it annoys me that you can't even pink ward them anymore. i feel like if pink wards were too good against them then the problem is the stealth mechanic more than the pink wards

dsyxelic

United States1417 Posts

April 07 2017 00:48 GMT

#42

On April 07 2017 03:26 Frolossus wrote:
it annoys me that you can't even pink ward them anymore. i feel like if pink wards were too good against them then the problem is the stealth mechanic more than the pink wards

lol yeah

if you balance a champion around a short duration stealth to the point that a team spending 75 gold (with potential on more with multiple people dropping pinks/an already placed pink disappearing) on 1 cast is too good theres an issue

definitely think stealth is something riot went the wrong way with this season

Amui

Canada10567 Posts

April 07 2017 02:39 GMT

#43

I mean what would happen if pinks detected stealth within a very short radius (300 range?). That way you could close off some flanks to stealth if you wanted to, and give yourself a small window of counterplay.

cLutZ

United States19574 Posts

April 07 2017 03:30 GMT

#44

Nah, stealth champs should just have 100% stealth reliability and be balanced around the stealth user using it perfectly. Solves all the problems with 1 stone (except stealth champ lovers being sad).

Sent.

Poland9331 Posts

April 10 2017 11:23 GMT

#45

Is Botrk op? Are lethalitly adcs donezo?

VayneAuthority

United States8983 Posts

April 10 2017 13:29 GMT

#46

yes and yes.

lucian 53% winrate with 40% pickrate.

Twitch highest winrate again.

Botrk is clearly too strong

Bulgaria4186 Posts

April 10 2017 16:08 GMT

#47

botrk is so strong that even vayne was picked in playoffs pro play yesterday

) What I cannot really understand is whats the purpose of Bloodthurster in league

JonnyLaw

United States3482 Posts

April 10 2017 19:16 GMT

#48

If the shield was better maybe BT could play a role.

Nemireck

Canada1875 Posts

April 10 2017 20:39 GMT

#49

BotrK is amazing.

Makes my off-meta ADC Lulu strong again like she was in season 5.

Playing an "ADC" that can 1v1 Yasuo makes me a happy player.

nafta

Bulgaria18893 Posts

April 10 2017 21:15 GMT

#50

On April 10 2017 22:29 VayneAuthority wrote:
yes and yes.

lucian 53% winrate with 40% pickrate.

Twitch highest winrate again.

Botrk is clearly too strong

People are literally going bork on draven first. I don't think any other evidence is needed.

Sent.

Poland9331 Posts

April 10 2017 21:25 GMT

#51

I saw Graves and Caitlyn build it once on stream (maybe even in a pro game, don't remember which region though). My solo q games have a lot of botrk junglers, especialy Xins.

Ansibled

United Kingdom9872 Posts

April 10 2017 22:56 GMT

#52

I like botrk being broken, it's more fun than when other adc items are broken.

cLutZ

United States19574 Posts

April 10 2017 23:15 GMT

#53

Nah. BOTRK is too generalist to be fun, and there are so many flavorful AS items that it makes any Hybrid AS/AD item unfun. ADC is most fun when the AD has to suffer to build IE first, then suffer to get zeal, then suffer to finish his zeal thingy, then when he finishes the next item everyone else suffers.

dsyxelic

United States1417 Posts

April 10 2017 23:31 GMT

#54

If I had to choose I liked it better when BT was op and every adc just rushed it

VayneAuthority

United States8983 Posts

April 11 2017 00:07 GMT

#55

that was a long time ago because thats when I used to actually play adc.

Twitch build was literally BT --> statikk -> last whisper

made zero sense but you just stacked the cream of the crop items with no synergy.

Slusher

United States19143 Posts

April 11 2017 00:56 GMT

#56

I like OP bork, it's really not that different than Morello

IamPryda

United States1186 Posts

April 11 2017 03:14 GMT

#57

can someone plz explain to me why I am the only renekton player who loses to yasuo consistently. I just don't understand how a matchup that is supposed to be in my favor never goes that way i can never out trade him he always hammers me with what look like phantom autos and q stacks from 300 range away. i rock a bad yasuo all day but one that actually knows how to play him and use his passive and zone with q i just get murdered

VayneAuthority

United States8983 Posts

April 11 2017 05:08 GMT

#58

do you have high MS? Any yasuo matchup is considerably harder on both sides if one is playing with a bigger delay. Super easy for players with low ping to dodge his q animation, but not for high ping players which is the difference in that matchup.

otherwise its pretty straightforward, auto to get rid of shield, perform combo, E out and then sit back until cooldowns are up again and repeat.

dsyxelic

United States1417 Posts

April 11 2017 05:25 GMT

#59

how about renek fiora?
tried some renek today and the matchup seemed stupid

I did well up till like 1 item. got some kills from ganks and generally had lane advantage. lost a kill off gank too

but then as soon as she hit ravenous hydra I could not do a thing?

It was like hydra doran'sblade phage boots vs cleaver doran's blade clotharmor ninjatabi tiamat

I was unable to duel her even if she missed riposte and didn't proc all vitals from ult. even if I hit my empowered w (am I supposed to empower q?). when she hit her 2 items (cleaver hydra) she was able to now tower dive me with 1 level advantage and even kills even cs. granted she had double buff but still thought that was retarded she was able to tower dive me at that point with missing riposte and not getting all vitals once again.

does renek really fall off that hard vs fiora post 6? she felt unduelable at like level 8+ and I was ahead in items by at least 1k gold and even everything else.
like I knew it'd get hard once she had cleaver hydra but not before that. especially when I was a bit ahead. cleaver/hydra meant she could tower dive.