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Celial
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
2602 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-28 15:15:52
November 28 2014 15:14 GMT
#821
man guys im really thankful that you helped me out with ADC advice, its by far FAR my worst role (although i play quinn top/mid when i have to go there), it helped my botlane understanding (main support now) sooooooo much and i can atleast hold myself in lane now! really helped me understand the relative strength of my lane vs them and when do go balls2walls and when to just protect carry/farm out

u da best
Do not regret. Always forward, never back.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
November 28 2014 15:29 GMT
#822
I think I understand the overall match-ups better than my average AD when I play support (doesn't mean I always play them well though, dem level 1 deaths as Lulu vs Leona), but when I'm playing AD I don't have the slightest idea whether or not I'm stronger, when I should play how, etc. (that I generally pick Graves or Sivir doesn't help, I at least know that Caitlyn is bad for him, and so are Varus/Kog/Corki if the support match-up doesn't let him all-in, but apart from that they're never picked so I can't learn from the guys I'm supporting in soloQ and I have no idea how he's supposed to play to be stronger than Lucian for example).
Oftimes my support will initiate good fights and/or trades and create space, but I won't be in a good position to follow-up and it'll be a missed opportunity. I'm not too sure if playing support really helps learning AD more-I mean, obviously it does, but considering how support was one of my main roles in soloQ (I was generally doing top/support or jungle/support, depending on period) and AD's still my worst by far, I think there's a limit as to what it can teach you.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Celial
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
2602 Posts
November 28 2014 15:35 GMT
#823
On November 29 2014 00:29 Alaric wrote:
I think I understand the overall match-ups better than my average AD when I play support (doesn't mean I always play them well though, dem level 1 deaths as Lulu vs Leona), but when I'm playing AD I don't have the slightest idea whether or not I'm stronger, when I should play how, etc. (that I generally pick Graves or Sivir doesn't help, I at least know that Caitlyn is bad for him, and so are Varus/Kog/Corki if the support match-up doesn't let him all-in, but apart from that they're never picked so I can't learn from the guys I'm supporting in soloQ and I have no idea how he's supposed to play to be stronger than Lucian for example).
Oftimes my support will initiate good fights and/or trades and create space, but I won't be in a good position to follow-up and it'll be a missed opportunity. I'm not too sure if playing support really helps learning AD more-I mean, obviously it does, but considering how support was one of my main roles in soloQ (I was generally doing top/support or jungle/support, depending on period) and AD's still my worst by far, I think there's a limit as to what it can teach you.


yeah well i barely got gold5, i had literally ZERO idea how ADCs progress through the game :D

now i can make atleast educated guesses

any knowledge at all is good in my book, also i remember back when EG was having some internal problems wickd was playing a lot of ADC to understand petes point of view more
Do not regret. Always forward, never back.
anmolsinghmzn2009
Profile Joined June 2011
India1783 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-28 16:00:07
November 28 2014 15:36 GMT
#824
A lot of how to play botlane is your movement and positioning relative to your lane partner, respecting the range of their initiate and cc and recognising power spikes provided by ultimates and such.

In all-ins as adc when you stutter step you want to position yourself in a way that both the opposing laners can't hit you at the same time. You want one of them to be between you and the other at all times.

And generally as any laner being aware of your minions and their health at any given time to anticipate when your opponent will move forward to cs and using the to your advantage is important. Obviously trying to keep track of that while csing effectively is difficult and is something I fail at miserably.
Dunk first. Ask questions while dunking.
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29904 Posts
November 28 2014 15:43 GMT
#825
Anyone gambling with Mystery Skins? Got Happy Elf Teemo, RocketGirl Tristana and Jurassic Kog'Maw :3
WriterSalty oldboy that loves memes | One and only back-to-back Liquibet Winner
padfoota
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Taiwan1571 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-28 15:55:42
November 28 2014 15:55 GMT
#826
Theres a reason why they say supports can be good adcs but adcs cant be good supports. At least not instantly
Stop procrastinating
RouaF
Profile Joined October 2010
France4121 Posts
November 28 2014 16:55 GMT
#827
In other news, my favourite caster (by far) won't be casting the lcs anymore =(

