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starkiller123
Profile Joined January 2016
United States4030 Posts
September 27 2019 03:58 GMT
#181
pretty cool to see EG in, fun memories of Idra and HuK from early sc2 days. I prefer all of the new orgs over the ones they are replacing lol
DarkCore
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany4194 Posts
September 27 2019 09:13 GMT
#182
Old esport brands with history seem to be more interesting than teams with sponsors getting in solely for advertising purposes. Even if its all about money, the people running the former teams seem to have more personal vested interests, fewer shady investors.
Fixed a bug where LeBlanc could lose
AdsMoFro
Profile Joined January 2015
Japan4761 Posts
September 27 2019 16:14 GMT
#183
On September 27 2019 18:13 DarkCore wrote:
Old esport brands with history seem to be more interesting than teams with sponsors getting in solely for advertising purposes. Even if its all about money, the people running the former teams seem to have more personal vested interests, fewer shady investors.



Ehhhhh...there have been some shady fucking investors. In fact, the EG brand itself is far from clean. That said, I don't even know how many people from the OG EG are even around in this anymore. It might just be similar to Dignitas. Keep the old brand for fans and recognition but entirely new back office.
Que Sera Sera
AdsMoFro
Profile Joined January 2015
Japan4761 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-09-28 19:51:25
September 28 2019 19:41 GMT
#184


Pawn Retires due to mental health problems
Que Sera Sera
chipmonklord17
Profile Joined February 2011
United States11944 Posts
October 01 2019 01:49 GMT
#185


Trick gone from S04
chipmonklord17
Profile Joined February 2011
United States11944 Posts
October 14 2019 23:13 GMT
#186
https://dotesports.com/league-of-legends/news/bjergsen-re-signs-with-tsm-for-2-years

Bjerg now part owner of TSM, which I think is a recipe for disaster and will only fuel the "conspiracy theories" that he forces his junglers to do what he wants. I think its a terrible idea to make a single player a part owner without the other 4
evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8939 Posts
October 15 2019 04:00 GMT
#187
part ownership is most likely only because the organisation cant afford to pay his salary in cash. a small stake in the company isnt going to give bjergsen rights over his teammates. even if he did hypothetically have the right to manage the team as he saw fit hed be an idiot to abuse that power
chipmonklord17
Profile Joined February 2011
United States11944 Posts
October 15 2019 23:04 GMT
#188
Its not about whether it does or doesn't give him the right (although it sounds like he's always had say) or he does or doesn't abuse power, it creates a really shit team dynamic. One player shouldn't be explicitly above the rest in a team.
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
October 15 2019 23:06 GMT
#189
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Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
October 15 2019 23:13 GMT
#190
Let's be real. If you joined TSM and Bjergsen was on the team, you already knew you were a tier below him in the pecking order regardless of this contract or not.
chipmonklord17
Profile Joined February 2011
United States11944 Posts
October 16 2019 00:13 GMT
#191
I agree with that, but I think that implicitly being above the team and explicitly being above the team are two different beasts. Not like you could convince me TSM had a good environment before, but I think making one player explicitly more important than the rest is a recipe for disaster.
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
October 16 2019 02:20 GMT
#192
I’m with ghalo it’s purely semantics compared to say last year
Carrilord has arrived.
evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8939 Posts
October 16 2019 05:10 GMT
#193
On October 16 2019 09:13 chipmonklord17 wrote:
I agree with that, but I think that implicitly being above the team and explicitly being above the team are two different beasts. Not like you could convince me TSM had a good environment before, but I think making one player explicitly more important than the rest is a recipe for disaster.

one player being more invested in a team is not the same as one player being more important in the team. bjergsen is both but they are mutually exclusive of each other. he could be let go of the team and hed still hold his stake so theres no difference.
AdsMoFro
Profile Joined January 2015
Japan4761 Posts
October 16 2019 06:26 GMT
#194
On October 16 2019 14:10 evilfatsh1t wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2019 09:13 chipmonklord17 wrote:
I agree with that, but I think that implicitly being above the team and explicitly being above the team are two different beasts. Not like you could convince me TSM had a good environment before, but I think making one player explicitly more important than the rest is a recipe for disaster.

one player being more invested in a team is not the same as one player being more important in the team. bjergsen is both but they are mutually exclusive of each other. he could be let go of the team and hed still hold his stake so theres no difference.


