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Fildun
Netherlands4124 Posts
On February 14 2015 06:39 Ketara wrote: There's a lot of champions where if they get ahead enough, coming within 850 range of them is autodeath. Seems like a silly conversation in the first place. I agree | ||
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Osmoses
Sweden5302 Posts
On February 14 2015 06:38 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: I think it's really fun and I think Leblanc and Zed and other skillshot champs are really boring. Fun to play, I'd say thats alot more subjective, but have you played against it? It's pretty dull. | ||
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oo_Wonderful_oo
The land of freedom23126 Posts
On February 14 2015 04:32 Frolossus wrote: katarina gp tryndamere sion nidalee until the jungle changes karma gragas TF jax twitch taric probably many others i can't think of off the top of my head Those are bad reworks? Uhh. On February 14 2015 04:45 whatsupchan wrote: Everyone forget about the miss fortune rework already? Was it even a rework, lol. Rework is drastic change and for MF's playstyle nothing changed at all. | ||
Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21248 Posts
On February 14 2015 06:42 Osmoses wrote: Fun to play, I'd say thats alot more subjective, but have you played against it? It's pretty dull. Playing against Veigar is one of my favorite experiences because I have played so much Veigar that I can predict with really good accuracy when they're coming to stun and preempt it and kill them, whether by fading back or flashing the stun or whatever. | ||
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Osmoses
Sweden5302 Posts
On February 14 2015 06:44 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: Playing against Veigar is one of my favorite experiences because I have played so much Veigar that I can predict with really good accuracy when they're coming to stun and preempt it and kill them, whether by fading back or flashing the stun or whatever. I can understand experience bringing alot more into that matchup, but from a perspective of someone who rarely sees a veigar at all, it's - well you know how I feel about it by now :p | ||
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oo_Wonderful_oo
The land of freedom23126 Posts
On February 14 2015 06:44 Osmoses wrote: I don't even remember most of those reworks lol Half of them is 2012 and earlier, gotta bring Heimerdinger with 4 turrets as well here. Old Karma was hilarious though but Twitch, TF, Nidalee and Sion are definitely successful reworks. Rest in pepperonis, 16 gold parrley though. >: | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
Then later in the game it's like OH MY GOD IS THERE A DWARF IN THIS BUSH? AM I GONNA DIE? | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On February 14 2015 06:40 Osmoses wrote: I just want the tiniest chance of counterplay is all. Some small chance to shine for half a second and then go "booya!" You can do that against most champs, not so much against the ones with instastun followed by 100-0. You complain about wanting counterplay, but also say you don't want to be forced to buy Merc Treads against him. That is literally the simplest counterplay you could get, and it makes it such a non-issue, especially if you get it early enough before he has any real impact. | ||
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Osmoses
Sweden5302 Posts
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Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21248 Posts
On February 14 2015 06:48 Osmoses wrote: That's not counterplay, that's just buying an item lol. Either way, you're saying mercs cut the stun duration so hard veigar can no longer 100-0 me? Yes it does, actually, because you're dodging Dark Matter. If Veigar so incredibly ahead he can one shot you with QR, he doesn't even need to stun you so the point is moot. And if someone is that ahead, then it really doesn't matter what champ he's playing lol. W delay is 1.25s. At level 3 Event Horizon, Veigar stuns for 1.3s vs. a Merc Tread target. That is assuming he casts Dark Matter with less than .05s delay, aka instantly, if he wants to hit. Realistically, delay means you need level 4 Event Horizon for a guaranteed hit. If you have level 4 stun, it means you have 3 less levels in W, which is 250 damage less. Combined with the MR Mercs give you, it is extremely unlikely Veigar can one shot you unelss he's incredibly far ahead or until much much later into the game, when you can reasonably be expected to have other MR and HP items as well. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On February 14 2015 06:48 Osmoses wrote: That's not counterplay, that's just buying an item lol. Either way, you're saying mercs cut the stun duration so hard veigar can no longer 100-0 me? ...yes, that is exactly what I'm saying Tenacity gets you out of stun before W hits you, AND it gives you MR to combat, ya know, his damage. And in what world is buying an item not counterplay? You made a decision and performed an action to combat an opponent's moves/abilities/decisions. | ||
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
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Fildun
Netherlands4124 Posts
