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On December 18 2014 11:40 arb wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2014 11:35 Gahlo wrote:On December 18 2014 10:43 cLutZ wrote:On December 18 2014 09:09 arb wrote:On December 18 2014 08:56 kongoline wrote:
is anyone still playing gragas ? he used to be so powerful hard to believe -30% dmg to minions made him trash tier Oo this is league of legends that shouldnt surprise you Yea...and that the fact that everytime someone says something about people overreacting to nerfs, or about how a champ became FOTM without buffs, they are ignoring how the game has changed around said character. For instance, Olaf and Singed are currently suboptimal picks. But with some changes to that speed up item, a few nerfs in the toplane, and a nerf to Lucian they could become FOTM without any buffs. This would not mean that people who are advocating those picks now are correct, and were just secretly smarter than us all, it means they were wrong until they were right. Like a guy who short sold mortgages from 2000-2009, he wasn't smart that whole time, just at the end he was right once. Except that isn't how it happened with Gragas. He was top 3 top laners after people figured out the rework, got some slaps on the wrist, and was immediately dropped. Still minor nerfs leading to characters never being touched again has always been a league of legends thing even if they are completely fine and still pretty strong
My point was that it had nothing to do about the meta shifting away from him.
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On December 18 2014 11:42 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2014 11:40 arb wrote:On December 18 2014 11:35 Gahlo wrote:On December 18 2014 10:43 cLutZ wrote:On December 18 2014 09:09 arb wrote:On December 18 2014 08:56 kongoline wrote:
is anyone still playing gragas ? he used to be so powerful hard to believe -30% dmg to minions made him trash tier Oo this is league of legends that shouldnt surprise you Yea...and that the fact that everytime someone says something about people overreacting to nerfs, or about how a champ became FOTM without buffs, they are ignoring how the game has changed around said character. For instance, Olaf and Singed are currently suboptimal picks. But with some changes to that speed up item, a few nerfs in the toplane, and a nerf to Lucian they could become FOTM without any buffs. This would not mean that people who are advocating those picks now are correct, and were just secretly smarter than us all, it means they were wrong until they were right. Like a guy who short sold mortgages from 2000-2009, he wasn't smart that whole time, just at the end he was right once. Except that isn't how it happened with Gragas. He was top 3 top laners after people figured out the rework, got some slaps on the wrist, and was immediately dropped. Still minor nerfs leading to characters never being touched again has always been a league of legends thing even if they are completely fine and still pretty strong My point was that it had nothing to do about the meta shifting away from him.
gragas i really dont know about, actually mostly quit playing league a while ago
my bad
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On December 18 2014 11:35 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2014 10:43 cLutZ wrote:On December 18 2014 09:09 arb wrote:On December 18 2014 08:56 kongoline wrote:
is anyone still playing gragas ? he used to be so powerful hard to believe -30% dmg to minions made him trash tier Oo this is league of legends that shouldnt surprise you Yea...and that the fact that everytime someone says something about people overreacting to nerfs, or about how a champ became FOTM without buffs, they are ignoring how the game has changed around said character. For instance, Olaf and Singed are currently suboptimal picks. But with some changes to that speed up item, a few nerfs in the toplane, and a nerf to Lucian they could become FOTM without any buffs. This would not mean that people who are advocating those picks now are correct, and were just secretly smarter than us all, it means they were wrong until they were right. Like a guy who short sold mortgages from 2000-2009, he wasn't smart that whole time, just at the end he was right once. Except that isn't how it happened with Gragas. He was top 3 top laners after people figured out the rework, got some slaps on the wrist, and was immediately dropped.