That's the interesting part. What happens if 100T buy Bjerg. Does he have to sell his stake in the team?
Que Sera Sera
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
October 16 2019 10:34 GMT
#195
On October 16 2019 15:26 AdsMoFro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2019 14:10 evilfatsh1t wrote:
On October 16 2019 09:13 chipmonklord17 wrote:
I agree with that, but I think that implicitly being above the team and explicitly being above the team are two different beasts. Not like you could convince me TSM had a good environment before, but I think making one player explicitly more important than the rest is a recipe for disaster.

one player being more invested in a team is not the same as one player being more important in the team. bjergsen is both but they are mutually exclusive of each other. he could be let go of the team and hed still hold his stake so theres no difference.


That's the interesting part. What happens if 100T buy Bjerg. Does he have to sell his stake in the team?

a) TSM would have to agree to it.

b) Bjerg would have to sell his shares.
Yorbon
Profile Joined December 2011
Netherlands4272 Posts
October 16 2019 17:09 GMT
#196
It's naive to a priori think it doesn't make any difference at all, but the effect on the team will depend mostly on other things, like culture or incentive (dividend?). From my experience in a (completely) different sector at one of the big four, the difference between an equity partner and a salary partner (partner with or without ownership) is huge in terms of dominance in internal discussions. Dependent on the exact agreement with Bjerg, the difference may be big or small, and the result be good or bad.

It's also simply a way of binding him in another way than via his player contract, making it more likely he stays while playing or after quitting. Maybe Regi (presumably current sole owner?) is making it easier for himself to quit in a few years, that's also a possibility.

The way the original article is written, it suggests a lot of change to me.
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
October 16 2019 17:51 GMT
#197
I’m saying with regards to team atmosphere it’s been obvious you have to answer to Bjerg as a player on tam for like 4 years now
Carrilord has arrived.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
October 16 2019 18:58 GMT
#198
On October 17 2019 02:09 Yorbon wrote:
It's naive to a priori think it doesn't make any difference at all, but the effect on the team will depend mostly on other things, like culture or incentive (dividend?). From my experience in a (completely) different sector at one of the big four, the difference between an equity partner and a salary partner (partner with or without ownership) is huge in terms of dominance in internal discussions. Dependent on the exact agreement with Bjerg, the difference may be big or small, and the result be good or bad.

It's also simply a way of binding him in another way than via his player contract, making it more likely he stays while playing or after quitting. Maybe Regi (presumably current sole owner?) is making it easier for himself to quit in a few years, that's also a possibility.

The way the original article is written, it suggests a lot of change to me.

Last I heard Regi had to sell some of the company for fundraising, but remains the only person that is still a majority owner of their team.
Yorbon
Profile Joined December 2011
Netherlands4272 Posts
October 16 2019 19:56 GMT
#199
On October 17 2019 03:58 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2019 02:09 Yorbon wrote:
It's naive to a priori think it doesn't make any difference at all, but the effect on the team will depend mostly on other things, like culture or incentive (dividend?). From my experience in a (completely) different sector at one of the big four, the difference between an equity partner and a salary partner (partner with or without ownership) is huge in terms of dominance in internal discussions. Dependent on the exact agreement with Bjerg, the difference may be big or small, and the result be good or bad.

It's also simply a way of binding him in another way than via his player contract, making it more likely he stays while playing or after quitting. Maybe Regi (presumably current sole owner?) is making it easier for himself to quit in a few years, that's also a possibility.

The way the original article is written, it suggests a lot of change to me.

Last I heard Regi had to sell some of the company for fundraising, but remains the only person that is still a majority owner of their team.
Ah, I didn't know that, thanks!
Turbovolver
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Australia2454 Posts
October 18 2019 05:16 GMT
#200
Where are we talking about the stuff with Griffin? I don't know what sites are actually reputable or not (eSports journalism lol) but I have seen stuff suggesting Riot is now investigating Griffin management, one site said they've already let Manager Cho go after what cvMax said but the site seemed dodgy.

It seems like it might have been announced by Riot Korea but I couldn't find any official Riot statement on it in English (maybe because of timezones? But I didn't look suuuuper hard)
The original Bogus fan.
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