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Updated TL LoL policy in regards to the use of "lomo"

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Celial
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
2602 Posts
May 12 2014 13:27 GMT
#541
I have a ~70% winrate in Silver 2. All roles. http://www.lolking.net/summoner/euw/22179814#ranked-stats

Basically, I am challenge(d)r level material.
Do not regret. Always forward, never back.
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29904 Posts
May 12 2014 13:37 GMT
#542
On May 12 2014 22:27 Celial wrote:
I have a ~70% winrate in Silver 2. All roles. http://www.lolking.net/summoner/euw/22179814#ranked-stats

Basically, I am challenge(d)r level material.

Yasuo feeder !
WriterSalty oldboy that loves memes | One and only back-to-back Liquibet Winner
chalice
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1945 Posts
May 12 2014 13:44 GMT
#543
if they don't bring back urf they should at least make it a single player custom practice mode. i think being able to get some real repetition on stuff like malphite/tristana/kha'zix full skills + item active mid-air combos was a good way to improve.

like i haven't played malphite once in a real game since, but i'm probably twice the player i was on him before just by spamming urf games and deleting people on ult/dfg cooldown.
Celial
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
2602 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-12 13:48:15
May 12 2014 13:47 GMT
#544
On May 12 2014 22:37 739 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2014 22:27 Celial wrote:
I have a ~70% winrate in Silver 2. All roles. http://www.lolking.net/summoner/euw/22179814#ranked-stats

Basically, I am challenge(d)r level material.

Yasuo feeder !


Well, I started just a few weeks ago in Bronze 3. So there is that. In my experience, if I compare the games I'm in with what streamers play, the only difference is that games down here are so so so VERY swingy. Like, huuuuge variance.
Do not regret. Always forward, never back.
ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
May 12 2014 14:08 GMT
#545
On May 12 2014 22:44 chalice wrote:
if they don't bring back urf they should at least make it a single player custom practice mode. i think being able to get some real repetition on stuff like malphite/tristana/kha'zix full skills + item active mid-air combos was a good way to improve.

like i haven't played malphite once in a real game since, but i'm probably twice the player i was on him before just by spamming urf games and deleting people on ult/dfg cooldown.


my shunpo mechanics are huge now whereas before they were only passably average for a kat main
ALEXISONFIRE ARE FUCKING BACK (sAviOr for life)
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
May 12 2014 14:28 GMT
#546
Braum music pretty great.

Freljord best nation no contest IMO.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
May 12 2014 14:43 GMT
#547
Freljord is like.... Canada!
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Jek
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark2771 Posts
May 12 2014 14:45 GMT
#548
On May 12 2014 21:56 Figgy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2014 21:21 Slayer91 wrote:
its at least platinum

this all depends though
for example, if you were high enough mmr before the change to pick order and when jungle was less popular because nobody farmed if you were a jungle main you got jungle basically every game and when it wasnt you were last pick and got to play support and get carried by alex ich or something

if you're someone who's best role is mid and its the most sought after role obviously you're not going to get it that much so you won't gain as many wins from it

also its based on your personal definition of level. Once you get to the pro level all that matters is how good you are at one role, but suddenly in solo queue you have to be good at 3 roles?


All lanes/Rolls win 50% of the time.

How people don't understand this is crazy.

If you are a silver player who believes they should be in Gold, a full division higher than your opposition, you should be hitting minimum 60% win record in ANY position.

No one should be a complete scrub at jungle but amazing mid, that doesn't really make any sense. If you really are good enough to be a full division above the people you are playing against, you should crush your opposition in any lane. If you are playing Solo Q you should have at least one decent champion in each role anyways because you won't always get the lane you want (unless you're just one of those uber trolls who says "mid or feed", then gets mid and feeds anyways...)

Wat?

If Riot suddenly banned me from picking support I'd easily fall down to bronze from G1. We are some people who can only figure out how to play one role. T.T
It's Elo not ELO - Every statiscian playing League
las91
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States5080 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-12 15:37:50
May 12 2014 15:15 GMT
#549
On May 12 2014 23:45 Jek wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2014 21:56 Figgy wrote:
On May 12 2014 21:21 Slayer91 wrote:
its at least platinum

this all depends though
for example, if you were high enough mmr before the change to pick order and when jungle was less popular because nobody farmed if you were a jungle main you got jungle basically every game and when it wasnt you were last pick and got to play support and get carried by alex ich or something

if you're someone who's best role is mid and its the most sought after role obviously you're not going to get it that much so you won't gain as many wins from it

also its based on your personal definition of level. Once you get to the pro level all that matters is how good you are at one role, but suddenly in solo queue you have to be good at 3 roles?


All lanes/Rolls win 50% of the time.

How people don't understand this is crazy.

If you are a silver player who believes they should be in Gold, a full division higher than your opposition, you should be hitting minimum 60% win record in ANY position.

No one should be a complete scrub at jungle but amazing mid, that doesn't really make any sense. If you really are good enough to be a full division above the people you are playing against, you should crush your opposition in any lane. If you are playing Solo Q you should have at least one decent champion in each role anyways because you won't always get the lane you want (unless you're just one of those uber trolls who says "mid or feed", then gets mid and feeds anyways...)

Wat?

If Riot suddenly banned me from picking support I'd easily fall down to bronze from G1. We are some people who can only figure out how to play one role. T.T


Yea if I couldn't play bot lane I would certainly feel out of place, my mid and top are fairly bad for where I am at in the ladder. I am sitting at a weak 48% winrate or something, but I've also struggled hard this season on my non main roles so I know where I need to improve at least.