i also thought they were minor but I forgot about W mana cost and tbh its huge nerf, before u could abuse passive for sustain and free healing in lane now u cant do that anymore
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On December 18 2014 11:42 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2014 11:40 arb wrote:On December 18 2014 11:35 Gahlo wrote:On December 18 2014 10:43 cLutZ wrote:On December 18 2014 09:09 arb wrote:On December 18 2014 08:56 kongoline wrote:
is anyone still playing gragas ? he used to be so powerful hard to believe -30% dmg to minions made him trash tier Oo this is league of legends that shouldnt surprise you Yea...and that the fact that everytime someone says something about people overreacting to nerfs, or about how a champ became FOTM without buffs, they are ignoring how the game has changed around said character. For instance, Olaf and Singed are currently suboptimal picks. But with some changes to that speed up item, a few nerfs in the toplane, and a nerf to Lucian they could become FOTM without any buffs. This would not mean that people who are advocating those picks now are correct, and were just secretly smarter than us all, it means they were wrong until they were right. Like a guy who short sold mortgages from 2000-2009, he wasn't smart that whole time, just at the end he was right once. Except that isn't how it happened with Gragas. He was top 3 top laners after people figured out the rework, got some slaps on the wrist, and was immediately dropped. Still minor nerfs leading to characters never being touched again has always been a league of legends thing even if they are completely fine and still pretty strong My point was that it had nothing to do about the meta shifting away from him.
I think it kinda did, but its irrelevant. My point mostly was that the nerfs were actually significant, and that those people who in the future will try to crow in a hypothetical situation where he returns (without buffs) will be wrong.
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On December 18 2014 11:59 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2014 11:42 Gahlo wrote:On December 18 2014 11:40 arb wrote:On December 18 2014 11:35 Gahlo wrote:On December 18 2014 10:43 cLutZ wrote:On December 18 2014 09:09 arb wrote:On December 18 2014 08:56 kongoline wrote:
is anyone still playing gragas ? he used to be so powerful hard to believe -30% dmg to minions made him trash tier Oo this is league of legends that shouldnt surprise you Yea...and that the fact that everytime someone says something about people overreacting to nerfs, or about how a champ became FOTM without buffs, they are ignoring how the game has changed around said character. For instance, Olaf and Singed are currently suboptimal picks. But with some changes to that speed up item, a few nerfs in the toplane, and a nerf to Lucian they could become FOTM without any buffs. This would not mean that people who are advocating those picks now are correct, and were just secretly smarter than us all, it means they were wrong until they were right. Like a guy who short sold mortgages from 2000-2009, he wasn't smart that whole time, just at the end he was right once. Except that isn't how it happened with Gragas. He was top 3 top laners after people figured out the rework, got some slaps on the wrist, and was immediately dropped. Still minor nerfs leading to characters never being touched again has always been a league of legends thing even if they are completely fine and still pretty strong My point was that it had nothing to do about the meta shifting away from him. I think it kinda did, but its irrelevant. My point mostly was that the nerfs were actually significant, and that those people who in the future will try to crow in a hypothetical situation where he returns (without buffs) will be wrong.
He has been played in Champions preseason, albeit sparingly, and of the 3 big top laners at the time(himself, Nidalee, and Maokai), Maokai is still played.
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On December 18 2014 11:35 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2014 10:43 cLutZ wrote:On December 18 2014 09:09 arb wrote:On December 18 2014 08:56 kongoline wrote:
is anyone still playing gragas ? he used to be so powerful hard to believe -30% dmg to minions made him trash tier Oo this is league of legends that shouldnt surprise you Yea...and that the fact that everytime someone says something about people overreacting to nerfs, or about how a champ became FOTM without buffs, they are ignoring how the game has changed around said character. For instance, Olaf and Singed are currently suboptimal picks. But with some changes to that speed up item, a few nerfs in the toplane, and a nerf to Lucian they could become FOTM without any buffs. This would not mean that people who are advocating those picks now are correct, and were just secretly smarter than us all, it means they were wrong until they were right. Like a guy who short sold mortgages from 2000-2009, he wasn't smart that whole time, just at the end he was right once. Except that isn't how it happened with Gragas. He was top 3 top laners after people figured out the rework, got some slaps on the wrist, and was immediately dropped.
The mana cost on his W is actually a pretty big nerf. It has basically the same cooldown as his passive, so you could use it ~7 times per minute for free sustain. After the nerf, it would cost 210 mana per minute.
