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[Patch 5.3] Lunar Revel General Discussion - Page 17
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Osmoses
Sweden5302 Posts
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Slusher
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sob3k
United States7572 Posts
On February 14 2015 06:50 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: Yes it does, actually, because you're dodging Dark Matter. If Veigar so incredibly ahead he can one shot you with QR, he doesn't even need to stun you so the point is moot. And if someone is that ahead, then it really doesn't matter what champ he's playing lol. W delay is 1.25s. At level 3 Event Horizon, Veigar stuns for 1.3s vs. a Merc Tread target. That is assuming he casts Dark Matter with less than .05s delay, aka instantly, if he wants to hit. Realistically, delay means you need level 4 Event Horizon for a guaranteed hit. If you have level 4 stun, it means you have 3 less levels in W, which is 250 damage less. Combined with the MR Mercs give you, it is extremely unlikely Veigar can one shot you unelss he's incredibly far ahead or until much much later into the game, when you can reasonably be expected to have other MR and HP items as well. This math is wrong because Dark Matter has a AOE you need to walk or dash out of to escape. It takes another half second+ or so to walk out of it, You don't automatically dodge it if you become unCCed before it lands. | ||
Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21248 Posts
On February 14 2015 08:17 sob3k wrote: This math is wrong because Dark Matter has a AOE you need to walk or dash out of to escape. It takes another half second+ or so to walk out of it, You don't automatically dodge it if you become unCCed before it lands. This is league of mobility everyone has dash and blinks out the wazoo these days ; [ | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23460 Posts
On February 14 2015 05:59 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: Drafting is a part of the game too, if you pick a comp that ends up much better than the opposing comp, what's the problem? I mean there's a reason Veigar isn't a top priority pick by any stretch of the imagination, these changes are just gonna take away what little he had to bring to the table. thats dumb logic either he's always good when they pick certain champs leaving certain champs unviable or he's always bad because if you pick veigar they'll pick champs good against him binary shit is bad in general and just because you like veigar the way you've always played him doesn't mean you're right | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
I don't have much counterplay to LB because she should never stay nearby my ult or get hit by the 2nd part of augmented E. She has longer reach than me, kills faster than Veigar too, and is safer in fights. But LB is closer to your definition of counterplay because "herp derp if you get hit by chains it's your fault, just dodge them". (Veigar is still weaker than Viktor in lane save to assist ganks, and shitstomps him over and over once he gets his first item and some levels, the match-up dynamic is pretty fun and I find myself laughing at my first insta-death everytime because I didn't respect him hitting his timing.) | ||
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ShaLLoW[baY]
Canada12499 Posts
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sob3k
United States7572 Posts
1. Q is pretty cool but homogenized, makes his laning safer, allows you to harass and stack at the same time. 2. If veigar doesn't land his stun he cannot land his W. If he doesn't land his W, he loses the fight. .75 stun delay makes it nearly impossible to land your W. This is a MASSIVE nerf. 3. ult straight up nerf conclusion: This is a massive nerf + removal of DFG. This new kit is now incoherent and simply does not function. The only way I can imagine this working is if he can stack so much he is now like an AP nasus who builds tanky as fuck and gets all his damage from stacking, then just Q's stuff and has good teamfight utility late game when being caught in a big circle could actually be bad. | ||
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Slusher
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asymptotech
United States295 Posts
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Ketara
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Prog
United Kingdom1470 Posts
Possible variations are mr blues, armor pen reds. | ||
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Ketara
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Prog
United Kingdom1470 Posts
Edit: e.g. Forgiven runs attack speed blues. | ||
NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
On February 14 2015 10:13 Ketara wrote: People cannot possibly run attack speed blues that is dumb as nails. I don't get why you make retarded posts like this. You asked for what runes ADC mains run then give this kneejerk reaction cause you can't comprehend it at first glance. Yes, the best EU LCS ADC does run AS glyphs. In his recent AMA, he states that MR doesn't help much in lane (he'd rather rely on positioning) and he doesn't save him against AP Mid burst mid/late game. AS Glyphs helps his DPS, so why not. If he's going to survive burst, it's going to be because of his positioning, mechanics, Flash timing, etc, not having 12 additional MR. Forgiven's two ADC rune pages on the EU server. No one here is saying if it's good or bad but it's what a top tier pro is using and he has his reasons. | ||
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Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21248 Posts
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
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Scip
Czech Republic11293 Posts
On February 14 2015 10:35 NeoIllusions wrote: I don't get why you make retarded posts like this. You asked for what runes ADC mains run then give this kneejerk reaction cause you can't comprehend it at first glance. Yes, the best EU LCS ADC does run AS glyphs. In his recent AMA, he states that MR doesn't help much in lane (he'd rather rely on positioning) and he doesn't save him against AP Mid burst mid/late game. AS Glyphs helps his DPS, so why not. If he's going to survive burst, it's going to be because of his positioning, mechanics, Flash timing, etc, not having 12 additional MR. Forgiven's two ADC rune pages on the EU server. No one here is saying if it's good or bad but it's what a top tier pro is using and he has his reasons. Where'd you get these runes? As far as I can see Forgiven doesn't have these runepages on his acc? http://www.lolking.net/summoner/euw/40101302#runes I mean yes, he uses attack speed blues, but he doesn't have the specific runepages that you posted | ||
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