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On March 05 2015 23:13 Slayer91 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2015 22:56 M2 wrote:
hahaha everything that requires advanced thinking, team effort and differentiates from one size fits all counterplay is considered toxic in this game xD its not his ult in teamfights thats toxic its his lane phase its basically "if you are melee you are fucked if you are ranged easy lane" his pull+slow basically punishes any melee who who is less than 80% hp and ranged champions too stupid to stay out of its short range+long animation time
For the record Darius pull has a long animation, however the hitbox is instant once casted you can't even flash out
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On March 06 2015 02:16 Solaris.playgu wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2015 23:13 Slayer91 wrote:On March 05 2015 22:56 M2 wrote:
hahaha everything that requires advanced thinking, team effort and differentiates from one size fits all counterplay is considered toxic in this game xD its not his ult in teamfights thats toxic its his lane phase its basically "if you are melee you are fucked if you are ranged easy lane" his pull+slow basically punishes any melee who who is less than 80% hp and ranged champions too stupid to stay out of its short range+long animation time In my experience he's very binary. If you have a good matchup (against melees as you say) you generally smash lane, otherwise you get smashed. Then it's the same in teamfights, if the enemy team can kite decently you get beaten to a pulp regardless of how lane went. If they can't kite well you can do okay if you smashed lane, otherwise you're fucked anyway. It's not about advanced thinking, team effort and counterplay. The issue with Darius is that counterplay is extremely limited. If the enemy team picked champions that are bad against Darius you can do well. If they picked champions that are good against Darius you WILL get smashed. No amount of clever thinking can change this, it's just the way his kit works.
lol, why the fuck do people keep thinking darius has no counterplay? rofl.
dude, i've seen too many games where a legendary darius just fuckign straightup loses games, because he can't do shit outside of laning.
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On March 06 2015 02:52 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2015 02:16 Solaris.playgu wrote:On March 05 2015 23:13 Slayer91 wrote:On March 05 2015 22:56 M2 wrote:
hahaha everything that requires advanced thinking, team effort and differentiates from one size fits all counterplay is considered toxic in this game xD its not his ult in teamfights thats toxic its his lane phase its basically "if you are melee you are fucked if you are ranged easy lane" his pull+slow basically punishes any melee who who is less than 80% hp and ranged champions too stupid to stay out of its short range+long animation time In my experience he's very binary. If you have a good matchup (against melees as you say) you generally smash lane, otherwise you get smashed. Then it's the same in teamfights, if the enemy team can kite decently you get beaten to a pulp regardless of how lane went. If they can't kite well you can do okay if you smashed lane, otherwise you're fucked anyway. It's not about advanced thinking, team effort and counterplay. The issue with Darius is that counterplay is extremely limited. If the enemy team picked champions that are bad against Darius you can do well. If they picked champions that are good against Darius you WILL get smashed. No amount of clever thinking can change this, it's just the way his kit works. lol, why the fuck do people keep thinking darius has no counterplay? rofl. dude, i've seen too many games where a legendary darius just fuckign straightup loses games, because he can't do shit outside of laning.
Sounds like Nasus to me.
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On March 06 2015 02:52 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2015 02:16 Solaris.playgu wrote:On March 05 2015 23:13 Slayer91 wrote:On March 05 2015 22:56 M2 wrote:
hahaha everything that requires advanced thinking, team effort and differentiates from one size fits all counterplay is considered toxic in this game xD its not his ult in teamfights thats toxic its his lane phase its basically "if you are melee you are fucked if you are ranged easy lane" his pull+slow basically punishes any melee who who is less than 80% hp and ranged champions too stupid to stay out of its short range+long animation time In my experience he's very binary. If you have a good matchup (against melees as you say) you generally smash lane, otherwise you get smashed. Then it's the same in teamfights, if the enemy team can kite decently you get beaten to a pulp regardless of how lane went. If they can't kite well you can do okay if you smashed lane, otherwise you're fucked anyway. It's not about advanced thinking, team effort and counterplay. The issue with Darius is that counterplay is extremely limited. If the enemy team picked champions that are bad against Darius you can do well. If they picked champions that are good against Darius you WILL get smashed. No amount of clever thinking can change this, it's just the way his kit works. lol, why the fuck do people keep thinking darius has no counterplay? rofl. dude, i've seen too many games where a legendary darius just fuckign straightup loses games, because he can't do shit outside of laning.
Uh, isn't that pretty much exactly what I said?
Edit: Ah, I see I phrased that badly. What I meant to say was that "Counterplay" against Darius just boils down to the question "Can they kite him?". If yes, he's boned regardless of how lane went, if no he can do well in fights assuming he did well in lane.
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On March 06 2015 03:00 Solaris.playgu wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2015 02:52 wei2coolman wrote:On March 06 2015 02:16 Solaris.playgu wrote:On March 05 2015 23:13 Slayer91 wrote:On March 05 2015 22:56 M2 wrote:
hahaha everything that requires advanced thinking, team effort and differentiates from one size fits all counterplay is considered toxic in this game xD its not his ult in teamfights thats toxic its his lane phase its basically "if you are melee you are fucked if you are ranged easy lane" his pull+slow basically punishes any melee who who is less than 80% hp and ranged champions too stupid to stay out of its short range+long animation time In my experience he's very binary. If you have a good matchup (against melees as you say) you generally smash lane, otherwise you get smashed. Then it's the same in teamfights, if the enemy team can kite decently you get beaten to a pulp regardless of how lane went. If they can't kite well you can do okay if you smashed lane, otherwise you're fucked anyway. It's not about advanced thinking, team effort and counterplay. The issue with Darius is that counterplay is extremely limited. If the enemy team picked champions that are bad against Darius you can do well. If they picked champions that are good against Darius you WILL get smashed. No amount of clever thinking can change this, it's just the way his kit works. lol, why the fuck do people keep thinking darius has no counterplay? rofl. dude, i've seen too many games where a legendary darius just fuckign straightup loses games, because he can't do shit outside of laning. Uh, isn't that pretty much exactly what I said?
how the fuck is "counterplay extremely limited" then?
