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arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
February 17 2014 18:53 GMT
#1321
On February 18 2014 03:43 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2014 02:39 wei2coolman wrote:
On February 18 2014 02:35 Gahlo wrote:
Renekton v Garen, gimme a quick summary.

Garen should win it, but not by much, and Renekton just infinitely more useful post lane.


And proceed to be utterly useless in teamfights. Garen is such a terrible champion.

wat.
garen is far from useless, are you trollin right now?
He'll be doing more damage than renekton late game tbh.
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
anmolsinghmzn2009
Profile Joined June 2011
India1783 Posts
February 17 2014 19:05 GMT
#1322
On February 18 2014 03:27 Scip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2014 02:43 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote:
I have a few questions for junglers like scip and teut
1) is it worth it for me to use lol replay and view my lost games to look for missed opportunities etc in terms of ganking?
2) do you tend to focus on one lane to snowball or try to maintain presence all over the map?
3) are there any situations where you would not gank a particular lane and focus on others (except for the obvious situation where your laner is so far ahead he can 2v1 or something)?
4) if you get behind early on with either a buff steal or failed ganks/dying in a gank/their jungle's is stronger than you what do you do? Play passive or try to make plays? Any other tips for when playing from behind?
5) is actively trying to counter jungle worth it if you have a champion strong at dueling?
6) any other jungling/ganking tips or rules you guys have that May not be obvious to a guy in gold league?
Thanks

1) yes
2) usually the former, although other things come into consideration (dragon, low hp tower)
3) whenever it wouldn't get you a kill or on objective. Don't know how to get more specific on this one
4) just keep farming, if they are invading you then they have a pretty good idea of where you are, so ganks probably arent going to work, not to mention you are weak so getting kills is hard and getting counterganked harsh. Even at challanger level people who try to counterjungle usually end up losing more farm than denying it.
5) it can be at times, of the commonly played junglers Vi is the weakest at dueling. If you can go straight from your wolves to her wraiths and get them from her, it's worth, but make sure you arent losing more farm than the enemy is.
6) not ganking before lvl6 can be a great way to play jungle, probably better than what you are doing right now :D

Usually I prefer farming to six unless I'm playing xin or voli but what ends up happening is some laner dies two times and starts demoralizing the whole team lol
Dunk first. Ask questions while dunking.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
February 17 2014 19:13 GMT
#1323
On February 18 2014 03:53 arb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2014 03:43 Sufficiency wrote:
On February 18 2014 02:39 wei2coolman wrote:
On February 18 2014 02:35 Gahlo wrote:
Renekton v Garen, gimme a quick summary.

Garen should win it, but not by much, and Renekton just infinitely more useful post lane.


And proceed to be utterly useless in teamfights. Garen is such a terrible champion.

wat.
garen is far from useless, are you trollin right now?
He'll be doing more damage than renekton late game tbh.


How many damage items do you need to build to do damage?

He has no gapclosers, no CC beside a silence, and his E slows himself. I know his W is pretty good defensively, but I don't think it's nearly as threatening as a Renekton W'ing you.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
February 17 2014 19:15 GMT
#1324
On February 18 2014 04:13 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2014 03:53 arb wrote:
On February 18 2014 03:43 Sufficiency wrote:
On February 18 2014 02:39 wei2coolman wrote:
On February 18 2014 02:35 Gahlo wrote:
Renekton v Garen, gimme a quick summary.

Garen should win it, but not by much, and Renekton just infinitely more useful post lane.


And proceed to be utterly useless in teamfights. Garen is such a terrible champion.

wat.
garen is far from useless, are you trollin right now?
He'll be doing more damage than renekton late game tbh.


How many damage items do you need to build to do damage?

