[Patch 7.3] Sandbox General Discussion - Page 8

On February 16 2017 15:12 phyvo wrote:
You either quit a champ you enjoy or you play long enough to see it become a completely different abomination.

On February 16 2017 18:14 Kaneh wrote:
I feel like juggermaw got figured out at a strategic level and we'll never see a meta like it again =(

On February 17 2017 03:28 cLutZ wrote:

IDK. I feel like it's major components just got hammered into oblivion.

On February 17 2017 05:10 Scip wrote:

"its" for possessive. "it's" when it's a contraction for "it is"

On February 17 2017 20:51 General_Winter wrote:
So what's the consensus on the new client? If I've been holding out, is it finally time to upgrade now that practice mode is here?

I feel like juggermaw got figured out at a strategic level and we'll never see a meta like it again =(

On February 17 2017 23:21 DarkCore wrote:
I agree, I haven't spoken to anyone on my friend list in years, but it's still in my face blocking space. I find it overall better than the old one, no problems with functionality and much better designed. On the plus side, it doesn't eat into my RAM like the old one either.



I disagree, I think it has room for occasional play, the problem is that the current meta does not favour it. Kog is a sitting duck for the likes of Jhin, Ashe and Varus CC, who are all better laners, throw in a Camille ult, Maokai root, or Syndra, and even with Lulu and Janna he's going to have a rough time staying alive. Also, he doesn't benefit from lethality.

I feel it can be drafted as a surprise comp, but league has changed and there are a bunch of new, incredibly mobile champions that Kog has to run from, and it unable to just sit and AA.

On February 18 2017 03:59 cLutZ wrote:


I don't think its mao or kamille, maybe Ashe/Varus are good factors against Juggermaw, but IMO its about its own core champ (lulu) losing power.

Lulu needs solo lane farm to give Kog (or Lucian in the Bang comp). The glitterlance nerf makes this really tough, particularly midlane. The movespeed on Whimsy was also crucial for ADC positioning, it let Kog dodge all the skillshots and weave autos much more effectively than otherwise. More attackspeed is superflulous if Kog can't safely auto.

While Kog has gone around in circles to get back to basically the same point, his ult is now probably worse for the juggermaw style because of the lower execute threshold, but thats debatable.

Ori, Tahm Kench, Karma, Janna, and Shen are meta champs that can conspire together to make Juggermaw work, but still probably not as well as a single, fed Lulu. Instead, IMO, if you want to run a Kog comp, you should probably go more standard and run something like A-Sol or another zone-creating midlaner with a beefy team that can peel for a 2-carry comp.