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bbc23
Profile Joined September 2013
United States416 Posts
January 02 2016 21:20 GMT
#2361
If they were to change relegation it would be because of the NRG/IMT owners, Rick Fox is literally a drop in the water compared to them.
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-02 21:30:12
January 02 2016 21:28 GMT
#2362
Im not saying he is the cause, more that he is the causation.

Why would he have bought Gravity unless he knows something we don't?
Carrilord has arrived.
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-02 21:30:28
January 02 2016 21:29 GMT
#2363
Double
Carrilord has arrived.
Zato-1
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Chile4253 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-02 21:39:53
January 02 2016 21:39 GMT
#2364
On January 03 2016 06:28 Slusher wrote:
Im not saying he is the cause, more that he is the causation.

Why would he have bought Gravity unless he knows something we don't?

I think there's a good chance he would've, yeah. Maybe he feels he can gamble 1 million on something like this, and looking at the TiP roster, I think Echo Fox has fairly good odds of surviving the Spring Split.
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nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
January 02 2016 21:40 GMT
#2365
On January 03 2016 06:28 Slusher wrote:
Im not saying he is the cause, more that he is the causation.

Why would he have bought Gravity unless he knows something we don't?

Gravity isn't THAT bad. They should be able to stay in lcs if the kfo/hard/froggen/keith/baby roster is true.
dsyxelic
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1417 Posts
January 02 2016 21:53 GMT
#2366
last place team never pans out the way we predict anyways

theres always that 1 team that just crashes and burns for no reason
TL/SKT
Zato-1
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Chile4253 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-02 22:34:45
January 02 2016 22:02 GMT
#2367
On January 03 2016 06:40 nafta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 03 2016 06:28 Slusher wrote:
Im not saying he is the cause, more that he is the causation.

Why would he have bought Gravity unless he knows something we don't?

Gravity isn't THAT bad. They should be able to stay in lcs if the kfo/hard/froggen/keith/baby roster is true.

Yeah. These are the teams and rosters as far as we can tell:

C9: Balls, Rush, Jensen AKA Incarnation, Sneaky, Hai
CLG: Darshan, Xmithie, Huhi, Stixxay, Aphromoo
Echo Fox: kfo, Hard, Froggen, Keith, Babyeator/Xpecial (Allegedly)
Immortals: Huni, Reignover, Pobelter, Wildturtle, Adrian
NRG: Impact, Moon, GBM, Altec, Konkwon
Renegades: RF Legendary, Crumbzz, Alex Ich, Freeze, Dreamcatcher AKA Remilia
Dignitas: SmittyJ, Kirei, Shiphtur, Apollo, Kiwikid
TiP: Feng, Procxin, Pirean, Dontmashme, Gate
TL: ???, Iwilldominate, Fenix, Piglet, Smoothie
TSM: Hauntzer, Svenskeren, Bjergsen, Doublelift, Yellowstar

TSM, C9, CLG, Immortals and NRG look out of Echo Fox's reach. They might put up a fight with TL depending on who TL gets as their toplaner. TiP, Dignitas and Renegades look totally beatable. This alleged Echo Fox roster looks like a below-average team, but not a relegations team.

EDIT: Thanks for pointing out Freeze instead of Jebus on Renegades.
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bbc23
Profile Joined September 2013
United States416 Posts
January 02 2016 22:11 GMT
#2368
On January 03 2016 06:53 dsyxelic wrote:
last place team never pans out the way we predict anyways

theres always that 1 team that just crashes and burns for no reason

Summer 2015: TDK
Once we knew Emperor/Ninja wouldn't play the 1st several weeks I am pretty sure most people guessed they'd be near the bottom or last
Spring 2015: Coast
I wanna say Dig and T8 were picked more to be last
Summer 2014:Complexity
Pretty sure this was guessed
Spring 2014: XDG
Out of nowhere, believe Dig was predicted to be last out of those teams? Can't fully remember though
Summer 2013: Velocity
Completely expected
Spring 2013: Complexity
I believe people thought Marn would finish lower but remember them being thought of pretty equally

On January 03 2016 07:02 Zato-1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 03 2016 06:40 nafta wrote:
On January 03 2016 06:28 Slusher wrote:
Im not saying he is the cause, more that he is the causation.

Why would he have bought Gravity unless he knows something we don't?

Gravity isn't THAT bad. They should be able to stay in lcs if the kfo/hard/froggen/keith/baby roster is true.

