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On March 27 2015 11:04 Jek wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2015 07:42 obesechicken13 wrote:On March 27 2015 04:57 Osmoses wrote:
That... Actually sounds good in theory. But I've never seen it so it must be terrible. Agree. I've also never seen it. Face kinda feels overpowered compared to the other support items. I don't remember if it was like this S2/ early s3. I always lose duels when I play Janna vs Leona or Braum in a 2v2. Maybe FQC(Frost Queen's Claim) works better on bursty supports like Morg, or Annie though by giving them more burst to assassinate carries. Or I'm supposed to lose the trade as Janna but make up for it by stopping ganks better and healing my carries back up with ulti. You shouldn't lose vs Leona as Janna. Leona cannot engage on you if you use your Tornado properly to cancel her E, so you can sorta do whatever the hell you want in lane.
I don't always have a tornado set up waiting for Leona.
A bit of an aside, has anyone else tried out scaling CDR glyphs? With just a frozen heart and 4 in the offense tree, it'll bring you to 40% CDR.
There's so many champions that have abilities that scale with CDR.
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On March 27 2015 12:19 obesechicken13 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2015 11:04 Jek wrote:On March 27 2015 07:42 obesechicken13 wrote:On March 27 2015 04:57 Osmoses wrote:
That... Actually sounds good in theory. But I've never seen it so it must be terrible. Agree. I've also never seen it. Face kinda feels overpowered compared to the other support items. I don't remember if it was like this S2/ early s3. I always lose duels when I play Janna vs Leona or Braum in a 2v2. Maybe FQC(Frost Queen's Claim) works better on bursty supports like Morg, or Annie though by giving them more burst to assassinate carries. Or I'm supposed to lose the trade as Janna but make up for it by stopping ganks better and healing my carries back up with ulti. You shouldn't lose vs Leona as Janna. Leona cannot engage on you if you use your Tornado properly to cancel her E, so you can sorta do whatever the hell you want in lane. I don't always have a tornado set up waiting for Leona. A bit of an aside, has anyone else tried out scaling CDR glyphs? With just a frozen heart and 4 in the offense tree, it'll bring you to 40% CDR. There's so many champions that have abilities that scale with CDR.
i think he means that if your reflexes are on point you can double tap Q on every Leona E, although there is a cdr rune/mastery setup where you have a 2 second window or something where Leona E is up before Janna Q.
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On March 27 2015 12:30 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2015 12:19 obesechicken13 wrote:On March 27 2015 11:04 Jek wrote:On March 27 2015 07:42 obesechicken13 wrote:On March 27 2015 04:57 Osmoses wrote:
That... Actually sounds good in theory. But I've never seen it so it must be terrible. Agree. I've also never seen it. Face kinda feels overpowered compared to the other support items. I don't remember if it was like this S2/ early s3. I always lose duels when I play Janna vs Leona or Braum in a 2v2. Maybe FQC(Frost Queen's Claim) works better on bursty supports like Morg, or Annie though by giving them more burst to assassinate carries. Or I'm supposed to lose the trade as Janna but make up for it by stopping ganks better and healing my carries back up with ulti. You shouldn't lose vs Leona as Janna. Leona cannot engage on you if you use your Tornado properly to cancel her E, so you can sorta do whatever the hell you want in lane. I don't always have a tornado set up waiting for Leona. A bit of an aside, has anyone else tried out scaling CDR glyphs? With just a frozen heart and 4 in the offense tree, it'll bring you to 40% CDR. There's so many champions that have abilities that scale with CDR. i think he means that if your reflexes are on point you can double tap Q on every Leona E, although there is a cdr rune/mastery setup where you have a 2 second window or something where Leona E is up before Janna Q.
I usually try to line up a double knockup instead of just double tapping, but even if you double tap, don't you still take at least a stun to the face after your knockup wears off due to you being snared?
