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On March 31 2016 02:16 JimmiC wrote:
I was just in a game where we were almost surely going to less when suddenly I DC, check my inet it's all good and try to relog back on repeatedly. eventually reboot come back game gone check match history no record of it.
Is this just a bug or did I have a cheater on my team? Hoping for 1 would hate to see this be a common thing.
Probably a drophacker on your team sorry.
I'm trying to do sol top and its going to take a lot more practice playing with the distances of the w'ed stars and the non w'ed stars. Triple ring swifties bottle are usually enough to get me through the lane before the power curve items.
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On March 31 2016 00:55 kongoline wrote:
45hp can be important for early duels i usually take it on olaf despite his W heal cuz i often all in lvl1-3
I feel like this is a poor choice. On Olaf you can gain the 45 HP in the span of a W later on, not even including what you'd get from SV, passive, regen, grasp etc. You're quite literally gimping yourself on the hope that you can kill the guy between level 1-3, and that he would've been able to kill you on a ~20-30 health difference.
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I like the HP when supporting, helps a lot
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Even then, it is still champ dependent. Maybe someone like Zyra if you plan on going ham early on and your only sustain is your own potions/regen, but any lane you envisage going in an even slightly passive way, increasing your healing is always better in the long run. Hell, Zyra can sometimes be so dominant in lane, that she doesn't need the extra health anyway, so I'm not sure that's a good example. Even then it would still be situational.
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immediate ones that come into mind are leona/annie sup
vet scars definitely better on them.
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One of the KR potato one-tricks I follow takes Vet Scars on Poppy along with a full armor page into Darius. I think in any scenario where you're not in an attrition/poke matchup and you don't need the sustain and you want to Not Die Now, the +45 HP is definitely valuable.
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On March 31 2016 08:46 dsyxelic wrote:
immediate ones that come into mind are leona/annie sup
vet scars definitely better on them.
Annie sure
Leona you're getting targon procs as extra healing + you're probably getting poked down a bunch against most typical supports, so you're almost always going to be regening health. Besides, the number of times a leona survives a level 2 with 30 hp really isn't very often, if they're focussing you that hard you're probably winning anyway :p
Two targon procs (2x4) + 30 seconds of base sustain (0.84*6 = 5) + summoner heal @ level 2 (10.5) and you're only gaining about 20 hp total from vetaran scars in the absolute worst case scenario where you all the exact moment the second wave arrives. (Generally it'd be even worse, as you don't hit level two until halfway through the second wave, or you've been passively healing since 1:40 because of gromp/kruggs.)
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Not to mention how rare it is for people to fight early levels lol. I even run scaling hp on seals....
Since when does it show the same number on wins and games wtf? Used to be able to check winrate without going on op.gg zz
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On April 01 2016 00:29 nafta wrote:
Not to mention how rare it is for people to fight early levels lol. I even run scaling hp on seals....
Aren't you the guy who was running veteran scars on trundle until I pointed out how dumb that was :p
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On April 01 2016 00:32 killerdog wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2016 00:29 nafta wrote:
Not to mention how rare it is for people to fight early levels lol. I even run scaling hp on seals.... Aren't you the guy who was running veteran scars on trundle until I pointed out how dumb that was :p
yea cuz I just blindly did the norm without checking. I was running scaling hp then too though.
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scars on poppy literally makes no sense when she has a pretty good shield. just a few shield procs and you beat scars already meh. dont feel like mathing it
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On April 01 2016 00:26 killerdog wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2016 08:46 dsyxelic wrote:
immediate ones that come into mind are leona/annie sup
vet scars definitely better on them. Annie sure Leona you're getting targon procs as extra healing + you're probably getting poked down a bunch against most typical supports, so you're almost always going to be regening health. Besides, the number of times a leona survives a level 2 with 30 hp really isn't very often, if they're focussing you that hard you're probably winning anyway :p Two targon procs (2x4) + 30 seconds of base sustain (0.84*6 = 5) + summoner heal @ level 2 (10.5) and you're only gaining about 20 hp total from vetaran scars in the absolute worst case scenario where you all the exact moment the second wave arrives. (Generally it'd be even worse, as you don't hit level two until halfway through the second wave, or you've been passively healing since 1:40 because of gromp/kruggs.)
If youre against poke thats fine. Vet scars is good on leona still because 1) roams 2) youre the one who tanks turret in dives 3) resists from w synergizes greatly with health
Pretty much every leona runs it.
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Just did some test clears on Rek'sai/Gragas and both times Veteran Scars was superior in first clear in terms of health after the clear by around 20-30 health. Considering both don't suffer too much after that in terms of sustaining through clear because of their passives, I actually think that Veteran Scars is slightly superior at least first clear wise if you're looking to make the plays.
Edit: Will redo when I'm not dying of no sleep though. Maybe i messed up my clears.