Yeah. These are the teams and rosters as far as we can tell:

C9: Balls, Rush, Jensen AKA Incarnation, Sneaky, Hai
CLG: Darshan, Xmithie, Huhi, Stixxay, Aphromoo
Echo Fox: kfo, Hard, Froggen, Keith, Babyeator/Xpecial (Allegedly)
Immortals: Huni, Reignover, Pobelter, Wildturtle, Adrian
NRG: Impact, Moon, GBM, Altec, Konkwon
Renegades: RF Legendary, Crumbzz, Alex Ich, Jebus, Dreamcatcher AKA Remilia
Dignitas: SmittyJ, Kirei, Shiphtur, Apollo, Kiwikid
TiP: Feng, Procxin, Pirean, Dontmashme, Gate
TL: ???, Iwilldominate, Fenix, Piglet, Smoothie
TSM: Hauntzer, Svenskeren, Bjergsen, Doublelift, Yellowstar

TSM, C9, CLG, Immortals and NRG look out of Echo Fox's reach. They might put up a fight with TL depending on who TL gets as their toplaner. TiP, Dignitas and Renegades look totally beatable. This alleged Echo Fox roster looks like a below-average team, but not a relegations team.

This is about where I'm at in regards to Echo Fox's standing. For whatever reason a lot of pros defending Baby's performance so maybe they know something I don't.
MooMooMugi
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States10531 Posts
January 02 2016 22:12 GMT
#2369
Thought Renegades ADC was Freeze?
|LoL & SC2 IGN both my username| Just livin' the baylife| Hearthstone ID: MooMooMugi#1544| Dank Memer since 2011
oo_Wonderful_oo
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
The land of freedom23126 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-02 22:19:17
January 02 2016 22:17 GMT
#2370
On January 03 2016 07:12 MooMooMugi wrote:
Thought Renegades ADC was Freeze?


Yup, Jebus is going to play for ROCCAT.

Holy shit, TIP though XD.
Going to be pretty solid lesson for owners to not asking 3m for the LCS slot.

Funniest part is that I was a Procxin fanboy during MKZ times, but holy shit, he was bad in Japan.

On January 03 2016 02:43 Redox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 03 2016 02:35 Fusilero wrote:
http://www.dailydot.com/esports/team-impulse-roster-league-of-legends-2016/?tw=es
New TiP roster reported as Gate/Mashme/Procxin/Feng (soloQ top)/Pirean (SoloQ mid). Gate will be playing support

Dear god 10/10 XD holy shit I love it

I take it back Froggen could have done worse.


Let's be real, if Froggen had TM8/Hakuho or TM8/Biofrost botlane, Echo Fox would've been playoffs for sure.
Even now, honestly, I'd say that if Vladimir main toplane pays off, Froggen with help of him and Hard can boost Keith and Baby to playoffs over TL/Dig.
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Zato-1
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Chile4253 Posts
January 02 2016 22:41 GMT
#2371
On January 03 2016 07:17 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 03 2016 07:12 MooMooMugi wrote:
Thought Renegades ADC was Freeze?


Yup, Jebus is going to play for ROCCAT.

Holy shit, TIP though XD.
Going to be pretty solid lesson for owners to not asking 3m for the LCS slot.

Funniest part is that I was a Procxin fanboy during MKZ times, but holy shit, he was bad in Japan.

Show nested quote +
On January 03 2016 02:43 Redox wrote:
On January 03 2016 02:35 Fusilero wrote:
http://www.dailydot.com/esports/team-impulse-roster-league-of-legends-2016/?tw=es
New TiP roster reported as Gate/Mashme/Procxin/Feng (soloQ top)/Pirean (SoloQ mid). Gate will be playing support

Dear god 10/10 XD holy shit I love it

I take it back Froggen could have done worse.


Let's be real, if Froggen had TM8/Hakuho or TM8/Biofrost botlane, Echo Fox would've been playoffs for sure.
Even now, honestly, I'd say that if Vladimir main toplane pays off, Froggen with help of him and Hard can boost Keith and Baby to playoffs over TL/Dig.

I'd agree, but have you seen the metagame? Games are so short nowadays, if this keeps up it'll be the worst nightmare of passive, lategame oriented mids like Froggen who just want to sit in lane and farm up until 50 minutes into the game.
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nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-02 22:50:18
January 02 2016 22:48 GMT
#2372
Froggen's strongest parts have always been laning and teamfighting on control mages. Don't see how a faster meta game is a problem. The problem with froggen is he has never been or had a good shotcaller on his team so they always just end up waiting for 50 minutes and hoping to win that 1 fight. He also still doesn't have one on this new team or at least looks like it.
Fildun
Profile Joined December 2012
Netherlands4124 Posts
January 02 2016 22:49 GMT
#2373
On January 03 2016 07:41 Zato-1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 03 2016 07:17 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
On January 03 2016 07:12 MooMooMugi wrote:
Thought Renegades ADC was Freeze?