He has no gapclosers, no CC beside a silence, and his E slows himself. I know his W is pretty good defensively, but I don't think it's nearly as threatening as a Renekton W'ing you.


zero
Omnishroud
Profile Blog Joined November 2013
1073 Posts
February 17 2014 19:20 GMT
#1325
On February 18 2014 04:05 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2014 03:27 Scip wrote:
On February 18 2014 02:43 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote:
I have a few questions for junglers like scip and teut
1) is it worth it for me to use lol replay and view my lost games to look for missed opportunities etc in terms of ganking?
2) do you tend to focus on one lane to snowball or try to maintain presence all over the map?
3) are there any situations where you would not gank a particular lane and focus on others (except for the obvious situation where your laner is so far ahead he can 2v1 or something)?
4) if you get behind early on with either a buff steal or failed ganks/dying in a gank/their jungle's is stronger than you what do you do? Play passive or try to make plays? Any other tips for when playing from behind?
5) is actively trying to counter jungle worth it if you have a champion strong at dueling?
6) any other jungling/ganking tips or rules you guys have that May not be obvious to a guy in gold league?
Thanks

1) yes
2) usually the former, although other things come into consideration (dragon, low hp tower)
3) whenever it wouldn't get you a kill or on objective. Don't know how to get more specific on this one
4) just keep farming, if they are invading you then they have a pretty good idea of where you are, so ganks probably arent going to work, not to mention you are weak so getting kills is hard and getting counterganked harsh. Even at challanger level people who try to counterjungle usually end up losing more farm than denying it.
5) it can be at times, of the commonly played junglers Vi is the weakest at dueling. If you can go straight from your wolves to her wraiths and get them from her, it's worth, but make sure you arent losing more farm than the enemy is.
6) not ganking before lvl6 can be a great way to play jungle, probably better than what you are doing right now :D

Usually I prefer farming to six unless I'm playing xin or voli but what ends up happening is some laner dies two times and starts demoralizing the whole team lol


Expanding on this, what are good timings for a gank? I tend to do the level 3 r/b gank at bot/top and then just float back n forth through mid dropping wards / ganking unless i see a great opportunity in the side lanes. Is there something im missing or is this a good gameplan (barring personal performance)?

Obviously post-6 things change and you're looking to gank alot more and trying to secure dragons n shit.

Whats a general timing to try for a dragon ? How should you be doing it? I generally suck at that. Is it around 11-13 minutes and you should be trying to create an opportunity by forcing mid / bot to back?
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Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
February 17 2014 19:22 GMT
#1326
do dragon after a gank bot/mid that gets a kill and didnt waste too much hp from your part

gank timing is just whether you can get a kill if you arrive or not, doesnt matter once you have level 3 any time is good as long as you dont think if you gank its weak to getting counterered
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
February 17 2014 19:25 GMT
#1327
Generally the 1st dragon dies around 10-12 minutes, depending on what junglers the teams have (Vi, Elise, Khazix do dragon very quickly and safely; Evelynn, Wukong, Pantheon are very slow at killing drake)
Good timing to gank generally is when enemy has no wards. It's pretty difficult to catch them all, have to keep your eye on the minimap 24/7 to spot enemy laners warding, but you can't really make good ganks when you don't know where enemy wards are.

Later on, ganks will be good to just drop the enemy low and kill the tower afterwards. Or even just walk into a lane and start pushing, depending on your champion.
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-17 19:31:52
February 17 2014 19:26 GMT
#1328
also when (edit: non-)faggots gank top post 6ish you can get dragon

User was warned for this post
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-17 19:49:09
February 17 2014 19:27 GMT
#1329
On February 18 2014 02:29 Ketara wrote:
So, interesting tidbit on the league system.

I was just at 99 LP and got a win, and it took me to 1 win in the series instead of 0 wins. I'm 100% sure it didn't do that in S3.

You're a lucky one, I went from 98 LP to promo and 0 wins for me. :<

Also Garen only slows himself when he moves through units, otherwise his E doesn't have any effect on his MS.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-17 19:40:04
February 17 2014 19:39 GMT
#1330
You really ought to be more sensitive teut, the use of word "faggot" might offend many people. This is the internets after all, this is a really diverse social group so make sure you don't use language that could hurt anyone's feelings.
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
February 17 2014 19:40 GMT
#1331
whatever, gaylord
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
February 17 2014 19:46 GMT
#1332
On February 18 2014 04:40 Slayer91 wrote:
whatever, gaylord

Gaylord? Like Gaylord Perry? Didn't know Scip had such a delicate name.
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
Sponkz
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark4564 Posts
February 17 2014 19:48 GMT
#1333
On February 18 2014 04:39 Scip wrote:
You really ought to be more sensitive teut, the use of word "faggot" might offend many people. This is the internets after all, this is a really diverse social group so make sure you don't use language that could hurt anyone's feelings.



