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[Patch 8.22] Season 9 Waiting Room Discussion

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AdsMoFro
Profile Joined January 2015
Japan4761 Posts
November 06 2018 22:43 GMT
#1
Welcome to this patch's General Discussion thread for the League of Legends subforum. This thread is for discussion around League of Legends. Free feel to talk about anything LoL related here that does not already have its own thread.

Non-League of Legends discussion should go in the LiquidLegends Lounge.

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  • "Elo hell"
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Additionally, the TL LoL Ten Commandments are available for you to reference if you have any questions about this subforum.

Use the LoL Strategy subforum if you have game or champion specific questions. Lastly, confine QQing and bragging to their respective threads.


Patch 8.22: Live on Nov. 7, 2018

+ Show Spoiler [Previous GD Threads & Patch Notes] +

Patch 8.21 K/DA Skin Release General Discussion
Patch 8.20 Ezreal Mini-Rework General Discussion
Patch 8.19 Worlds Patch General Discussion
[url=https://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/537214-patch-818-odyssey-extraction-general-discussion]Patch 8.18 Odyssey Extraction General Discussion
[url=https://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/536827-patch-817-nunu-and-willump-rework-discussion#20]Patch 8.17 Nunu & Willump Rework General Discussion[/url]
[url=https://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/536455-patch-816-nerfzoe-general-discussion?page=3#58]Patch 8.16 Nerf.Zoe. General Discussion[/url]
[url=https://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/536003-patch-815-akali-rework-general-discussion]Patch 8.15 Akali Rework General Discussion
[/url][url=https://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/535596-patch-814-ssg-worlds-skin-release-discussion]Patch 8.14 SSG Worlds Skin Release General Discussion[/url]
[url=https://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/534918-patch-813-aatrox-rework-general-discussion]Patch 8.13 Aatrox Rework General Discussion[/url]
[url=https://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/534401-patch-812-shield-champ-nerfs-general-discussion]Patch 8.12 Shield Champ Nerfs General Discussion[/url]
[url=https://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/533993-patch-811-pyke-general-discussion]Patch 8.11 Pyke General Discussion[/url]
[url=https://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/533619-patch-810-jungle-changes-v-scuttle-king]Patch 8.10 Jungle Changes Discussion[/url]
[url=https://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/533343-patch-89-mage-items-adjustments-discussion]Patch 8.9 Mage Item Adjustments
[/url][url=https://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/533033-patch-88-leblanc-revert-general-discussion]Patch 8.8 Leblanc General Discussion[/url]
[url=https://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/532652-patch-87-irelia-rework-discussion#1]Patch 8.7 Irelia Rework General Discussion[/url]
[url=http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/532284-patch-86-duskblade-general-discussion]Patch 8.6 Duskblade General Discussion[/url]
[url=http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/531885-patch-85-kaisa-release-general-discussion]Patch 8.5 Kai'Sa Release General Discussion[/url]
[url=http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/531416-patch-84-ap-items-general-discussion]Patch 8.4 AP Items General Discussion[/url]
[url=http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/530933-patch-83-swain-remake-general-discussion]Patch 8.3 Swain Remake General Discussion[/url]
[url=http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/530423-patch-82-rip-malzahar-general-discussion]Patch 8.2 RIP Malzahar General Discussion[/url]
[url=http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/529992-patch-81-welcome-to-season-8-general-discussion]Patch 8.1 Welcome to Season 8 General Discussion[/url]
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Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
November 07 2018 01:39 GMT
#2
Think it's funny how they made a big deal about new runes, which were largely just new masteries and trashed rune altogether, not to soft re-add runes a year later.

Not gonna complain about that scaling CDR though.
Jek
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark2771 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-11-07 02:53:19
November 07 2018 02:02 GMT
#3
Thank God Corrupting/Tonic has been gutted, the amount of sustain was redic. Those Pyke changes look so odd.