Yup, Jebus is going to play for ROCCAT.

Holy shit, TIP though XD.
Going to be pretty solid lesson for owners to not asking 3m for the LCS slot.

Funniest part is that I was a Procxin fanboy during MKZ times, but holy shit, he was bad in Japan.

On January 03 2016 02:43 Redox wrote:
On January 03 2016 02:35 Fusilero wrote:
http://www.dailydot.com/esports/team-impulse-roster-league-of-legends-2016/?tw=es
New TiP roster reported as Gate/Mashme/Procxin/Feng (soloQ top)/Pirean (SoloQ mid). Gate will be playing support

Dear god 10/10 XD holy shit I love it

I take it back Froggen could have done worse.


Let's be real, if Froggen had TM8/Hakuho or TM8/Biofrost botlane, Echo Fox would've been playoffs for sure.
Even now, honestly, I'd say that if Vladimir main toplane pays off, Froggen with help of him and Hard can boost Keith and Baby to playoffs over TL/Dig.

I'd agree, but have you seen the metagame? Games are so short nowadays, if this keeps up it'll be the worst nightmare of passive, lategame oriented mids like Froggen who just want to sit in lane and farm up until 50 minutes into the game.

Froggen's pretty flexible in regard that playstyle if he has decent player on his team to back him up. The main reason he used to farm forever was that it was the easiest reason to carry the other guys on his team.
Plus a lot of the games in the CLG.eu era they didn't actually farm forever.
Then in Alliance he had a good Shook as jungler so he had proper backup and after that his team just went to shit.
oo_Wonderful_oo
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
The land of freedom23126 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-02 23:06:42
January 02 2016 23:04 GMT
#2374
On January 03 2016 07:49 Fildun wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 03 2016 07:41 Zato-1 wrote:
On January 03 2016 07:17 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
On January 03 2016 07:12 MooMooMugi wrote:
Thought Renegades ADC was Freeze?


Yup, Jebus is going to play for ROCCAT.

Holy shit, TIP though XD.
Going to be pretty solid lesson for owners to not asking 3m for the LCS slot.

Funniest part is that I was a Procxin fanboy during MKZ times, but holy shit, he was bad in Japan.

On January 03 2016 02:43 Redox wrote:
On January 03 2016 02:35 Fusilero wrote:
http://www.dailydot.com/esports/team-impulse-roster-league-of-legends-2016/?tw=es
New TiP roster reported as Gate/Mashme/Procxin/Feng (soloQ top)/Pirean (SoloQ mid). Gate will be playing support

Dear god 10/10 XD holy shit I love it

I take it back Froggen could have done worse.


Let's be real, if Froggen had TM8/Hakuho or TM8/Biofrost botlane, Echo Fox would've been playoffs for sure.
Even now, honestly, I'd say that if Vladimir main toplane pays off, Froggen with help of him and Hard can boost Keith and Baby to playoffs over TL/Dig.

I'd agree, but have you seen the metagame? Games are so short nowadays, if this keeps up it'll be the worst nightmare of passive, lategame oriented mids like Froggen who just want to sit in lane and farm up until 50 minutes into the game.

Froggen's pretty flexible in regard that playstyle if he has decent player on his team to back him up. The main reason he used to farm forever was that it was the easiest reason to carry the other guys on his team.
Plus a lot of the games in the CLG.eu era they didn't actually farm forever.
Then in Alliance he had a good Shook as jungler so he had proper backup and after that his team just went to shit.


Let alone that in EG he almost was able to 1v9 the team into Worlds by playing likes of Ahri/TF, his real signature champions outside of Anivia throughout his career.

This stereotypical "Froggen can only farm for 45 minutes before doing something, ermagerd" is getting pretty boring, considering that he never played like that since mid-2013, when Anivia/Lux finally were too hipster even for Froggen.
LiquidLegends StaffFPL 25 #1 | tfw I cast games on-air | back-to-back Liquibet winner
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
January 02 2016 23:06 GMT
#2375
On January 03 2016 02:35 Fusilero wrote:
http://www.dailydot.com/esports/team-impulse-roster-league-of-legends-2016/?tw=es
New TiP roster reported as Gate/Mashme/Procxin/Feng (soloQ top)/Pirean (SoloQ mid). Gate will be playing support

Dear god 10/10 XD holy shit I love it

EchoFox looks a lot less silly now. lmao.
liftlift > tsm
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
January 02 2016 23:12 GMT
#2376
On January 03 2016 08:04 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 03 2016 07:49 Fildun wrote:
On January 03 2016 07:41 Zato-1 wrote:
On January 03 2016 07:17 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
On January 03 2016 07:12 MooMooMugi wrote:
Thought Renegades ADC was Freeze?