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GrandInquisitor
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On April 01 2016 00:26 killerdog wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2016 08:46 dsyxelic wrote:
immediate ones that come into mind are leona/annie sup
vet scars definitely better on them. Annie sure Leona you're getting targon procs as extra healing + you're probably getting poked down a bunch against most typical supports, so you're almost always going to be regening health. Besides, the number of times a leona survives a level 2 with 30 hp really isn't very often, if they're focussing you that hard you're probably winning anyway :p Two targon procs (2x4) + 30 seconds of base sustain (0.84*6 = 5) + summoner heal @ level 2 (10.5) and you're only gaining about 20 hp total from vetaran scars in the absolute worst case scenario where you all the exact moment the second wave arrives. (Generally it'd be even worse, as you don't hit level two until halfway through the second wave, or you've been passively healing since 1:40 because of gromp/kruggs.)
This is one of the more blatant abuse of numbers I've seen in a while on this forum, and you still are conceding that Veteran's Scars is twice as good as Runic Armor.
The better view of it is that if you have no built-in sustain, you need about 4 health potions worth of healing for Runic Armor to be better. And even then it's only health regeneration and not raw health; there's a reason why Ruby Crystals cost 8x as much as a Health Potion even though both are 150HP.
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On April 01 2016 02:40 GrandInquisitor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2016 00:26 killerdog wrote:On March 31 2016 08:46 dsyxelic wrote:
immediate ones that come into mind are leona/annie sup
vet scars definitely better on them. Annie sure Leona you're getting targon procs as extra healing + you're probably getting poked down a bunch against most typical supports, so you're almost always going to be regening health. Besides, the number of times a leona survives a level 2 with 30 hp really isn't very often, if they're focussing you that hard you're probably winning anyway :p Two targon procs (2x4) + 30 seconds of base sustain (0.84*6 = 5) + summoner heal @ level 2 (10.5) and you're only gaining about 20 hp total from vetaran scars in the absolute worst case scenario where you all the exact moment the second wave arrives. (Generally it'd be even worse, as you don't hit level two until halfway through the second wave, or you've been passively healing since 1:40 because of gromp/kruggs.) This is one of the more blatant abuse of numbers I've seen in a while on this forum, and you still are conceding that Veteran's Scars is twice as good as Runic Armor. The better view of it is that if you have no built-in sustain, you need about 4 health potions worth of healing for Runic Armor to be better. And even then it's only health regeneration and not raw health; there's a reason why Ruby Crystals cost 8x as much as a Health Potion even though both are 150HP.
before you even reach lvl 3 and it scales better.....
The fact that you are pretty much never full hp as support in lane and you get locket at the very least makes it even better.
I also run grasp most of the time so that does help too later in the game.
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GrandInquisitor
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Neither mastery is remotely relevant on Leona by the time you get Locket, so I don't really see how that matters.
Veteran's Scars is equal to 6 HP seals. By way of analogy, does anyone choose to run 6 HP regen seals instead of 6 flat HP seals on Leona instead, netting you ~20HP every 30 seconds?
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On April 01 2016 05:01 GrandInquisitor wrote:
Neither mastery is remotely relevant on Leona by the time you get Locket, so I don't really see how that matters.
Veteran's Scars is equal to 6 HP seals. By way of analogy, does anyone choose to run 6 HP regen seals instead of 6 flat HP seals on Leona instead, netting you ~20HP every 30 seconds?
To be fair, it isn't uncommon to see Leonas running HP regen quints, getting their armor from marks.
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GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
On April 01 2016 05:03 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2016 05:01 GrandInquisitor wrote:
Neither mastery is remotely relevant on Leona by the time you get Locket, so I don't really see how that matters.
Veteran's Scars is equal to 6 HP seals. By way of analogy, does anyone choose to run 6 HP regen seals instead of 6 flat HP seals on Leona instead, netting you ~20HP every 30 seconds? To be fair, it isn't uncommon to see Leonas running HP regen quints, getting their armor from marks.
[citation needed]
http://na.op.gg/champion/Leona/SUPPORT shows armor, AD, and HP
http://champion.gg/champion/Leona/Support shows AD and HP
http://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/runes/leona shows Armor, AD, HP, MS, and AP
http://imgur.com/gallery/FmakbeW shows only Armor (for Leona)
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Korea Challenger Tournament, has 1.
Unfortunately most of her pro/proam play comes from LMS, where I can't pull runes from match history.
Champion.gg only shows the highest winrate and most common rune sets, comprising of 2268 of the 34834 games she's been played that are relevant to their metrics, for a total of 0.065% of the games.
League of graphs is a solid source that I was unaware existed, I'll have to look into it.
The Spellsy imgur link is over a year old.
So yeah, it might not be as common as I had thought, but some of your sources are far from credible or conclusive.
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On April 01 2016 06:12 Gahlo wrote:Korea Challenger Tournament, has 1.Unfortunately most of her pro/proam play comes from LMS, where I can't pull runes from match history. Champion.gg only shows the highest winrate and most common rune sets, comprising of 2268 of the 34834 games she's been played that are relevant to their metrics, for a total of 0.065% of the games. League of graphs is a solid source that I was unaware existed, I'll have to look into it. The Spellsy imgur link is over a year old. So yeah, it might not be as common as I had thought, but some of your sources are far from credible or conclusive.
That's 6.5%, not 0.065%. I'm not sure pro play is a good metric here though. I feel hp regen would have more benefit in a soloqueue game where you tend to fight a lot, than in a pro game where you laneswap and roam a lot more.
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