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On March 27 2015 12:30 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2015 12:19 obesechicken13 wrote:On March 27 2015 11:04 Jek wrote:On March 27 2015 07:42 obesechicken13 wrote:On March 27 2015 04:57 Osmoses wrote:
That... Actually sounds good in theory. But I've never seen it so it must be terrible. Agree. I've also never seen it. Face kinda feels overpowered compared to the other support items. I don't remember if it was like this S2/ early s3. I always lose duels when I play Janna vs Leona or Braum in a 2v2. Maybe FQC(Frost Queen's Claim) works better on bursty supports like Morg, or Annie though by giving them more burst to assassinate carries. Or I'm supposed to lose the trade as Janna but make up for it by stopping ganks better and healing my carries back up with ulti. You shouldn't lose vs Leona as Janna. Leona cannot engage on you if you use your Tornado properly to cancel her E, so you can sorta do whatever the hell you want in lane. I don't always have a tornado set up waiting for Leona. A bit of an aside, has anyone else tried out scaling CDR glyphs? With just a frozen heart and 4 in the offense tree, it'll bring you to 40% CDR. There's so many champions that have abilities that scale with CDR. i think he means that if your reflexes are on point you can double tap Q on every Leona E, although there is a cdr rune/mastery setup where you have a 2 second window or something where Leona E is up before Janna Q.
I thought this myth was thoroughly debunked before in one of these threads. In most MUs if you get only a short Double Tap Knockup on Leona the trade is mostly even. Janna has to do that, plus abuse the CD being down.
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On March 27 2015 12:44 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2015 12:30 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:On March 27 2015 12:19 obesechicken13 wrote:On March 27 2015 11:04 Jek wrote:On March 27 2015 07:42 obesechicken13 wrote:On March 27 2015 04:57 Osmoses wrote:
That... Actually sounds good in theory. But I've never seen it so it must be terrible. Agree. I've also never seen it. Face kinda feels overpowered compared to the other support items. I don't remember if it was like this S2/ early s3. I always lose duels when I play Janna vs Leona or Braum in a 2v2. Maybe FQC(Frost Queen's Claim) works better on bursty supports like Morg, or Annie though by giving them more burst to assassinate carries. Or I'm supposed to lose the trade as Janna but make up for it by stopping ganks better and healing my carries back up with ulti. You shouldn't lose vs Leona as Janna. Leona cannot engage on you if you use your Tornado properly to cancel her E, so you can sorta do whatever the hell you want in lane. I don't always have a tornado set up waiting for Leona. A bit of an aside, has anyone else tried out scaling CDR glyphs? With just a frozen heart and 4 in the offense tree, it'll bring you to 40% CDR. There's so many champions that have abilities that scale with CDR. i think he means that if your reflexes are on point you can double tap Q on every Leona E, although there is a cdr rune/mastery setup where you have a 2 second window or something where Leona E is up before Janna Q. I thought this myth was thoroughly debunked before in one of these threads. In most MUs if you get only a short Double Tap Knockup on Leona the trade is mostly even. Janna has to do that, plus abuse the CD being down.
i wasn't saying anything about winning the trade, just that you can double tap the zenith blade, i don't even think that's a good argument for picking janna into leona because who can do it every single time with ping and requiring your reflexes to be on point always
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On March 27 2015 12:30 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2015 12:19 obesechicken13 wrote:On March 27 2015 11:04 Jek wrote:On March 27 2015 07:42 obesechicken13 wrote:On March 27 2015 04:57 Osmoses wrote:
That... Actually sounds good in theory. But I've never seen it so it must be terrible. Agree. I've also never seen it. Face kinda feels overpowered compared to the other support items. I don't remember if it was like this S2/ early s3. I always lose duels when I play Janna vs Leona or Braum in a 2v2. Maybe FQC(Frost Queen's Claim) works better on bursty supports like Morg, or Annie though by giving them more burst to assassinate carries. Or I'm supposed to lose the trade as Janna but make up for it by stopping ganks better and healing my carries back up with ulti. You shouldn't lose vs Leona as Janna. Leona cannot engage on you if you use your Tornado properly to cancel her E, so you can sorta do whatever the hell you want in lane. I don't always have a tornado set up waiting for Leona. A bit of an aside, has anyone else tried out scaling CDR glyphs? With just a frozen heart and 4 in the offense tree, it'll bring you to 40% CDR. There's so many champions that have abilities that scale with CDR. i think he means that if your reflexes are on point you can double tap Q on every Leona E, although there is a cdr rune/mastery setup where you have a 2 second window or something where Leona E is up before Janna Q.
The window always exists for Leona to jump on you so long as CDR is even or Leona puts a second point into E before you put a second point into Q. (and Leona probably should, this is also a great strategy against Morgana because you can stun with Q if your E does enough damage to clear the black shield)
The main thing is that if you're incapable of playing safe for 1-2 seconds in a lane against Leona it doesn't matter what support you pick, you're going to get wrecked.
