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ChilledZero
Profile Joined January 2012
United States16 Posts
January 16 2015 13:24 GMT
#221
Kalista has actually been rendered unplayable in this patch with her passive changes. Her jump is incredibly unreliable now, even when focusing completely on jumping it still fails to cast often or jumps in the completely wrong direction. I don't know if ping has anything to do with this but I play on around 70 ping and had no issues before these changes with Kalista. For a change that is supposed to make her intuitive and easy to play I think they really missed the mark.
That being said I really prefer the new W changes, they help to allow a bot lane with Kalista and a ranged support to proc the W passive for poke much more often.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
January 16 2015 13:29 GMT
#222
On January 16 2015 22:19 M2 wrote:
How hard is yasou to be learned? how many games do you need to become decent with him?


I think I played him on and off for 20 games and I showed essentially no improvements on my mastery over him. Then he got nerfed and his QE interaction was changed. It was pretty heartbreaking.

It's a very difficult champion to play. Additionally, I feel you need very good ping to utilize his W, E, and R effectively.

If you want to learn him, now is the time? He is in a very bad spot, but at least I don't see additional nerfs on the horizon.
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Osmoses
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Sweden5302 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-16 13:29:52
January 16 2015 13:29 GMT
#223
On January 16 2015 22:24 ChilledZero wrote:
Kalista has actually been rendered unplayable in this patch with her passive changes. Her jump is incredibly unreliable now, even when focusing completely on jumping it still fails to cast often or jumps in the completely wrong direction. I don't know if ping has anything to do with this but I play on around 70 ping and had no issues before these changes with Kalista. For a change that is supposed to make her intuitive and easy to play I think they really missed the mark.
That being said I really prefer the new W changes, they help to allow a bot lane with Kalista and a ranged support to proc the W passive for poke much more often.


Sounds like a bug rather than an intended change.
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ChilledZero
Profile Joined January 2012
United States16 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-16 13:30:57
January 16 2015 13:29 GMT
#224
On January 16 2015 22:19 M2 wrote:
How hard is yasou to be learned? how many games do you need to become decent with him?


Yasuo is somewhat difficult to learn, he's in a weak spot right now which makes him a lot harder to learn right now. I would only recommend playing with him in mid, he's not really capable of going head to head with most top laners right now. He will get out damaged and out tanked.
That being said against squishier opponents like mid mages Yasuo can still do well, although again he is still in a bit of a weak spot currently especially considering the IE changes. I would say he takes an above average amount of games to learn the best times to go in and the mechanics of the champion. Maybe 40 or so games.
ChilledZero
Profile Joined January 2012
United States16 Posts
January 16 2015 13:35 GMT
#225
On January 16 2015 22:29 Osmoses wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2015 22:24 ChilledZero wrote:
Kalista has actually been rendered unplayable in this patch with her passive changes. Her jump is incredibly unreliable now, even when focusing completely on jumping it still fails to cast often or jumps in the completely wrong direction. I don't know if ping has anything to do with this but I play on around 70 ping and had no issues before these changes with Kalista. For a change that is supposed to make her intuitive and easy to play I think they really missed the mark.
That being said I really prefer the new W changes, they help to allow a bot lane with Kalista and a ranged support to proc the W passive for poke much more often.


Sounds like a bug rather than an intended change.


Yeah, I just hope they address it soon with a bug fix, some tweaking, or a complete reversion of the changes until they can fix it. I know the patch has only been live for a bit but in the past things like this have been left in the game for a whole patch cycle and I don't want to wait that long
I really enjoyed playing Kalista and was finding a decent amount of success with her.
M2
Profile Joined December 2002
Bulgaria4186 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-16 14:15:41
January 16 2015 14:15 GMT
#226
On January 16 2015 22:29 ChilledZero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2015 22:19 M2 wrote:
How hard is yasou to be learned? how many games do you need to become decent with him?


Yasuo is somewhat difficult to learn, he's in a weak spot right now which makes him a lot harder to learn right now. I would only recommend playing with him in mid, he's not really capable of going head to head with most top laners right now. He will get out damaged and out tanked.
That being said against squishier opponents like mid mages Yasuo can still do well, although again he is still in a bit of a weak spot currently especially considering the IE changes. I would say he takes an above average amount of games to learn the best times to go in and the mechanics of the champion. Maybe 40 or so games.