I fucking love you.
hi
Omnishroud
Profile Blog Joined November 2013
1073 Posts
February 17 2014 19:55 GMT
#1334
On February 18 2014 04:48 Sponkz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2014 04:39 Scip wrote:
You really ought to be more sensitive teut, the use of word "faggot" might offend many people. This is the internets after all, this is a really diverse social group so make sure you don't use language that could hurt anyone's feelings.



I fucking love you.


Fa..wait, you wont bait me!

CLG on fire during these LCS games wut. (I shall now not return untill i have finished viewing)
Omni = Capped (RIP TL Account) - LoL EUW: Capped92 - EU Bnet: Capped#1137 - Steam: Capped92
Sponkz
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark4564 Posts
February 17 2014 19:55 GMT
#1335
On February 18 2014 04:55 Omnishroud wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2014 04:48 Sponkz wrote:
On February 18 2014 04:39 Scip wrote:
You really ought to be more sensitive teut, the use of word "faggot" might offend many people. This is the internets after all, this is a really diverse social group so make sure you don't use language that could hurt anyone's feelings.



I fucking love you.


Fa..wait, you wont bait me!

CLG on fire during these LCS games wut. (I shall now not return untill i have finished viewing)



LETS ALL BE NICE AND SPREAD THE WORD OF DYRUS CHRIST ALL HAIL THE VICTOR AMEN
hi
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
February 17 2014 19:58 GMT
#1336
On February 18 2014 04:39 Scip wrote:
You really ought to be more sensitive teut, the use of word "faggot" might offend many people. This is the internets after all, this is a really diverse social group so make sure you don't use language that could hurt anyone's feelings.


We all need audio clips of Scip in TS to show us how to truly be polite to others.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
canikizu
Profile Joined September 2010
4860 Posts
February 17 2014 20:17 GMT
#1337
On February 18 2014 03:43 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2014 02:39 wei2coolman wrote:
On February 18 2014 02:35 Gahlo wrote:
Renekton v Garen, gimme a quick summary.

Garen should win it, but not by much, and Renekton just infinitely more useful post lane.


And proceed to be utterly useless in teamfights. Garen is such a terrible champion.

Haha. This make me remember. My last game, we had a Garen on our team, he laned against Fiora.
When the game started, he said "Vi, I will win my lane. Please focus on helping mid and bot."
...
He died at level 2. I have to babysit him almost entire laning phrase.
...
The positive side was he eventually tanky enough that he could run in and out the enemy base with people chasing him and not die.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
February 17 2014 20:51 GMT
#1338
Garen is great in teamfights. He pops W, ignores your CC and damage then proceeds to sit on a squishy's face until they're low enough for him to ult.
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
The_Unseen
Profile Joined March 2011
France1923 Posts
February 17 2014 21:14 GMT
#1339
On February 18 2014 04:55 Sponkz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2014 04:55 Omnishroud wrote:
On February 18 2014 04:48 Sponkz wrote:
On February 18 2014 04:39 Scip wrote:
You really ought to be more sensitive teut, the use of word "faggot" might offend many people. This is the internets after all, this is a really diverse social group so make sure you don't use language that could hurt anyone's feelings.



I fucking love you.


Fa..wait, you wont bait me!

CLG on fire during these LCS games wut. (I shall now not return untill i have finished viewing)



LETS ALL BE NICE AND SPREAD THE WORD OF DYRUS CHRIST ALL HAIL THE VICTOR AMEN


Fuck you Sponkzey
I got five reasons for you to shut up
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
February 17 2014 21:23 GMT
#1340
On February 18 2014 04:13 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2014 03:53 arb wrote:
On February 18 2014 03:43 Sufficiency wrote:
On February 18 2014 02:39 wei2coolman wrote:
On February 18 2014 02:35 Gahlo wrote:
Renekton v Garen, gimme a quick summary.

Garen should win it, but not by much, and Renekton just infinitely more useful post lane.


And proceed to be utterly useless in teamfights. Garen is such a terrible champion.

wat.
garen is far from useless, are you trollin right now?
He'll be doing more damage than renekton late game tbh.


How many damage items do you need to build to do damage?

He has no gapclosers, no CC beside a silence, and his E slows himself. I know his W is pretty good defensively, but I don't think it's nearly as threatening as a Renekton W'ing you.


Black cleaver.
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