On March 27 2015 12:39 obesechicken13 wrote:
I usually try to line up a double knockup instead of just double tapping, but even if you double tap, don't you still take at least a stun to the face after your knockup wears off due to you being snared?
No, the snare is not long enough. Leona would have to flash for it
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On March 27 2015 12:39 obesechicken13 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2015 12:30 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:On March 27 2015 12:19 obesechicken13 wrote:On March 27 2015 11:04 Jek wrote:On March 27 2015 07:42 obesechicken13 wrote:On March 27 2015 04:57 Osmoses wrote:
That... Actually sounds good in theory. But I've never seen it so it must be terrible. Agree. I've also never seen it. Face kinda feels overpowered compared to the other support items. I don't remember if it was like this S2/ early s3. I always lose duels when I play Janna vs Leona or Braum in a 2v2. Maybe FQC(Frost Queen's Claim) works better on bursty supports like Morg, or Annie though by giving them more burst to assassinate carries. Or I'm supposed to lose the trade as Janna but make up for it by stopping ganks better and healing my carries back up with ulti. You shouldn't lose vs Leona as Janna. Leona cannot engage on you if you use your Tornado properly to cancel her E, so you can sorta do whatever the hell you want in lane. I don't always have a tornado set up waiting for Leona. A bit of an aside, has anyone else tried out scaling CDR glyphs? With just a frozen heart and 4 in the offense tree, it'll bring you to 40% CDR. There's so many champions that have abilities that scale with CDR. i think he means that if your reflexes are on point you can double tap Q on every Leona E, although there is a cdr rune/mastery setup where you have a 2 second window or something where Leona E is up before Janna Q. I usually try to line up a double knockup instead of just double tapping, but even if you double tap, don't you still take at least a stun to the face after your knockup wears off due to you being snared?
No, because leona doesn't make it all the way to your carry if you interrupt her. In theory, it means than once her engage is down you can zone the other carry out or poke them out because their support can't do anything for a couple of seconds, which neuters all of leona's kill threat.
I've done it before, but I wouldn't describe it as easy or simple for someone who doesn't have a ton of janna support experience.
Speaking of support, am I the only one who still goes support nunu in a vayne/cait lane?
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I pick Janna against Leona when ever possible. It's really not that hard to cancel her E if you've played the match up enough, the key is just to keep vision of her and there's only a 1 second difference between their Tornado/Blade cooldowns, if you allow Leona to use this tiny window you're simply not playing the match up right. Flash stun is basically Leona's only option to do anything meaningful outside of using relic stacks and warding.
Dont look for some cool double knockups, just cancel Leona's E and she's utterly useless in lane. There'll never be a trade unless you fuck up massively, or actually want the trade to burn her potions or something similar.
If Leona is good at engages Janna is the Goddess of Disengages. In my opinion the only true hardcounter in League.
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On March 27 2015 13:24 Vanka wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2015 12:39 obesechicken13 wrote:On March 27 2015 12:30 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:On March 27 2015 12:19 obesechicken13 wrote:On March 27 2015 11:04 Jek wrote:On March 27 2015 07:42 obesechicken13 wrote:On March 27 2015 04:57 Osmoses wrote:
That... Actually sounds good in theory. But I've never seen it so it must be terrible. Agree. I've also never seen it. Face kinda feels overpowered compared to the other support items. I don't remember if it was like this S2/ early s3. I always lose duels when I play Janna vs Leona or Braum in a 2v2. Maybe FQC(Frost Queen's Claim) works better on bursty supports like Morg, or Annie though by giving them more burst to assassinate carries. Or I'm supposed to lose the trade as Janna but make up for it by stopping ganks better and healing my carries back up with ulti. You shouldn't lose vs Leona as Janna. Leona cannot engage on you if you use your Tornado properly to cancel her E, so you can sorta do whatever the hell you want in lane. I don't always have a tornado set up waiting for Leona. A bit of an aside, has anyone else tried out scaling CDR glyphs? With just a frozen heart and 4 in the offense tree, it'll bring you to 40% CDR. There's so many champions that have abilities that scale with CDR. i think he means that if your reflexes are on point you can double tap Q on every Leona E, although there is a cdr rune/mastery setup where you have a 2 second window or something where Leona E is up before Janna Q. I usually try to line up a double knockup instead of just double tapping, but even if you double tap, don't you still take at least a stun to the face after your knockup wears off due to you being snared? No, because leona doesn't make it all the way to your carry if you interrupt her. In theory, it means than once her engage is down you can zone the other carry out or poke them out because their support can't do anything for a couple of seconds, which neuters all of leona's kill threat. I've done it before, but I wouldn't describe it as easy or simple for someone who doesn't have a ton of janna support experience. Speaking of support, am I the only one who still goes support nunu in a vayne/cait lane?