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he said theres no counterplay if you dont have the right champions and easy counterplay if you do
maybe you should read the post zz
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On March 06 2015 03:02 Slayer91 wrote:
he said theres no counterplay if you dont have the right champions and easy counterplay if you do
maybe you should read the post zz
how often do you run into a teamcomp where there's no cc or adc?
muchless when there's a 5thpick darius?
are you guys seriously complaining about darius stomping teams where there are that 1 out 200 teamcomps that doesn't offer any counterplay to darius?
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I don't think anyone complained about Darius stomping teams. Maybe you should just read the posts?
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On March 06 2015 03:05 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2015 03:02 Slayer91 wrote:
he said theres no counterplay if you dont have the right champions and easy counterplay if you do
maybe you should read the post zz how often do you run into a teamcomp where there's no cc or adc? muchless when there's a 5thpick darius? are you guys seriously complaining about darius stomping teams where there are that 1 out 200 teamcomps that doesn't offer any counterplay to darius?
nobody said no cc or adc
darius can build quite tanky and non-fed adcs dont do a whole lot of damage
so you can still reset spam if they have lots of melees to spam ult on
its when they have like ranged mid/top/adc/support that you're fucked
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On March 06 2015 03:06 Solaris.playgu wrote:
I don't think anyone complained about Darius stomping teams. Maybe you should just read the posts?
On March 06 2015 03:00 Solaris.playgu wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2015 02:52 wei2coolman wrote:On March 06 2015 02:16 Solaris.playgu wrote:On March 05 2015 23:13 Slayer91 wrote:On March 05 2015 22:56 M2 wrote:
hahaha everything that requires advanced thinking, team effort and differentiates from one size fits all counterplay is considered toxic in this game xD its not his ult in teamfights thats toxic its his lane phase its basically "if you are melee you are fucked if you are ranged easy lane" his pull+slow basically punishes any melee who who is less than 80% hp and ranged champions too stupid to stay out of its short range+long animation time In my experience he's very binary. If you have a good matchup (against melees as you say) you generally smash lane, otherwise you get smashed. Then it's the same in teamfights, if the enemy team can kite decently you get beaten to a pulp regardless of how lane went. If they can't kite well you can do okay if you smashed lane, otherwise you're fucked anyway. It's not about advanced thinking, team effort and counterplay. The issue with Darius is that counterplay is extremely limited. If the enemy team picked champions that are bad against Darius you can do well. If they picked champions that are good against Darius you WILL get smashed. No amount of clever thinking can change this, it's just the way his kit works. lol, why the fuck do people keep thinking darius has no counterplay? rofl. dude, i've seen too many games where a legendary darius just fuckign straightup loses games, because he can't do shit outside of laning. Uh, isn't that pretty much exactly what I said? Edit: Ah, I see I phrased that badly. What I meant to say was that "Counterplay" against Darius just boils down to the question "Can they kite him?". If yes, he's boned regardless of how lane went, if no he can do well in fights assuming he did well in lane.
yeah, and how many times do these teamcomps with no adc no cc show up?
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You can do well against most adc:s unless they are very mobile or peeled for so well that you can't even reach them. I think he's in a really shitty spot right now since it's more about champ select than about how you actually play, but I don't think he's as garbage as you make him out to be.
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On March 06 2015 03:22 Solaris.playgu wrote:
You can do well against most adc:s unless they are very mobile or peeled for so well that you can't even reach them. I think he's in a really shitty spot right now since it's more about champ select than about how you actually play, but I don't think he's as garbage as you make him out to be.
I'm not saying he's garbage, I'm saying he's in a good spot right now, because it's a battle of lane strength vs weakness in teamfights. Which is a far more interesting dynamic than 90% of the champions right now in League. I'm always a fan of asymmetrical lane presence and strength, and how the games play out.
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its not interesting to play against in top lane and its not interesting to paly with in teamfights if he doesnt stomp lane or jungler carries it
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I do think he's in a bad spot right now, because if lane advantages don't translate into team advantages then they just aren't worth much. I might be playing it wrong, but after bullying my lane opponent a bit and taking the first tower I just have very little impact on the outcome of the game for the most part.
Like, if I shut the enemy laner down that's great because he won't be a threat to my team. But on the other hand, I generally won't be a threat to the enemy team either. Best case I just take both top laners out of the game, worst case I get ganked and then snowballed on because of zero mobility or I just plain lose to a bad matchup for the same reason.
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Why is critplank so much fun
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On March 06 2015 04:59 Slayer92 wrote:
Why is critplank so much fun
This post's whole situation is excellent.
Edit: And now it's Garen too. Perfect.
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On March 06 2015 04:59 Slayer92 wrote:
Why is critplank so much fun
Feels good to Q the enemy lane for 1/3 their health bar (all that red) or enemy ADC for 1/2 their life.
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On March 06 2015 04:59 Slayer92 wrote:
Why is critplank so much fun
Immediate gratification of big numbers, bonus gold, and Parrrley being one of the most satisfying sounds in the game.
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is that fucking martenv LOL
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You have to play critplank bot lane with support. It works so much better down there. Your trades like auto win and if you manage to cc them and hit them with your sword you just crush them because of your massive base stats and passive.
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