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Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-28 18:40:15
May 28 2014 18:39 GMT
#1021
cuddles was so much better why did you edit
are you insecure about your sexuality
Fildun
Profile Joined December 2012
Netherlands4123 Posts
May 28 2014 18:41 GMT
#1022
On May 29 2014 03:35 Slayer91 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2014 03:34 Fildun wrote:
On May 29 2014 03:33 Slayer91 wrote:
ùnfortunately destroy isnt funny

Spectating you is funny



Show nested quote +
On May 29 2014 01:48 Slayer91 wrote:
unfortunately rape isn't funny


I disagree.

User was warned for this post
TankWithBank
Profile Joined May 2014
25 Posts
May 28 2014 18:56 GMT
#1023
How do you guys feel about Hydra on nocturne?
I feel that AS is extremely overrated on nocturne, I tried out hydra and liked it better than BoTRK.
FF -> hydra -> defense
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
May 28 2014 19:02 GMT
#1024
On May 29 2014 03:56 TankWithBank wrote:
How do you guys feel about Hydra on nocturne?
I feel that AS is extremely overrated on nocturne, I tried out hydra and liked it better than BoTRK.
FF -> hydra -> defense

BotRK has nice utility slow active, also has better synergy with feral flare. But, nocturne and feral flare are both sort of in a crappy spot at the moment, the last round of feral flare nerfs made nocturne sorta meh.
liftlift > tsm
TankWithBank
Profile Joined May 2014
25 Posts
May 28 2014 19:18 GMT
#1025
On May 29 2014 04:02 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2014 03:56 TankWithBank wrote:
How do you guys feel about Hydra on nocturne?
I feel that AS is extremely overrated on nocturne, I tried out hydra and liked it better than BoTRK.
FF -> hydra -> defense

BotRK has nice utility slow active, also has better synergy with feral flare. But, nocturne and feral flare are both sort of in a crappy spot at the moment, the last round of feral flare nerfs made nocturne sorta meh.


He is still pretty strong in my opinion. I had a 60%+ winrate with him before FF, so a nerfed FF is still definitely a buff to Nocturne overall.
But yeah, I'm glad they tone it down a bit so people stop banning him
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-28 19:21:09
May 28 2014 19:20 GMT
#1026
On May 29 2014 03:41 Fildun wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2014 03:35 Slayer91 wrote:
On May 29 2014 03:34 Fildun wrote:
On May 29 2014 03:33 Slayer91 wrote:
ùnfortunately destroy isnt funny

Spectating you is funny



On May 29 2014 01:48 Slayer91 wrote:
unfortunately rape isn't funny


I disagree.


thats because you are a chauvinist pig
HOOOOOOOOOO
..ur the guy that mained sejuani right

User was warned for this post
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-28 19:36:25
May 28 2014 19:29 GMT
#1027
On May 29 2014 03:56 TankWithBank wrote:
How do you guys feel about Hydra on nocturne?
I feel that AS is extremely overrated on nocturne, I tried out hydra and liked it better than BoTRK.
FF -> hydra -> defense

Between flare, Q and blade if you get it, it's upwards of 100 bonus damage per hit. AS isn't a bad stat on noct because so much of his damage is in auto attacks and not spells. Also blade helps him stick to targets, something hydra doesn't.

Also if you've ever played flare>blade>ghostblade nocturne, it's pretty fucking awesome if you're snowballed to all hell.
Porouscloud - NA LoL
Fildun
Profile Joined December 2012
Netherlands4123 Posts
May 28 2014 19:48 GMT
#1028
On May 29 2014 04:20 Slayer91 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2014 03:41 Fildun wrote:
On May 29 2014 03:35 Slayer91 wrote:
On May 29 2014 03:34 Fildun wrote:
On May 29 2014 03:33 Slayer91 wrote:
ùnfortunately destroy isnt funny

Spectating you is funny



On May 29 2014 01:48 Slayer91 wrote:
unfortunately rape isn't funny


I disagree.


thats because you are a chauvinist pig
HOOOOOOOOOO
..ur the guy that mained sejuani right