I tried Nunu Kog the other day but the bloodboil nerfs really hurt and you feel so useless other than as a W bot.
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On March 27 2015 14:11 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
I tried Nunu Kog the other day but the bloodboil nerfs really hurt and you feel so useless other than as a W bot.
Max E. Also probably not best to play with Kog unless the enemy support is particularly good for nunu. You need someone self sufficient for Nunu because Nunu's peel is so bad.
IMO the best AD to play against is Vayne(then trist) since she has no abilities longer than your snowball range and she is very attack speed dependent. So you just dump E's on her and she can't fight until it wears off and then you dump an e on her again. The best Support to play against would be taric, but he isn't ever played so next best is Blitzcrank then Alistar, then Morgana, then Bard. Everyone else its too easy to just harass nunu down
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I wouldn't call heca broken. Certainly strong, but he has his weak points like all the rest. He is quite squishy, for one.
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All these new champs in LCS, can't wait for a heimer-centric comp
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What do people think about the Athenes buff? I like that heroes like Ziggs and Ori are easier to play again but having the single item to forget about mana thing is kind of boring.
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I think the Athene's buff is good and people are overreacting.
Its still not as strong as S4 Athene's.
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Mana-wise it's ridiculous. It's not hard to tag the whole team with Ziggs and then you have 100% mana when the fight is over.
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Athene's buff is huge. On 5.5 it was already a perfectly acceptable item if you were vs AP.
Now it's basically back to where it was before.. any mage can buy it to have their mana-bar removed.
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I've been itching to play Anivia for some reason. You guys think Tear+Athene's is better than Tear+RoA atm?
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On March 27 2015 14:11 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2015 13:24 Vanka wrote:On March 27 2015 12:39 obesechicken13 wrote:On March 27 2015 12:30 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:On March 27 2015 12:19 obesechicken13 wrote:On March 27 2015 11:04 Jek wrote:On March 27 2015 07:42 obesechicken13 wrote:On March 27 2015 04:57 Osmoses wrote:
That... Actually sounds good in theory. But I've never seen it so it must be terrible. Agree. I've also never seen it. Face kinda feels overpowered compared to the other support items. I don't remember if it was like this S2/ early s3. I always lose duels when I play Janna vs Leona or Braum in a 2v2. Maybe FQC(Frost Queen's Claim) works better on bursty supports like Morg, or Annie though by giving them more burst to assassinate carries. Or I'm supposed to lose the trade as Janna but make up for it by stopping ganks better and healing my carries back up with ulti. You shouldn't lose vs Leona as Janna. Leona cannot engage on you if you use your Tornado properly to cancel her E, so you can sorta do whatever the hell you want in lane. I don't always have a tornado set up waiting for Leona. A bit of an aside, has anyone else tried out scaling CDR glyphs? With just a frozen heart and 4 in the offense tree, it'll bring you to 40% CDR. There's so many champions that have abilities that scale with CDR. i think he means that if your reflexes are on point you can double tap Q on every Leona E, although there is a cdr rune/mastery setup where you have a 2 second window or something where Leona E is up before Janna Q. I usually try to line up a double knockup instead of just double tapping, but even if you double tap, don't you still take at least a stun to the face after your knockup wears off due to you being snared? No, because leona doesn't make it all the way to your carry if you interrupt her. In theory, it means than once her engage is down you can zone the other carry out or poke them out because their support can't do anything for a couple of seconds, which neuters all of leona's kill threat. I've done it before, but I wouldn't describe it as easy or simple for someone who doesn't have a ton of janna support experience. Speaking of support, am I the only one who still goes support nunu in a vayne/cait lane? I tried Nunu Kog the other day but the bloodboil nerfs really hurt and you feel so useless other than as a W bot.
Why pick nunu when u can just pick nami and have a good support who also has an auto attack boost
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