Source : http://np.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/2nob58/leigh_deman_smith_leaves_riot_and_joins_esl_tv/
LaNague
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany9118 Posts
November 28 2014 16:56 GMT
#828
Quickshot guy and no deman will be too much for me, rip Eu LCS.
St3MoR
Profile Joined November 2002
Spain3256 Posts
November 28 2014 17:33 GMT
#829
yeah Deman was my favourite from EU LCS too
Prophet in TL of the Makoto0124 ways
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29904 Posts
November 28 2014 17:40 GMT
#830
What? No Deman and Quickshot guy stays? Holy crap, time to mute EU LCS again.
WriterSalty oldboy that loves memes | One and only back-to-back Liquibet Winner
Vaporized
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1471 Posts
November 28 2014 19:43 GMT
#831
Anyone here playing kalista?

I take back what i said about her needing buffs. She is strong enough. The most effective build ive found is ghostblade ie lw.
Zdrastochye
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
November 28 2014 21:04 GMT
#832
On November 29 2014 00:55 padfoota wrote:
Theres a reason why they say supports can be good adcs but adcs cant be good supports. At least not instantly


I main support and never really play adc but I'd consider myself worse at adc than any other role. I feel like I play fine but get too greedy and farm too much/miss one fight and then the game becomes so much harder for me. Then again in my division (bronze) anything can happen.
Hey! How you doin'?
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
November 28 2014 21:39 GMT
#833
Well at least Mundo actually beats Kalista level 1 if he gets in melee range with her.
Trying to kill her otherwise, though... ._. Man I know I don't hit every single cleaver (cough), but even cornering her against a wall to reduce the directions she can juke too, it's obnoxious if she's decent. :<
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
JazzVortical
Profile Joined July 2013
Australia1825 Posts
November 28 2014 21:54 GMT
#834
On November 29 2014 00:43 739 wrote:
Anyone gambling with Mystery Skins? Got Happy Elf Teemo, RocketGirl Tristana and Jurassic Kog'Maw :3

I received Darkflame Shyvana and Ravenborne Leblanc. I don't play either of them all that much, but they are pretty good skins.
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
November 28 2014 21:57 GMT
#835
I justified my old mystery skin purchases as something to use if I ever got that champ in an ARAM lol.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
November 28 2014 22:07 GMT
#836
I find mystery gifting only worthwhile on my smurf which has few champions. But even so, i feel i got too many champions there.

For example i really want a Janna skin on my smurf but all i got was Nunu Bot.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-28 23:39:20
November 28 2014 23:37 GMT
#837
Had to play Naut top after a communication issue. Against Gnar. Then I thought that Naut used to be able to lane top. At least it made the issues of mobility creep pretty clear. Impossible to even try to farm from level 2, be it in the middle of the lane or under tower.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
November 28 2014 23:52 GMT
#838
I don't think Nautilus vs Gnar toplane is an issue of mobility creep. lol.
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
Zdrastochye
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
November 28 2014 23:53 GMT
#839
Nah, I keep losing my Blitz top vs Gnar matchups too. Clear mobility creep problem.
Hey! How you doin'?
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-29 01:08:10
November 29 2014 01:07 GMT
#840
On November 29 2014 06:04 Zdrastochye wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2014 00:55 padfoota wrote:
Theres a reason why they say supports can be good adcs but adcs cant be good supports. At least not instantly


I main support and never really play adc but I'd consider myself worse at adc than any other role. I feel like I play fine but get too greedy and farm too much/miss one fight and then the game becomes so much harder for me. Then again in my division (bronze) anything can happen.


I'm too lazy to CS. That's my problem with being AD.

The entire reason I chose to be a support/ jungle main was so I wouldn't have to CS. Have not regretted the decision ever.



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