Bro you haven't been at inhouses for so long you don't even know.
I mained Sejuani 9 months ago. pls
Bam Lee
Profile Joined June 2012
2336 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-28 19:56:52
May 28 2014 19:53 GMT
#1029
Wrong thread sorry~

User was warned for this post
Diamond
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States10796 Posts
May 28 2014 20:05 GMT
#1030
More confirmation of ESGN TV troubles: http://www.ongamers.com/articles/esgn-having-financial-difficulties-unable-to-pay-employees/1100-1581/

Honestly, I have no idea how they thought ESGN TV would work, they made some of the hands down worst programming I have ever seen in E-Sports. I watched a LoL fight night that had all 10 people in studio. Yet they forgot to line up the scoreboard all event. Just stupid stuff like "How the hell did you forget that?"
Ballistix Gaming Global Gaming/Esports Marketing Manager - twitter.com/esvdiamond
TankWithBank
Profile Joined May 2014
25 Posts
May 28 2014 20:12 GMT
#1031
On May 29 2014 04:29 Amui wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2014 03:56 TankWithBank wrote:
How do you guys feel about Hydra on nocturne?
I feel that AS is extremely overrated on nocturne, I tried out hydra and liked it better than BoTRK.
FF -> hydra -> defense

Between flare, Q and blade if you get it, it's upwards of 100 bonus damage per hit. AS isn't a bad stat on noct because so much of his damage is in auto attacks and not spells. Also blade helps him stick to targets, something hydra doesn't.

Also if you've ever played flare>blade>ghostblade nocturne, it's pretty fucking awesome if you're snowballed to all hell.


botrk is definitely a better choice in 1v1 situation.
But hydra:
-Farm camps noticeably faster
-Allows you to waveclear/split push
-Better team fight.

You can stick to a target already with your q and e, Botrk active might be nice but i dont think it is essential.
Probably just my style of how I play nocturne, but I honestly feel like you can do a lot more for your team with hydra.
ParadeofMadness
Profile Joined February 2014
United Kingdom1027 Posts
May 28 2014 20:13 GMT
#1032
Is ESGN the show that flew chaox and phantomlord to germany?
See Noob, Flame Noob. Top Lane main. 120ping master race Aspire to be one man rape train : choo-choo- yamedie~ mothafucka
Diamond
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States10796 Posts
May 28 2014 20:14 GMT
#1033
On May 29 2014 05:13 ParadeofMadness wrote:
Is ESGN the show that flew chaox and phantomlord to germany?


Yes. That's the LoL show I watched of theirs, I made it about 7 mins before I turned it off in pure anger over that much money being used to make such an awful product.
Ballistix Gaming Global Gaming/Esports Marketing Manager - twitter.com/esvdiamond
ParadeofMadness
Profile Joined February 2014
United Kingdom1027 Posts
May 28 2014 20:18 GMT
#1034
On May 29 2014 05:14 Diamond wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2014 05:13 ParadeofMadness wrote:
Is ESGN the show that flew chaox and phantomlord to germany?


Yes. That's the LoL show I watched of theirs, I made it about 7 mins before I turned it off in pure anger over that much money being used to make such an awful product.


Yeah that show was fucking terrible...
See Noob, Flame Noob. Top Lane main. 120ping master race Aspire to be one man rape train : choo-choo- yamedie~ mothafucka
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
May 28 2014 20:26 GMT
#1035
On May 29 2014 05:12 TankWithBank wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2014 04:29 Amui wrote:
On May 29 2014 03:56 TankWithBank wrote:
How do you guys feel about Hydra on nocturne?
I feel that AS is extremely overrated on nocturne, I tried out hydra and liked it better than BoTRK.
FF -> hydra -> defense

Between flare, Q and blade if you get it, it's upwards of 100 bonus damage per hit. AS isn't a bad stat on noct because so much of his damage is in auto attacks and not spells. Also blade helps him stick to targets, something hydra doesn't.

Also if you've ever played flare>blade>ghostblade nocturne, it's pretty fucking awesome if you're snowballed to all hell.


botrk is definitely a better choice in 1v1 situation.
But hydra:
-Farm camps noticeably faster
-Allows you to waveclear/split push
-Better team fight.

