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Zess
Profile Joined July 2012
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
February 28 2015 01:07 GMT
#401
S2 was kind of wonky with all junglers being equal because they could build HoG and then be equally poor, but I think early S3 was actually all right since both Xin Zhao and Amumu were competitively viable at the same time.
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Ansibled
Profile Joined November 2014
United Kingdom9872 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-28 01:09:53
February 28 2015 01:09 GMT
#402
Early S3 as in stack cleavers? Not the era I would be looking to for the best state of the game.
'StarCraft is just a fairy tale told to scare children actually.'
TL+ Member
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
February 28 2015 01:15 GMT
#403
On February 28 2015 10:09 Ansibled wrote:
Early S3 as in stack cleavers? Not the era I would be looking to for the best state of the game.


Well, the OPNess of Cleavers and Warmogs masked the underlying jungle problems!
Freeeeeeedom
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21248 Posts
February 28 2015 01:49 GMT
#404
On February 28 2015 07:59 obesechicken13 wrote:

I say it jokingly. Gosugamers was always a good source for WC3 results and had at worst equal coverage as TL in terms of BW
.


OK that's actually really offensive.
TranslatorBaa!
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23460 Posts
February 28 2015 01:51 GMT
#405
LOL it totally did not

it was good at following foreign tournaments though
aka Teutonica
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-28 02:42:23
February 28 2015 02:39 GMT
#406
fix'd
Carrilord has arrived.
RagequitBM
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada2270 Posts
February 28 2015 03:13 GMT
#407
I'm really glad sunfire doesn't stack with Cinderhulk. I already get my ass beat hard enough as ADC in this meta. The new patch is pretty cool overall though!
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iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
February 28 2015 03:15 GMT
#408
On February 28 2015 12:13 RagequitBM wrote:
I'm really glad sunfire doesn't stack with Cinderhulk. I already get my ass beat hard enough as ADC in this meta. The new patch is pretty cool overall though!


Junglers get their ass beat hard too. lol.
RagequitBM
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada2270 Posts
February 28 2015 03:16 GMT
#409
Not saying they don't. I just prefer when my ass is beaten a little less!
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Purge
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada372 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-28 03:21:19
February 28 2015 03:20 GMT
#410
Lol this PBE update goes out to all the ragers spamming reddit with Riot hate threads about jungle diversity and firing the balance team and all other drama. Clearly they heard you and put together this suite of changes in 3 days and definitely didnt have this in the works for months, or say that they were going to buff tanks literally the next patch. They quake in their collective boots at the fury. Just lol.

Reddit knows balance indeed.

"Never do an enemy a small injury." - Machiavelli
Ansibled
Profile Joined November 2014
United Kingdom9872 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-28 03:29:58
February 28 2015 03:29 GMT
#411
I thought it was fairly common knowledge that Riot was working on the tank jungle changes, but that doesn't change that the most recent patch Riot shipped was a disaster and it's not just Reddit saying that but an alarming amount of pro players as well.

Reddit can say a lot of stupid things, but complaining about the most recent patch was justified even if it was blown out of proportion.
'StarCraft is just a fairy tale told to scare children actually.'
TL+ Member
Sonnington
Profile Joined December 2012
United States1107 Posts
February 28 2015 03:49 GMT
#412
I think the jungle changes are fine. They're just constantly nerfing the early game bruiser meta of junglers. Don't kid yourself, AP junglers and tank junglers give next to 0 shits about chilling smite and switching out jungle items.
Purge
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada372 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-28 03:52:09
February 28 2015 03:51 GMT
#413
The patch has been live for 3 days and the outcry has been outrageous. Even moreso when you remember that literally all of those changes are for competitive and barely affect the other 99% in any discernable way. Outside of maybe the Veigar changes, the backlash has been completely out of line.

Their are still tank junglers who sit in the top 5 winrate % just like they have for months now. People are just being willfully ignorant.
"Never do an enemy a small injury." - Machiavelli
petered
Profile Joined February 2010
United States1817 Posts
February 28 2015 03:55 GMT
#414
I have been following this subforum almost from the beginning and never once have most people been happy with the way the jungle works.

Some claim that there was an era where they were happy with the jungle, but go dig up the old threads and try to find a single season without extensive jungle complaints. It doesn't exist.

I just point this out to say that what makes for a "good jungle" is extremely subjective and hard to define. It is much easier to define what you don't like about it, so most discussions about the jungle end up being unproductive griping.
This, my friends, is the power of the Shikyo Memorial for QQ therapy thread. We make the world a better place, one chainsaw massacre prevention at a time.
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
February 28 2015 04:01 GMT
#415
On February 28 2015 12:55 petered wrote:
I have been following this subforum almost from the beginning and never once have most people been happy with the way the jungle works.

Some claim that there was an era where they were happy with the jungle, but go dig up the old threads and try to find a single season without extensive jungle complaints. It doesn't exist.

I just point this out to say that what makes for a "good jungle" is extremely subjective and hard to define. It is much easier to define what you don't like about it, so most discussions about the jungle end up being unproductive griping.


I actually really liked this jungle in 5.0 and 5.1.

lol.

But alas that is no more.
Purge
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada372 Posts
February 28 2015 04:01 GMT
#416
It just annoys me that people just shit on Riot constantly here and turn these threads into boring circlejerks about balance. No insight, no strategic thinking, no observations on meta picks or even linking to their replays where they pulled off some wacky shit. I wanted to come to TL because you guys are supposed to actually be the clever strategy forum, instead I find it can turn into a more cliquey form of Reddit who come off as pretentious.

Realtalk.

The jungle is just the latest example
"Never do an enemy a small injury." - Machiavelli
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
February 28 2015 04:05 GMT
#417
On February 28 2015 13:01 Purge wrote:
It just annoys me that people just shit on Riot constantly here and turn these threads into boring circlejerks about balance. No insight, no strategic thinking, no observations on meta picks or even linking to their replays where they pulled off some wacky shit. I wanted to come to TL because you guys are supposed to actually be the clever strategy forum, instead I find it can turn into a more cliquey form of Reddit who come off as pretentious.

Realtalk.

The jungle is just the latest example

I don't remember anybody here shit talking the Sion rework.
Purge
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada372 Posts
February 28 2015 04:05 GMT
#418
Let it not be said that I dont love TL tho Stuff like articles, the match threads and Scrip's jungle thread are awesome. Totally what need leagues atm imo.
"Never do an enemy a small injury." - Machiavelli
Purge
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada372 Posts
February 28 2015 04:08 GMT
#419
On February 28 2015 13:05 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2015 13:01 Purge wrote:
It just annoys me that people just shit on Riot constantly here and turn these threads into boring circlejerks about balance. No insight, no strategic thinking, no observations on meta picks or even linking to their replays where they pulled off some wacky shit. I wanted to come to TL because you guys are supposed to actually be the clever strategy forum, instead I find it can turn into a more cliquey form of Reddit who come off as pretentious.

Realtalk.

The jungle is just the latest example

I don't remember anybody here shit talking the Sion rework.


Congrats you guys didnt pick on probably the most bulletproof release Riot has put out in over 2 years. Given what Sion was before I really dont see how anyone could.
"Never do an enemy a small injury." - Machiavelli
Ansibled
Profile Joined November 2014
United Kingdom9872 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-28 04:15:43
February 28 2015 04:13 GMT
#420
Screw Rito they took away my AP Sion...

Anyway. Do you think the Urgot buffs on PBE will make him able to be competitive? I feel like Urgot has such a great kit to deal with Kalista, but he's a bit weird so I don't know.
'StarCraft is just a fairy tale told to scare children actually.'
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