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As of page 44, no more placement QQ in GD.
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On January 24 2015 19:34 739 wrote:
GUYS ! What runes for Elise jungle? Cause I've checked meteos/Loulex/Minerva and Xmithie on probuilds and they use AS marks or MPen marks or ARpen/MPen marks + CD glyphs or AP glyphs? No idea which to use.
Well, Chaser and Bengi are using Hybrid Pen/Armor or Scaling Armor/AP/AP.
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On January 24 2015 19:34 739 wrote:
GUYS ! What runes for Elise jungle? Cause I've checked meteos/Loulex/Minerva and Xmithie on probuilds and they use AS marks or MPen marks or ARpen/MPen marks + CD glyphs or AP glyphs? No idea which to use.
Check nightblue3 runes if you can, he is one of the sreamers who put a lot of analysis on what runes/masteries to use overall and he played a lot of elise couple of months ago
edit: http://www.probuilds.net/guide/NA/1690738198/25850956
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Czech Republic11293 Posts
The second Scipaeus Jungling Challenge with Elise is over! For those somewhat interested, but not enough to come over, I present my own take at the challenge, killing all 6 jungle camps in 3:23:
+ Show Spoiler +
You can participate in the new Lee Sin challenge and the previous challenges over here: http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-strategy/475905-the-scipaeus-jungling-challenge
Both Hall of Fame awards have been won by Slayer91 so far, please don't tell me that he's the fastest jungler around here and someone stop him from getting a 3rd one :D
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i really want to make elise work but so far she feel weak, her ganking pressure is very good but clear and dueling potential is meh, the problem i have is if i build tank i lack dmg and if i build dmg im super squishy especially with ap glyphs instead of mr and no mr per level cuz ranged + shitty base hp and hp per level she feels like paper later in the game
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Czech Republic11293 Posts
I'd say it's rather the reverse, her dueling is one of the best if not the best in the early game and her clear is very good (granted you max W first which I'd reccomend), her ganks are passable, if anything is her problem it's how incredibly weak and useless she becomes around levels 12+
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Bearded Elder29905 Posts
Maxing W now instead of Q ? Let's watch your video with Elise.
Edit : Also, I didn't know Elise`s W works that way, that you can cast it different way and it will come and explode in the place you're attacking, lol.
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Czech Republic11293 Posts
It is considered a spiderling and so it moves to the target that you Q when in spiderform. So you should be able to apply the damage of your human W in most cases even in duels and during ganks
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Bearded Elder29905 Posts
Well, I'm learning something new everyday, pretty usefull tip 
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Could you explain the math behind how W max Elise out damages Q max Elise? I understand that it makes her clear faster and better but Elise has no point focussing on clear as she has to gank early to create a lot of pressure, I doubt an exploding spider and the extra attack speed out damages her Q burst. You also have to max E second otherwise it becomes fairly useless so you have to carry the W DPS into late game, I'm pretty sure Q will out damage W at any stage in the game but I'll gladly be proven wrong.
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scip is of the school of jungler thought that clear is primary importance to junglers, because being higher health and having a faster clear lets you gank earlier and safer. dealing 10-15% more damage to champions isn't going to make or break a gank any more than timing or positioning
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He does it because he is scip and he values fast clear more than anything.Even when she was the most played jungler before the nerfs hit he still maxed w.It's just his jungle philosophy.
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who the fuck maxes e second wtf?
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people who gank
aka not scip
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On January 25 2015 02:20 Slayer91 wrote:
who the fuck maxes e second wtf?
Everyone else.
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i mean you basically can't if you start w
E only scales with the stun duration seems terrible to me
a bit less cd too
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Well dunno if it is good or bad but ever since the damage nerfs most people do the cdr r>q>e>w.
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before jungle hand got turned into quill coat, people would get that + CDR boots and max E 2nd for really low stun cd
pretty sure it was popularized by Meteos
after quill coat, the build dissipated so did the build but mabye it's considered good with Juggernaut?
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On January 25 2015 02:24 Slayer91 wrote:
i mean you basically can't if you start w
E only scales with the stun duration seems terrible to me
a bit less cd too
that stun duration is huge
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I understand that W max increases clear and allows you to gank earlier and with more HP, I want to know the math behind it to show me that the W max doesn't sacrifice way too much damage for the rest of the game for an early clear speed that might get you a kill if your gank works out. I would do it myself but I'm away right now, but ganking>clearing on Elise in her current state as she becomes a fairly weak stun-bot after level 11ish (unless you build full AP), so if the W only loses 100 damage for a good clear thats fine, but if you lose 350 damage late-game because you have no points in Q because you have W maxed I wouldn't do it.
On January 25 2015 02:20 Slayer91 wrote:
who the fuck maxes e second wtf?
People who don't want their use in a teamfight to be a measly one second stun. With E maxed you have a 2 second stun for use to pick somebody off or to protect your carries, without E max your stun only lasts 1 second and is pretty useless outside of a situation where somebody can get CC locked before he gets out. The difference between 2 seconds and 1 second is very big.
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Czech Republic11293 Posts
On January 25 2015 02:20 Slayer91 wrote:
who the fuck maxes e second wtf?
I do, I max Q last.
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