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Patch 7.6: Live on Mar. 22nd, 2017

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Gahlo

United States35174 Posts

March 21 2017 18:38 GMT

League of Quinn baby.

JimmiC

Canada22817 Posts

March 21 2017 18:42 GMT

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Slusher

United States19143 Posts

March 21 2017 19:11 GMT

Well I mean I keep seeing people build ap when the original "buff" was a nerf to ap builds. I don't think he's amazing but i think this probably hurts his win rate compared to if he was only played as a 1 damage item max tank

Bulgaria4186 Posts

March 21 2017 19:38 GMT

They did something to Cho's silence (w i think) at some point and made it really unreliable and this is what killed cho and now they're trying to compensate on a completely unnecessary to be changed ability and normally it does not really work.

Slusher

United States19143 Posts

March 21 2017 20:04 GMT

Yea it got nerfed a while back but I'm saying his playrate recently increased based on changes that were actually a further nerf to ap builds. The fact that people aren't exclusively playing him tank or roa + tank is exasterbating his lack of current strength.
(Specifically in response to his winrate being cited)

Bulgaria4186 Posts

March 21 2017 20:18 GMT

People probably think he has integrated tankiness so i can freely build damage and be a tank and a damage dealer simultaneously

cLutZ

United States19574 Posts

March 21 2017 20:20 GMT

He's not a great tank though, so full-tank Cho builds are not good. Full tank Cho is basically Singed without map pressure. He is a decent anti-assassin with silence>knockup>ult, but IMO to justify that being his role he needs to be either a support or jungler. He sucks in lane as a support so that's a no, and he can't clear the jungle fast enough, so another no (also his ganks are unreliable and "meh" damage).

Slusher

United States19143 Posts

March 21 2017 20:41 GMT

He can be an oppressive laner into melee carries not named Fiona, which is (sometimes) enough. Like yes he's not A tier but full ap isn't even b tier so his win rate reflects something lower than b which is probably a reasonable assessment of roa + tank.

I could be proven wrong but that is my view on the situation and why I think his win rate is a dubious metric (even compared to normal)

Edit: crucially in solo w he's a tank that can lane into Warwick and not get destroyed because he can burst him at low health.

JimmiC

Canada22817 Posts

March 21 2017 20:50 GMT

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Slusher

United States19143 Posts

March 21 2017 20:56 GMT

#11

Actually reading my own post over he's just kinda a shitty renekton. A semi tank that beats carries top, but basically requires flash to have any threat on an adc late game. Only with cho the adc can counter flash because all your abilities have cast times.

Gahlo

United States35174 Posts

March 21 2017 21:18 GMT

#12

Shut up and look at this new Lee skin splash.
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cLutZ

United States19574 Posts

March 21 2017 22:16 GMT

#13

On March 22 2017 05:56 Slusher wrote:
Actually reading my own post over he's just kinda a shitty renekton. A semi tank that beats carries top, but basically requires flash to have any threat on an adc late game. Only with cho the adc can counter flash because all your abilities have cast times.

Also, no dash, and poor splitpushing, and bad TP threat. That's why people play him AP-Builds, he's not useful in the frontlines, he's useful for standing right next to your (hopefully hypercarry) ADC and silencing/feasting divers after they wasted their mobility spells. I've argued before that this is, generally, not a useful role for solo-lane champions to occupy (in the Olaf context), and such it remains true in the cho context. They just need to figure out how with an E-start, W-max build order he can keep up with RekSai in jungle speed and HP.

Slusher

United States19143 Posts

March 21 2017 22:40 GMT

#14

His split isn't that bad he's great with rot because of his natural health and he can 1v2 most laners that he beats + a jungler provided he's ahead, which he should be.

He's bad but he has strengths and just running it down lane all day like Yorick is one of them.

lIlIlIlIlIlI

Korea (South)3851 Posts

March 21 2017 22:50 GMT

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cLutZ

United States19574 Posts

March 21 2017 23:00 GMT

#16

On March 22 2017 07:40 Slusher wrote:
His split isn't that bad he's great with rot because of his natural health and he can 1v2 most laners that he beats + a jungler provided he's ahead, which he should be.

He's bad but he has strengths and just running it down lane all day like Yorick is one of them.

You mean ROA? I don't see how a Camille/Renekton/Rumble/GP + Graves/Rengar/Kha/Elise lane isn't killing him. And with toplaners like Shen, Mao, Poppy, etc, you don't even fight him at that point, you just proxy his proxy and do 5x as much once you both TP.

Scip

Czech Republic11293 Posts

March 22 2017 00:38 GMT

#17

I've been playing the meme cho'gath lately with all the health scaling items
Cinderhulk, FotM, Titanic Hydra, then stuff like Spirit Visage and resistances
Not sure if good, but definitely meme