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On December 18 2014 12:28 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2014 11:59 cLutZ wrote:On December 18 2014 11:42 Gahlo wrote:On December 18 2014 11:40 arb wrote:On December 18 2014 11:35 Gahlo wrote:On December 18 2014 10:43 cLutZ wrote:On December 18 2014 09:09 arb wrote:On December 18 2014 08:56 kongoline wrote:
is anyone still playing gragas ? he used to be so powerful hard to believe -30% dmg to minions made him trash tier Oo this is league of legends that shouldnt surprise you Yea...and that the fact that everytime someone says something about people overreacting to nerfs, or about how a champ became FOTM without buffs, they are ignoring how the game has changed around said character. For instance, Olaf and Singed are currently suboptimal picks. But with some changes to that speed up item, a few nerfs in the toplane, and a nerf to Lucian they could become FOTM without any buffs. This would not mean that people who are advocating those picks now are correct, and were just secretly smarter than us all, it means they were wrong until they were right. Like a guy who short sold mortgages from 2000-2009, he wasn't smart that whole time, just at the end he was right once. Except that isn't how it happened with Gragas. He was top 3 top laners after people figured out the rework, got some slaps on the wrist, and was immediately dropped. Still minor nerfs leading to characters never being touched again has always been a league of legends thing even if they are completely fine and still pretty strong My point was that it had nothing to do about the meta shifting away from him. I think it kinda did, but its irrelevant. My point mostly was that the nerfs were actually significant, and that those people who in the future will try to crow in a hypothetical situation where he returns (without buffs) will be wrong. He has been played in Champions preseason, albeit sparingly, and of the 3 big top laners at the time(himself, Nidalee, and Maokai), Maokai is still played.
Well we surely know that nothing has changed the meta between his nerfs and preseason.
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Reading the comments in the Caster Comix reddit thread for their Curse Academy strip and seeing a bunch of people wishing TL would buy them is amusing to me.
On December 18 2014 13:01 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2014 12:28 Gahlo wrote:On December 18 2014 11:59 cLutZ wrote:On December 18 2014 11:42 Gahlo wrote:On December 18 2014 11:40 arb wrote:On December 18 2014 11:35 Gahlo wrote:On December 18 2014 10:43 cLutZ wrote:On December 18 2014 09:09 arb wrote:On December 18 2014 08:56 kongoline wrote:
is anyone still playing gragas ? he used to be so powerful hard to believe -30% dmg to minions made him trash tier Oo this is league of legends that shouldnt surprise you Yea...and that the fact that everytime someone says something about people overreacting to nerfs, or about how a champ became FOTM without buffs, they are ignoring how the game has changed around said character. For instance, Olaf and Singed are currently suboptimal picks. But with some changes to that speed up item, a few nerfs in the toplane, and a nerf to Lucian they could become FOTM without any buffs. This would not mean that people who are advocating those picks now are correct, and were just secretly smarter than us all, it means they were wrong until they were right. Like a guy who short sold mortgages from 2000-2009, he wasn't smart that whole time, just at the end he was right once. Except that isn't how it happened with Gragas. He was top 3 top laners after people figured out the rework, got some slaps on the wrist, and was immediately dropped. Still minor nerfs leading to characters never being touched again has always been a league of legends thing even if they are completely fine and still pretty strong My point was that it had nothing to do about the meta shifting away from him. I think it kinda did, but its irrelevant. My point mostly was that the nerfs were actually significant, and that those people who in the future will try to crow in a hypothetical situation where he returns (without buffs) will be wrong. He has been played in Champions preseason, albeit sparingly, and of the 3 big top laners at the time(himself, Nidalee, and Maokai), Maokai is still played. Well we surely know that nothing has changed the meta between his nerfs and preseason.
Regale me on how the top lane meta has changed from bruiser/tank/ap with zoning or dive potential and can survive a 2v1 after possibly aiding in a jungle buddy system.