You can stick to a target already with your q and e, Botrk active might be nice but i dont think it is essential.
Probably just my style of how I play nocturne, but I honestly feel like you can do a lot more for your team with hydra.

If you place q correctly, you can kill every small minion within 2 passive autos+q. Hydra would simply kill the small ones when the big one is the limiting factor in many cases. Not a significant clear speed increase over blade. Maybe an auto or two less, but blade attacks faster.

2. Noct has one of the best kits for waveclearing on minimal items already? And if you split you can expect 1v1, so blade is better.

3. Very questionable. Maybe if you're relying on the ultqhydraauto burst, but blades active is much higher impact. A squishy who can't kite is going to die very quickly to noct.
Porouscloud - NA LoL
orzeu
Profile Joined September 2013
Poland5205 Posts
May 28 2014 20:29 GMT
#1036
On May 29 2014 05:05 Diamond wrote:
More confirmation of ESGN TV troubles: http://www.ongamers.com/articles/esgn-having-financial-difficulties-unable-to-pay-employees/1100-1581/

Honestly, I have no idea how they thought ESGN TV would work, they made some of the hands down worst programming I have ever seen in E-Sports. I watched a LoL fight night that had all 10 people in studio. Yet they forgot to line up the scoreboard all event. Just stupid stuff like "How the hell did you forget that?"

That was obvious from start. They didn't have camera talent or viable business plan.
I can't believe how retarded ppl were to move across ocean without contracts to work in company that was link to azubu/sapinda and everyone in industry was talking how shady it was.
SagaZ
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
France3460 Posts
May 28 2014 20:31 GMT
#1037
hydra nocturne is bad, doesn't do anything
Be nice, buy wards and don't feed double buff.
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
May 28 2014 20:36 GMT
#1038
On May 29 2014 05:14 Diamond wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2014 05:13 ParadeofMadness wrote:
Is ESGN the show that flew chaox and phantomlord to germany?


Yes. That's the LoL show I watched of theirs, I made it about 7 mins before I turned it off in pure anger over that much money being used to make such an awful product.


How can you hate on the thing that gave us this
Glorious SEA doto
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-28 20:40:10
May 28 2014 20:36 GMT
#1039
On May 29 2014 03:56 TankWithBank wrote:
How do you guys feel about Hydra on nocturne?
I feel that AS is extremely overrated on nocturne, I tried out hydra and liked it better than BoTRK.
FF -> hydra -> defense

Attackspeed is nocturne's hardest scaling stat after flare transforms
On May 29 2014 04:02 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2014 03:56 TankWithBank wrote:
How do you guys feel about Hydra on nocturne?
I feel that AS is extremely overrated on nocturne, I tried out hydra and liked it better than BoTRK.
FF -> hydra -> defense

BotRK has nice utility slow active, also has better synergy with feral flare. But, nocturne and feral flare are both sort of in a crappy spot at the moment, the last round of feral flare nerfs made nocturne sorta meh.

Wat he's one of the strongest junglers in soloqueue at the moment

But yeah don't get hydra that's a terrible idea lol

You'd seriously consider that over BotRK? One proc over stealing movespeed + an extra damage skill + flare affinity? Are you having trouble clearing camps or something? Perhaps you need to aim Q better...

Also for the record, you should be going madred's -> BotRK -> Wriggles/FF (should be at about 30 stacks on average when you have enough money to finish Wriggles, I consistently manage 28-29)
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
DonKey_
Profile Joined May 2010
Liechtenstein1356 Posts
May 28 2014 20:40 GMT
#1040
On May 29 2014 05:36 Fusilero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2014 05:14 Diamond wrote:
On May 29 2014 05:13 ParadeofMadness wrote:
Is ESGN the show that flew chaox and phantomlord to germany?


Yes. That's the LoL show I watched of theirs, I made it about 7 mins before I turned it off in pure anger over that much money being used to make such an awful product.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bPFythwxa0
How can you hate on the thing that gave us this

I swear this is so beautiful, I had to do a double take cause I thought it was fake.
`Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad.'
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