Yup, Jebus is going to play for ROCCAT.

Holy shit, TIP though XD.
Going to be pretty solid lesson for owners to not asking 3m for the LCS slot.

Funniest part is that I was a Procxin fanboy during MKZ times, but holy shit, he was bad in Japan.

On January 03 2016 02:43 Redox wrote:
On January 03 2016 02:35 Fusilero wrote:
http://www.dailydot.com/esports/team-impulse-roster-league-of-legends-2016/?tw=es
New TiP roster reported as Gate/Mashme/Procxin/Feng (soloQ top)/Pirean (SoloQ mid). Gate will be playing support

Dear god 10/10 XD holy shit I love it

I take it back Froggen could have done worse.


Let's be real, if Froggen had TM8/Hakuho or TM8/Biofrost botlane, Echo Fox would've been playoffs for sure.
Even now, honestly, I'd say that if Vladimir main toplane pays off, Froggen with help of him and Hard can boost Keith and Baby to playoffs over TL/Dig.

I'd agree, but have you seen the metagame? Games are so short nowadays, if this keeps up it'll be the worst nightmare of passive, lategame oriented mids like Froggen who just want to sit in lane and farm up until 50 minutes into the game.

Froggen's pretty flexible in regard that playstyle if he has decent player on his team to back him up. The main reason he used to farm forever was that it was the easiest reason to carry the other guys on his team.
Plus a lot of the games in the CLG.eu era they didn't actually farm forever.
Then in Alliance he had a good Shook as jungler so he had proper backup and after that his team just went to shit.


Let alone that in EG he almost was able to 1v9 the team into Worlds by playing likes of Ahri/TF, his real signature champions outside of Anivia throughout his career.

This stereotypical "Froggen can only farm for 45 minutes before doing something, ermagerd" is getting pretty boring, considering that he never played like that since mid-2013, when Anivia/Lux finally were too hipster even for Froggen.

Honestly if a player gets a reputation like that it takes a lot of work to make it go away. Hell people to this day say bjerg's best champion is zed when his control mages like ori/xerath have been a lot stronger since mid s4.
dsyxelic
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1417 Posts
January 02 2016 23:14 GMT
#2377
On January 03 2016 07:11 bbc23 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 03 2016 06:53 dsyxelic wrote:
last place team never pans out the way we predict anyways

theres always that 1 team that just crashes and burns for no reason

Summer 2015: TDK
Once we knew Emperor/Ninja wouldn't play the 1st several weeks I am pretty sure most people guessed they'd be near the bottom or last
Spring 2015: Coast
I wanna say Dig and T8 were picked more to be last
Summer 2014:Complexity
Pretty sure this was guessed
Spring 2014: XDG
Out of nowhere, believe Dig was predicted to be last out of those teams? Can't fully remember though
Summer 2013: Velocity
Completely expected
Spring 2013: Complexity
I believe people thought Marn would finish lower but remember them being thought of pretty equally


was only talking about preseason predictions. TDK didn't confirm they weren't playing till like days before. or even less, I remember it being very late. and even then, they didn't confirm how long they were out till way later in the season.

most people predicted Dig to be last as you can look back in the predictions thread.

also not talking about just NALCS

lots of EU teams imploded and giants were at the bottom of the predictions both splits.
TL/SKT
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
January 02 2016 23:27 GMT
#2378
So as an aside, alicus, impaler, alphari, hiiva, tabzz and caedrael (EUW mid laner) have all changed their twitter icons to fat squirrels

I wonder if there's any link between a player of each role and a manager changing their icons to one thing :>
Glorious SEA doto
Saradin
Profile Joined January 2015
456 Posts
January 02 2016 23:41 GMT
#2379
That they've taken a cue from GPL's Fat Rabbit (who apparently then became Panda Cub Hugging Club, then disbanded, aww) and probably form a Fat Squirrel team?
TitusVI
Profile Joined April 2013
Germany8319 Posts
January 03 2016 00:05 GMT
#2380
Good to see keith finally has a team after getting abused by TL and TSM.
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