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watching dyrus stream didnt realize hes burn out on league so hard s4 was supposed to be his last but they couldnt find good enough replacement Oo
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On December 18 2014 14:04 kongoline wrote:
watching dyrus stream didnt realize hes burn out on league so hard s4 was supposed to be his last but they couldnt find good enough replacement Oo
Yeah but it's not surprising tbh. Not many pros are left that have been playing at a pro level since S1 due to poor play or burnout.
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On December 18 2014 13:59 Complete wrote:...ya but why? lol
More skillshots to aim/dodge of course 
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On December 18 2014 13:59 Complete wrote:...ya but why? lol
Because sometimes people are curious.
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Jungle Olaf seems really strong this patch, I actually took poachers to fuck around and I could clear camps basically instantly with Q E smite and just zoom away.
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played jungle chogath, the chilling smite guarantee's knockup with Q, unless they flash. Might make Q maxing worth it in jungle.
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On December 18 2014 13:39 Gahlo wrote:Reading the comments in the Caster Comix reddit thread for their Curse Academy strip and seeing a bunch of people wishing TL would buy them is amusing to me. Show nested quote +On December 18 2014 13:01 cLutZ wrote:On December 18 2014 12:28 Gahlo wrote:On December 18 2014 11:59 cLutZ wrote:On December 18 2014 11:42 Gahlo wrote:On December 18 2014 11:40 arb wrote:On December 18 2014 11:35 Gahlo wrote:On December 18 2014 10:43 cLutZ wrote:On December 18 2014 09:09 arb wrote:On December 18 2014 08:56 kongoline wrote:
is anyone still playing gragas ? he used to be so powerful hard to believe -30% dmg to minions made him trash tier Oo this is league of legends that shouldnt surprise you Yea...and that the fact that everytime someone says something about people overreacting to nerfs, or about how a champ became FOTM without buffs, they are ignoring how the game has changed around said character. For instance, Olaf and Singed are currently suboptimal picks. But with some changes to that speed up item, a few nerfs in the toplane, and a nerf to Lucian they could become FOTM without any buffs. This would not mean that people who are advocating those picks now are correct, and were just secretly smarter than us all, it means they were wrong until they were right. Like a guy who short sold mortgages from 2000-2009, he wasn't smart that whole time, just at the end he was right once. Except that isn't how it happened with Gragas. He was top 3 top laners after people figured out the rework, got some slaps on the wrist, and was immediately dropped. Still minor nerfs leading to characters never being touched again has always been a league of legends thing even if they are completely fine and still pretty strong My point was that it had nothing to do about the meta shifting away from him. I think it kinda did, but its irrelevant. My point mostly was that the nerfs were actually significant, and that those people who in the future will try to crow in a hypothetical situation where he returns (without buffs) will be wrong. He has been played in Champions preseason, albeit sparingly, and of the 3 big top laners at the time(himself, Nidalee, and Maokai), Maokai is still played. Well we surely know that nothing has changed the meta between his nerfs and preseason. Regale me on how the top lane meta has changed from bruiser/tank/ap with zoning or dive potential and can survive a 2v1 after possibly aiding in a jungle buddy system.
Aggressive pushing and zoning 1-4 is much stronger due to the jungle changes. Damage based scaling has improved slightly due to Dragon changes. Ryze was nerfed, removing a significantly stronger AP-Tanky Mage from the toplane pool. Janna nerfs seem to have pushed her to a lower tier, removing a different displacement option from comps. Oh, and Gnar now exists.
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Seriously, as Olaf I find myself hitting full build too fast. Glory, Bork, Warrior enchant, Visage, Frozen Heart, Boots as req. You clear the jungle like instantly and have no sticking problems unless it's like Blue Build Ezreal.
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On December 18 2014 17:03 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
Seriously, as Olaf I find myself hitting full build too fast. Glory, Bork, Warrior enchant, Visage, Frozen Heart, Boots as req. You clear the jungle like instantly and have no sticking problems unless it's like Blue Build Ezreal.
How do you not blow up with that build? My guess is that you go jungle item -> Glory -> BotRK -> Warrior, then resistance item depending on needs, but before that even building FH+Warmogs Olaf just exploded, and you're building less survivability than that (less HP/regen on Glory), and later.
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