EDIT: Froggen is currently beating an Irelia with Anivia while playing with left hand on mouse and left keyboard. On his main. It's glorious. lol
It's Elo not ELO - Every statiscian playing League
AdsMoFro
Profile Joined January 2015
Japan4761 Posts
November 07 2018 13:50 GMT
#4
So, the best version of the Victorious Ori skin is the one for Gold+ in 3 ranked queues and OCE has Ranked 3s only open at certain times which i can't really play at zz. Why wouldn't they make it open 24/7 for the last two weeks...
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chipmonklord17
Profile Joined February 2011
United States11944 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-11-07 14:57:08
November 07 2018 14:53 GMT
#5
So tank Pyke will always be the better option because of his utility right? Like his kit will always make it worth going tank no?

EDIT: MAYBE the changes make him an assassin jungler instead of a support if the numbers favor lethality heavily, but I don't see tank Pyke support ever not being the best option for support Pyke
Jek
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark2771 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-11-07 16:02:07
November 07 2018 16:01 GMT
#6
On November 07 2018 23:53 chipmonklord17 wrote:
So tank Pyke will always be the better option because of his utility right? Like his kit will always make it worth going tank no?

EDIT: MAYBE the changes make him an assassin jungler instead of a support if the numbers favor lethality heavily, but I don't see tank Pyke support ever not being the best option for support Pyke

I could see lethality support Pyke work if (big if) you have a super heavy dive comp, so he can enter the fight later sort of like how Katarina wants to skirt around. The biggest issue with non-tank Pyke is that the tanky support items are honestly just too cost efficient to not get on the melee supports imo.

Lethality Pyke+Draven would be such a much fun botlane I hope the changes make non-tank Pyke work.
It's Elo not ELO - Every statiscian playing League
AdsMoFro
Profile Joined January 2015
Japan4761 Posts
November 07 2018 16:01 GMT
#7
On November 07 2018 23:53 chipmonklord17 wrote:
So tank Pyke will always be the better option because of his utility right? Like his kit will always make it worth going tank no?

EDIT: MAYBE the changes make him an assassin jungler instead of a support if the numbers favor lethality heavily, but I don't see tank Pyke support ever not being the best option for support Pyke


Phreak did the math on the changes if you're interested. For me, jungler pyke will never work and if by some miracle it does, Riot will instanerf it.
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Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
November 07 2018 16:05 GMT
#8
Yea they seem really adamant that Pyke must support. It's a shame. If the design team changes at any point they may open up Pyke more.
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
November 07 2018 22:19 GMT
#9
These Nunu changes don’t address his problem at all which is that they shifted so much of his power into a meme ability. For the first time I can remember an ability (e) was both converted to a skill shot and made weaker with reduced range and significantly more conditional utility. His best late game ability was gutted to make it weak enough to be a passive and his passive which was probably fine to get rid of for the most part does remove his huge lvl 6 power spike.

Outside of him getting significantly over buffed I can’t see a reason to pick him ever, Ivern does his old job better and Nautilus does his new job better(cc bot?)

Legit the only thing I can think of is full ap biggest snowball ever YouTube videos.
Carrilord has arrived.
AdsMoFro
Profile Joined January 2015
Japan4761 Posts
November 07 2018 22:58 GMT
#10
On November 08 2018 07:19 Slusher wrote:
These Nunu changes don’t address his problem at all which is that they shifted so much of his power into a meme ability. For the first time I can remember an ability (e) was both converted to a skill shot and made weaker with reduced range and significantly more conditional utility. His best late game ability was gutted to make it weak enough to be a passive and his passive which was probably fine to get rid of for the most part does remove his huge lvl 6 power spike.

Outside of him getting significantly over buffed I can’t see a reason to pick him ever, Ivern does his old job better and Nautilus does his new job better(cc bot?)

Legit the only thing I can think of is full ap biggest snowball ever YouTube videos.