On February 14 2015 06:53 jcarlsoniv wrote: ...yes, that is exactly what I'm saying Tenacity gets you out of stun before W hits you, AND it gives you MR to combat, ya know, his damage. And in what world is buying an item not counterplay? You made a decision and performed an action to combat an opponent's moves/abilities/decisions. Get out of here with your logic and reason. This is LLGD. | ||
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Frolossus
United States4779 Posts
On February 14 2015 06:43 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote: Those are bad reworks? Uhh. Was it even a rework, lol. Rework is drastic change and for MF's playstyle nothing changed at all. what part of them was good? every single one of those characters was either deemed more toxic after the rework or rarely saw play because riot ruined them | ||
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Osmoses
Sweden5302 Posts
On February 14 2015 06:53 jcarlsoniv wrote: ...yes, that is exactly what I'm saying Tenacity gets you out of stun before W hits you, AND it gives you MR to combat, ya know, his damage. And in what world is buying an item not counterplay? You made a decision and performed an action to combat an opponent's moves/abilities/decisions. Counterplay entails a "play" whereas buying an item is "strategy", paraphrasing a rito post I read a while back. | ||
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TheHumanSensation
Canada1210 Posts
His ability names and themes are super dumb. Passive, Q and R have names that make enough sense for what they do, so whatever. But then W/E/R also have a space/astronomy theme for some reason that has nothing to do with the character or the rest of his ability names (unless it's silly riot lore implying that equilibrium and being scary are universal concepts / important to the creation of runeterra / something equally dumb / it's not this). Meteors have nothing to do with dark matter. They're both astronomy things, but why are these the same skill? You could make a meteor out of dark matter in theory I guess, but it wouldn't be this purple thing and there's no reason to think it'd do more than a space boulder. Even horizon works backwards. An event horizon is part of the structure of a black hole, a point at which the force of gravity on the inside is so powerful that light cannot escape, but outside the event horizon it still can. It can be thought of as "the point of no return" to some extent, but it's significance comes more from that we can't directly observe black holes beyond the event horizon because of no light. If anything, it should either take the namesake and work like a two-way grave's smokescreen, or be more of a black hole and be a large CC circle with lots of concentric layers, where the middle stuns, the next layer like 99% slows, the next 75%, 50 / 25 / 10 kind of thing, so it slows more the closer you are to the centre. You're not safe on the inside and dead at the edge. What happened to the little nerd who stole a yordle weather balloon or something dumb? Veigar could have the exact same kit using silly / evil / yordle kinds of spells instead of random space-named things that have no relation. I'm thinking like summoning a somewhat inconvenient to walk over circular fence. Or the opposite and keep the stupid little rat with huge powerful magic theme, and just call them as the powerful spells they are (ex// meteor (w) & you're fucking done mate (e)). Needs a complete overhaul. | ||
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Fildun
Netherlands4124 Posts
On February 14 2015 06:55 Osmoses wrote: Yeah dodging dark matter is what I meant. In that case I guess the odds even out, but the rest of his kit is still just press the buttons and click the champs, what do you see in it anyway? I'd argue that ADC is a role that requires skill and is pretty good for the game, but that's just my opinion. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On February 14 2015 06:55 Osmoses wrote: Yeah dodging dark matter is what I meant. In that case I guess the odds even out, but the rest of his kit is still just press the buttons and click the champs, what do you see in it anyway? Counterplay entails a "play" whereas buying an item is "strategy", paraphrasing a rito post I read a while back. What you call it doesn't make you any less wrong for refusing to do it. | ||
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Osmoses
Sweden5302 Posts
On February 14 2015 06:59 Fildun wrote: I'd argue that ADC is a role that requires skill and is pretty good for the game, but that's just my opinion. Because stutter stepping and kiting is the same as pressing qwr and clicking, get out. On February 14 2015 07:01 jcarlsoniv wrote: What you call it doesn't make you any less wrong for refusing to do it. Not refusing anything here, I just don't think it's good design, seriously I'm getting kinda irritated having to reiterate this. | ||
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Fildun
Netherlands4124 Posts
On February 14 2015 07:01 Osmoses wrote: Because stutter stepping and kiting is the same as pressing qwr and clicking, get out. Not refusing anything here, I just don't think it's good design, seriously I'm getting kinda irritated having to reiterate this. Because after all, Veigar just has to stand still and people will walk into Q-R range. He's also a really safe champion that doesn't care about positioning. Please, get out. | ||
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