Oh ok. Thing is that I am bad at playing mages, so mid is not my lane, but I am trying to find smth stable for there as well. Tried Talon, did not like it, its like too easy to fall behind and to be useless with him. Zed is too main stream, thats why I thought about yasuo , since, he is no longer a priority pick, but I guess I have to stick with my Master Yi mid with whom I am dealing pretty well actually
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739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29905 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-16 14:17:15
January 16 2015 14:17 GMT
#227
Zilean mid pretty hipster. Or Galio works pretty well too.
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UmberBane
Profile Joined March 2013
Germany5450 Posts
January 16 2015 14:22 GMT
#228
Is anyone else tired of these 3 character abbreviations? Why do CJ have to tag themselvs as CJE now? Looks shitty. JIN for Jin Air is another example. I can also only guess that their parent company would rather have their players show "Samsung Wraith" instead of "SGS Wraith" on screen. Is Riot enforcing these tags or what? You only started seeing them at Worlds and then when LCK (which is another example) started.
Osmoses
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Sweden5302 Posts
January 16 2015 14:23 GMT
#229
Mid is probably my worst lane. When I'm forced to mid I tend to safe it with morde or gp, but neither of those are very good for the part. Tried ziggs but goddamn if you don't land his q over and over you are labeled garbage forever.

Gonna try cass and xerath instead.
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739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29905 Posts
January 16 2015 14:24 GMT
#230
Play Cass since she's pretty bonkers now. Gonna get hit by nerf hammer pretty soon with that 54% winrate.
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M2
Profile Joined December 2002
Bulgaria4186 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-16 14:30:38
January 16 2015 14:28 GMT
#231
On January 16 2015 23:17 739 wrote:
Zilean mid pretty hipster. Or Galio works pretty well too.

I am decent with Zilean, since, I was former support main and played him a lot, however, I feel kind of awkward with him at mid, since, I can't seem to do anything without my team playing well. Its like harass harass => revive someone. If I really want safe pick mid that actually can make some plays I would go with morgana:-) but again, mages are just not my forte :-))
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Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
January 16 2015 14:42 GMT
#232
On January 16 2015 23:22 UmberBane wrote:
Is anyone else tired of these 3 character abbreviations? Why do CJ have to tag themselvs as CJE now? Looks shitty. JIN for Jin Air is another example. I can also only guess that their parent company would rather have their players show "Samsung Wraith" instead of "SGS Wraith" on screen. Is Riot enforcing these tags or what? You only started seeing them at Worlds and then when LCK (which is another example) started.

What? They changed to JIN from JAG? Booooo.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
January 16 2015 15:11 GMT
#233
JIN as in Jin from Blade and Soul? :p

Btw I like JIN. JAG sounds kind of.... controversial.
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-Frog-
Profile Joined February 2009
United States514 Posts
January 16 2015 16:14 GMT
#234
On January 16 2015 23:23 Osmoses wrote:
Mid is probably my worst lane. When I'm forced to mid I tend to safe it with morde or gp, but neither of those are very good for the part. Tried ziggs but goddamn if you don't land his q over and over you are labeled garbage forever.

Gonna try cass and xerath instead.


Hey maybe you could give Syndra a shot. She's in a really good spot right now and isn't extremely hard to play. She has really solid laning with Q harass and you can set up ganks really easily with your stun combo. The icing on the cake is when you hit 6 and have a point and click ult that can delete squishes.

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Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
January 16 2015 16:32 GMT
#235
I don't know. Syndra is hard to play and she just got nerfed on 5.1. I think he is better off playing Annie.
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Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
January 16 2015 16:54 GMT
#236
On January 17 2015 00:11 Sufficiency wrote:
JIN as in Jin from Blade and Soul? :p

Btw I like JIN. JAG sounds kind of.... controversial.

I liked it because of the tv series.
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
January 16 2015 16:58 GMT
#237
On January 16 2015 23:23 Osmoses wrote:
Mid is probably my worst lane. When I'm forced to mid I tend to safe it with morde or gp, but neither of those are very good for the part. Tried ziggs but goddamn if you don't land his q over and over you are labeled garbage forever.

Gonna try cass and xerath instead.

I recommend stupidly fun poke champions. Those are the easiest to learn and the most fun to play. Vel'Koz and Xerath are especially choice. I personally prefer Vel'Koz just because he's so different from every other champ in the game and nobody knows how to play against him ^_^

Both Xerath and Vel'Koz also completely take over a game if they get just a little bit ahead. Just ask LordTolkien :F:F:F
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krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
January 16 2015 16:59 GMT
#238
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Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
January 16 2015 17:01 GMT
#239
So many games. It's going to be difficult as hell to keep up with the 4 regions. Looking at 54-59 games depending on how Korea Bo3s result. That's almost impossible unless it's literally your job to watch pro League. -.-
Parnage
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States7414 Posts
January 16 2015 17:06 GMT
#240
On January 17 2015 02:01 Gahlo wrote:
So many games. It's going to be difficult as hell to keep up with the 4 regions. Looking at 54-59 games depending on how Korea Bo3s result. That's almost impossible unless it's literally your job to watch pro League. -.-


At this point I think it's best to just pick a region and maybe a team or two you really want to keep up with and use that as your viewing guide. Even then it's a daunting task because you know the other regions have good games on occasion you'll want to watch.
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