EPTI think it's partially your build order too. You gain a ton of health from your ultimate turning cloth armor into either Chain vest or Warden's mail would have been extremely cost efficient. Cleaver's armor shred isn't that strong vs champions that dont/havent build armor, so it's perfectly alright to delay it in such cases.
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Jek
Denmark2771 Posts
I think it's partially your build order too. You gain a ton of health from your ultimate turning cloth armor into either Chain vest or Warden's mail would have been extremely cost efficient. Cleaver's armor shred isn't that strong vs champions that dont/havent build armor, so it's perfectly alright to delay it in such cases. | ||
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VayneAuthority
United States8983 Posts
All you need to do is riposte one stun post 6 and the lane is over in a standard tp vs tp renek building cleaver lane. Then it snowballs really hard and you need to bring 2 to stop fiora. Personally my favorite pick into fiora is malphite, there is zero skill expression you just win the lane after sunfire/tabis as long as you know to do absolutely nothing before that and sit at tower. Its a long time before fiora regains the upper hand so you have a huge window if you are skeptical of wutt tank vs fiora!?!?? http://champion.gg/champion/Fiora/Top 2nd worst matchup, has been for many patches. If you want the easy dumpster lane its pantheon, but way more susceptible to jungler making that a nightmare fast | ||
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Sent.
Poland9331 Posts
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General_Winter
United States719 Posts
For myself, I wasn't a huge fan. The gameplay was basically the same as ordinary LOL. In general between trades rerollls and dodges you didn't get non standard team structures, just lower power champs. So we don't get duo bruiser bot lanes, we get botlanes with kindred malphite instead of Ashe Nami. I did get some games with a duo top and no jungle, but that was pretty rare. Usually both teams had someone who could jungle well enouph with a decent leash on first buff. Overall gameplay was much the same. Skill expression felt lower. The kindred malphite lane just doesn't actually beat the Sivir Morgana lane. The 'will it jungle' trynd doesn't put out the same pressure as lee sin. To a large extent the better champions won. I'm happy to trade skill expression for variety of gameplay (ARAM) but when it doesn't get me varied gameplay I'm giving up control for no gain. Longer queue times. Listed queue times were shorter, but I usually saw 2-3 games dodged for each one that fired so I'd say it took longer to get into game. Overall I'd call it a miss. What did you guys think? | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
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Sent.
Poland9331 Posts
I don't think you can fix that by messing with the gold distrubution mechanics or exp rates. If the mode is on summoners rift it has to be extremely altered like blood moon, black market brawlers or nexus siege modes. | ||
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lilwisper
United States2515 Posts
On April 12 2017 01:12 Sent. wrote: It's a failure because most people have the basics of summoners rift engraved in their minds. My friend who recently hit level 30 likes it but I just can't enjoy it. It's like a worse blind pick and I hate blind picks already. I don't think you can fix that by messing with the gold distrubution mechanics or exp rates. If the mode is on summoners rift it has to be extremely altered like blood moon, black market brawlers or nexus siege modes. Blood Moon mode was extremely fun. Having a mode where you could only select from a pool of champ types (ie: tanks only, adc only) would be very fun. | ||
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dsyxelic
United States1417 Posts
On April 11 2017 22:28 Jek wrote: Fiora will eventually destroy Renekton. She's one of those champions where killing her once or twice will shut her down if she still gets to farm, on a champion that doesn't scale anywhere near as hard you need to completely hammer her down into the ground early. I think it's partially your build order too. You gain a ton of health from your ultimate turning cloth armor into either Chain vest or Warden's mail would have been extremely cost efficient. Cleaver's armor shred isn't that strong vs champions that dont/havent build armor, so it's perfectly alright to delay it in such cases. well thats unfortunate. I didn't know it was that bad lol. thought 1k gold would be enough especially when she misplays  isn't cleaver like almost broken though? if I went chainvest I would've just sat on kindlegem phage which kinda feels bad.. the insta armor shred (empowered w) was too tempting too also she didnt have cleaver completed and she had no armor compared to me having like 50+armor on her already so thought that'd be better On April 11 2017 22:37 VayneAuthority wrote: most challenger fioras I see win that matchup almost everytime when its standard. You need to build like romanium and take ignite. All you need to do is riposte one stun post 6 and the lane is over in a standard tp vs tp renek building cleaver lane. Then it snowballs really hard and you need to bring 2 to stop fiora. Personally my favorite pick into fiora is malphite, there is zero skill expression you just win the lane after sunfire/tabis as long as you know to do absolutely nothing before that and sit at tower. Its a long time before fiora regains the upper hand so you have a huge window if you are skeptical of wutt tank vs fiora!?!?? http://champion.gg/champion/Fiora/Top 2nd worst matchup, has been for many patches. If you want the easy dumpster lane its pantheon, but way more susceptible to jungler making that a nightmare fast damn looks like I dont want to play this matchup then. hate going no tp. yeah I normally dont pick renek into fiora, it was a blind pick anyways and I just wanted to get some games on renekton vs anyone. vs fiora i've generally done something like poppy, trundle, darius which aren't amazing matchups but pretty playable and generally win early and still easily be useful later yeah malphites a pretty good matchup, it only gets bad after like 3 items iirc if things are even laning is easy peasy. | ||
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Nemireck
Canada1875 Posts
After trades and re-rolls, the mode felt just like an even more casual blind, with more off-meta, but still workable, lanes. | ||
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General_Winter
United States719 Posts
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
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M2
Bulgaria4186 Posts
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General_Winter
United States719 Posts
On April 13 2017 10:55 Gahlo wrote: There isn't a rule, but I like to go 24 hours. Alright. So how out that blitzcrank in the MVP vs KT game 2? That champ did a ton of work. It was pretty much was the source of their early lead, probably made most of their picks, won all the fights they won, and usually led to a kill or two in the fights they lost making the lost fight less bad. Probably one of the higher impact non zyra support picks I've seen in a while. | ||
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VayneAuthority
United States8983 Posts
He does change the way the entire game is played, similar to eve. but blitz does not fall off like eve does, rather he gets pretty strong mid/late once he gets some bulk to him as hes pretty tanky and disruptive. very surprised he would work in a pro game though, Seems like something thats way easier to deal with in a coordinated team with low ping. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On April 14 2017 01:55 VayneAuthority wrote: well despite the nerfs he still sports a 53% with a pretty high pickrate, despite having a kit that does benefit in your adc in any way, and often being picked by autofilled supports. Pretty impressive really. He does change the way the entire game is played, similar to eve. but blitz does not fall off like eve does, rather he gets pretty strong mid/late once he gets some bulk to him as hes pretty tanky and disruptive. very surprised he would work in a pro game though, Seems like something thats way easier to deal with in a coordinated team with low ping. I disagree. IMO the way you " deal" with blitz is by always be winning the game (because he is a terrible laner). The whole game is just a version of the lane where you always push push push minions so you have a buffer, and you do that with minions and wards late game. | ||
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Sent.
Poland9331 Posts
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
On April 14 2017 04:36 Sent. wrote: Blitz is amazing into autofilled bot laners, much easier to punish them on blitz than on something like nami or thresh. This can inflate his winrate a bit. Depends on what you mean by inflated. His solo queue winrate is not inflated, it just reflects the fact that solo queue bot lanes often suck. But they DO suck, and a champ that is good at punishing mistakes is one of the main ways a champ is just straight-up good. If anything his solo queue winrate is deflated, because like VA says he's the go-to pick for most autofilled supports. | ||
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Sent.
Poland9331 Posts
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General_Winter
United States719 Posts
On April 14 2017 04:36 Sent. wrote: Blitz is amazing into autofilled bot laners, much easier to punish them on blitz than on something like nami or thresh. This can inflate his winrate a bit. Yeah, but beating up on bad lanes can't be all of it. MVP picked him into KT. KT not lane is not autofilled; it's at least one of the best, some would say the best, bot lane in the world. And blitz did good work in the match up. | ||
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