Yup, his design is interesting as a concept but its pretty irrelevant to high levels of play. Before Nunu was stronger the higher you go because of a better understanding of jungle pathing and counter jungling but now he seems like a champ that does better against idiots that let you get your full combo on them.
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Jek
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark2771 Posts
November 07 2018 23:46 GMT
#11
Nunu is going to end up as a S-tier toplaner, mark my words.
It's Elo not ELO - Every statiscian playing League
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-11-08 00:09:33
November 08 2018 00:09 GMT
#12
If the make the initial w stun (not charged) and damage relevant so you can use it kinda like sion ult he could see some play. But even then sion is just better unless he gets gutted.
Carrilord has arrived.
AdsMoFro
Profile Joined January 2015
Japan4761 Posts
November 08 2018 02:20 GMT
#13
Imagine a comp of Sion, Nunu, AO Sol, MF, Brand tho. WOMBOOOO
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Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
November 08 2018 08:03 GMT
#14
On November 08 2018 11:20 AdsMoFro wrote:
Imagine a comp of Sion, Nunu, AO Sol, MF, Brand tho. WOMBOOOO

I think Brand gets left behind here. 4/5 of them have boosted movespeed to go in, and then brand just waddles his way in, probably a bit late.

Obvious solution is righteous glory brand of course.

I actually don't know what other pick would work there tbh if you just wanted a comp to go ham.
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AdsMoFro
Profile Joined January 2015
Japan4761 Posts
November 08 2018 09:09 GMT
#15
On November 08 2018 17:03 Amui wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2018 11:20 AdsMoFro wrote:
Imagine a comp of Sion, Nunu, AO Sol, MF, Brand tho. WOMBOOOO

I think Brand gets left behind here. 4/5 of them have boosted movespeed to go in, and then brand just waddles his way in, probably a bit late.

Obvious solution is righteous glory brand of course.

I actually don't know what other pick would work there tbh if you just wanted a comp to go ham.


Could swap MF for Sivir to help brand and friends get in.
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Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
November 08 2018 12:36 GMT
#16
On November 08 2018 17:03 Amui wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2018 11:20 AdsMoFro wrote:
Imagine a comp of Sion, Nunu, AO Sol, MF, Brand tho. WOMBOOOO

I think Brand gets left behind here. 4/5 of them have boosted movespeed to go in, and then brand just waddles his way in, probably a bit late.

Obvious solution is righteous glory brand of course.

I actually don't know what other pick would work there tbh if you just wanted a comp to go ham.

Or Shurelya's, since it'd fit better into Brand's itemization.
Ansibled
Profile Joined November 2014
United Kingdom9872 Posts
November 08 2018 13:02 GMT
#17
Give preseason already
'StarCraft is just a fairy tale told to scare children actually.'
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Jek
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark2771 Posts
November 08 2018 19:44 GMT
#18
On November 08 2018 18:09 AdsMoFro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2018 17:03 Amui wrote:
On November 08 2018 11:20 AdsMoFro wrote:
Imagine a comp of Sion, Nunu, AO Sol, MF, Brand tho. WOMBOOOO

I think Brand gets left behind here. 4/5 of them have boosted movespeed to go in, and then brand just waddles his way in, probably a bit late.

Obvious solution is righteous glory brand of course.

I actually don't know what other pick would work there tbh if you just wanted a comp to go ham.


Could swap MF for Sivir to help brand and friends get in.

Swap Brand for Kled too. Gotta go fast, gotta go FAST.
It's Elo not ELO - Every statiscian playing League
Sponkz
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark4564 Posts
November 10 2018 15:22 GMT
#19
Hope it's ok i ask here. What's best for Poppy, Tri-force or Black Cleaver? I like getting just 1 damage item to feel important, but i can't really decide which is the best.
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Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-11-10 15:28:20
November 10 2018 15:25 GMT
#20


On November 11 2018 00:22 Sponkz wrote:
Hope it's ok i ask here. What's best for Poppy, Tri-force or Black Cleaver? I like getting just 1 damage item to feel important, but i can't really decide which is the best.

u.gg and op.gg are both saying sunfire => Iceborne. So I guess if you're ahead enough to greed on some damage Iceborne. If you're suuuper far ahead, Triforce.
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