On May 13 2014 00:28 Ketara wrote:
This winrate conversation has gotten really stupid, FYI.


thank you for your incredible contribution to the forum
In Inca we trust
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
May 12 2014 15:28 GMT
#550
This winrate conversation has gotten really stupid, FYI.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
EquilasH
Profile Joined April 2009
Denmark2142 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-12 15:46:26
May 12 2014 15:37 GMT
#551
On May 12 2014 08:15 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Seriously most people's problem is that they think that because they're good at one role, they should be at whatever level they play that one role at.

If you can't play at least 3 roles at whatever level you think you are, you're not that level. Ideally you should play all but one or even every role. If you can't get carried on your worst 2 roles, you're not as good as you think you are.


I highly disagree with this - if you can play 2 or 3 roles and you are vocal about it in champion select you should be covered, then you can occasionally dodge if you don't get your role or you can play a game of your off-role (even if it has 30% winrate or so it shouldn't be that big of a problem).

I only play top/mid and some adc, and in the 66 games I've played I only had one game where I was forced to jungle (and I played 4 games of adc), but I just dodged that game. It was the same story last season.

On May 12 2014 22:27 Celial wrote:
I have a ~70% winrate in Silver 2. All roles. http://www.lolking.net/summoner/euw/22179814#ranked-stats

Basically, I am challenge(d)r level material.

Are you trolling :D? you have ~58% winrate?
wat
Celial
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
2602 Posts
May 12 2014 15:58 GMT
#552
On May 13 2014 00:37 EquilasH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2014 08:15 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Seriously most people's problem is that they think that because they're good at one role, they should be at whatever level they play that one role at.

If you can't play at least 3 roles at whatever level you think you are, you're not that level. Ideally you should play all but one or even every role. If you can't get carried on your worst 2 roles, you're not as good as you think you are.


I highly disagree with this - if you can play 2 or 3 roles and you are vocal about it in champion select you should be covered, then you can occasionally dodge if you don't get your role or you can play a game of your off-role (even if it has 30% winrate or so it shouldn't be that big of a problem).

I only play top/mid and some adc, and in the 66 games I've played I only had one game where I was forced to jungle (and I played 4 games of adc), but I just dodged that game. It was the same story last season.

Show nested quote +
On May 12 2014 22:27 Celial wrote:
I have a ~70% winrate in Silver 2. All roles. http://www.lolking.net/summoner/euw/22179814#ranked-stats

Basically, I am challenge(d)r level material.

Are you trolling :D? you have ~58% winrate?


Yes. Associating win rates with leagues and divisions is stupid.

Also, 71% in my last 20 games out of 68 total. http://euw.op.gg/summoner/userName=best calls eu
Do not regret. Always forward, never back.
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
May 12 2014 16:06 GMT
#553
How does your last 20 matter more than overall lol.You could easily have just gotten lucky with better teams.
Celial
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
2602 Posts
May 12 2014 16:11 GMT
#554
On May 13 2014 01:06 nafta wrote:
How does your last 20 matter more than overall lol.You could easily have just gotten lucky with better teams.

Because there is about a 3 month break since I played ranked any league (before my current run).

Also, it doesn't matter as I said. It is stupid. It only says that I am currently placed below my actual skill. Whether that skill is Gold 5 or Diamond 2. Winrate doesn't tell that.
Do not regret. Always forward, never back.
turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
May 12 2014 16:43 GMT
#555
i dont see how that follows at all. win rate of 100% probably means you are 3+ divisions down, where as a win rate of 60-65% probably means only 1 division. obviously it would be very hard to get a big enough sample of known skill level players playing from bronze 5 to see how their win rate shifts over time. but saying that winrate doesnt imply skill differential is wrong imo.
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
May 12 2014 18:19 GMT
#556
On May 12 2014 21:40 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
All I'm saying is that whenever you think you're stuck somewhere, you're not stuck because of anything other than you not being able to win games. Figure it out for yourself if you're gonna criticize. My winrate over the past 20+ games has been around 75%. I expect to be diamond by the end of this month, and my MMR when I was plat 2 was putting me against teams of full diamonds up to d3.

I was getting all diamond teams up to plat 3 promos, then after about 20 games of leavers/ragers afks im in plat 5 :<. still playing mostly plat 2/3 tho
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
RouaF
Profile Joined October 2010
France4121 Posts
May 12 2014 18:19 GMT
#557
Not sure if everyone has read Nazgul's blog :

[...]it will also mean that the LoL forums will go into "Other Games" and the LoL streams won't be showing up anymore as default.


Meh I was hoping the dota2 removal could be one step forward for LoL but it's a step backward. Pretty disappointing. Neo defend us !
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
May 12 2014 18:20 GMT
#558
Win rate by itself does not mean anything. For example, I can tank my provisionals (intentionally) so hard that I become b5 after losing 20 in a row. After that, I can win a huge amount of games, each increases my MMR far less than what I lose each game in the first 2p losses.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
May 12 2014 18:31 GMT
#559
On May 13 2014 03:19 RouaF wrote:
Not sure if everyone has read Nazgul's blog :

Show nested quote +
[...]it will also mean that the LoL forums will go into "Other Games" and the LoL streams won't be showing up anymore as default.


Meh I was hoping the dota2 removal could be one step forward for LoL but it's a step backward. Pretty disappointing. Neo defend us !

So stupid that LoL taking a step backwards on TL.
liftlift > tsm
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-12 18:32:57
May 12 2014 18:32 GMT
#560
well would be pretty troll to have only LoL, BW And SC2 sections on the website thats not supposed to support LoL lol
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