EPTno wonder your elise sucks so much
[Patch 5.1] Season 5 General Discussion - Page 52
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Slayer91
Ireland23460 Posts
no wonder your elise sucks so much | ||
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Scip
Czech Republic11293 Posts
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Itchy7x
Netherlands36 Posts
W at level 5 = 275 + 80% ap + 140% AS + 25% AS on spiderlings Q at level 5 = 400 base damage + (+ 8% (+ 3% per 100 AP) of target's current health) 8% (+ 3% per 100 AP) of target's missing health. W at level 1 = 75 + 80% AP + 60% AS + 5% AS. What I'm asking here is that is 200 base damage on W + the AS really worth the 300 base damage loss on Q, especially since you won't be auto attacking a lot later into the game? | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23460 Posts
edit: nvm i double counted it's 320 more damage vs 200 more but that doesn't count the spiderform attack speed. | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On January 25 2015 02:45 Itchy7x wrote: Q at level 1 = 100 base damage + 8% (+ 3% per 100 AP) of target's current health) + 8% (+ 3% per 100 AP) of target's missing health. W at level 5 = 275 + 80% ap + 140% AS + 25% AS on spiderlings Q at level 5 = 400 base damage + (+ 8% (+ 3% per 100 AP) of target's current health) 8% (+ 3% per 100 AP) of target's missing health. W at level 1 = 75 + 80% AP + 60% AS + 5% AS. What I'm asking here is that is 200 base damage on W + the AS really worth the 300 base damage loss on Q, especially since you won't be auto attacking a lot later into the game? probably. faster clear lets you keep level advantage, which makes up for the small damage difference. 15m or so you tend to get your jungle cannibalized by the laners anyway, so maximizing what you get in that timespan can put you ahead enough that it doesn't matter as much. late game you aren't really running around using Q all the time for the base damage anyway, you tend to use it for the % damage. | ||
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LaNague
Germany9118 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + Sivir spellshield doesnt block spells, it makes you invulnerable for a small duration when a spell hits it. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23460 Posts
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
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Itchy7x
Netherlands36 Posts
On January 25 2015 02:54 PrinceXizor wrote: probably. faster clear lets you keep level advantage, which makes up for the small damage difference. 15m or so you tend to get your jungle cannibalized by the laners anyway, so maximizing what you get in that timespan can put you ahead enough that it doesn't matter as much. late game you aren't really running around using Q all the time for the base damage anyway, you tend to use it for the % damage. It would make sense but I forgot to mention that Q is on exactly half the CD W is, so you get that damage advantage doubled if you use your CD's optimally, basically its losing 600 damage for 400 damage and since W will also be used for facechecking and you still don't gain extra damage I really don't see the use in maxing W. The attack speed really doesn't matter outside of clearing, it does make sense to maximizing what you can get in the timespan you are strong in, but maxing Q gives you more damage during that time period, and all farming does is make you stronger later into the game which is the period Elise is weaker anyways. On January 25 2015 02:58 Slayer91 wrote: and sivir is still terrible Except shes the strongest AD next to Graves right now. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On January 25 2015 02:54 LaNague wrote: Riot Coding: + Show Spoiler + https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BAppXaD2Dk8 Sivir spellshield doesnt block spells, it makes you invulnerable for a small duration when a spell hits it. I wonder if nocturne's shield does the same thing? also, late to party, but wat runes? | ||
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kongoline
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
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Slayer91
Ireland23460 Posts
On January 25 2015 03:00 Itchy7x wrote: It would make sense but I forgot to mention that Q is on exactly half the CD W is, so you get that damage advantage doubled if you use your CD's optimally, basically its losing 600 damage for 400 damage and since W will also be used for facechecking and you still don't gain extra damage I really don't see the use in maxing W. The attack speed really doesn't matter outside of clearing, it does make sense to maximizing what you can get in the timespan you are strong in, but maxing Q gives you more damage during that time period, and all farming does is make you stronger later into the game which is the period Elise is weaker anyways. Except shes the strongest AD next to Graves right now. STILL TERRIBLE | ||
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
it's a nice bug for her but who cares edit: well she's disabled in competitive so I guess we'll put this theory to the test. | ||
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Itchy7x
Netherlands36 Posts
On January 25 2015 03:01 wei2coolman wrote: I wonder if nocturne's shield does the same thing? also, late to party, but wat runes? I'll just list which are viable, which you want you gotta figure out yourselves. Reds: Hybrid pen, magic pen, armor (for support pages with HP quints), ad, arpen, crit (yasuo), attack speed. Yellows: Armor, hp, hp p level. Blues: Ap p level, AP, MR, MR p level, CDR, CDR p level. Quints: HP, HP regen, AD, AP, MS, 1/2x ArPen (don't recommend), Lifesteal x2 (yasuo), Attack Speed, Armor. Might have missed some but these are the general viable runes you can make combinations with, examples are: Yasuo page: + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/6LH5ecn.png) I use this on ADCarries in bad match ups (except vs Corki) or as a general safe rune page on bruisers that rely on autos for damage. + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/xKqXMk0.png) AP's vs AP mid, in which I like to auto attack. + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/jMTaV4S.png) Bruisers on which I depend on skills for damage, or assassins that rely on their bases to kill people (talon mostly). + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/VI5MOvg.png) Riven, I use the CDR p level blues to cap CDR at level 18 with Brutalizer + CDR boots. + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/FYPtrJ9.png) | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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