that sounds like a way more enjoyable experience anyway. Riot has merely always prioritized the "show" or "hype" surrounding travelling to different venues over the competition itself. It's long not because of single elimination or double elimination. It's because there is that idea in League of Legends esports, that teams are actually supposed to prepare for each other, so you can't have them play best of fives multiple days in a row. So you have to play thirteen best of fives and you can not play more than two per day, because of the time. Even if there are 2-3 days between the series, like in the regional gauntlets, that makes it a 2-3 week long playoffs, and it is no different from the current one. Also if you're using double elimination for top-8, big wildcards will run and ask why are they not having the same format for the play-in as well, which is going to make the event even longer. Worlds is far from perfect, but, honestly, Mid-Season Invitational being a three weeks long event is far more infuriating than the only big annual international event lasting 19 days in different cities. One more thing about the costs: if you're going to host the event in one place, that's supposed to be the big one, right, like, let's say, Paris, Los Angeles or Shanghai. Riot are the ones paying for all the players expenses, accomodation, etc. Surely not more expensive in addition to using a big venue for a month? On March 13 2019 02:47 Torchise wrote: I assume Riot wants to have a lot of "suspense" with high stakes game and upset potential with limited Bo1s, which creates story lines and discussion/engagement on social media? They could definitely squeeze in a lot more games per day (look at Dota's TI) but I guess they also want to maximize stream viewership numbers by concentrating a small number of games over a longer period of time? Either way, Riot Games is very stubborn with their Worlds tournament format and not willing to experiment since 2014. No, they can't squeeze in a lot more games per day, and there is no reason to use The International as an example. Look at the last TI's maps per day during the main event - 8/8/10 (with that game day ending later than midnight, which is unacceptable), 7, 7, 7 - this is exactly two bo5s per day. Let alone the fact, that they have actually started the days in the morning, while Riot events never start before noon, which is serviceable for the players and crowd plus gives the broadcasting crew enough time to actually prepare for the upcoming on-air. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
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