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wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
December 15 2013 05:23 GMT
#501
Wait, aphromoo no longer on CLG? when did this happen?
liftlift > tsm
TheRabidDeer
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States3806 Posts
December 15 2013 05:24 GMT
#502
It feels like they should cap nasus Q dmg. I crit for nearly 1800 in the last game... sure his early game is kinda weak but you can farm easily at the tower...
Eppa!
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden4641 Posts
December 15 2013 05:26 GMT
#503
People seem to forget that there are a lot of situationally viable adcs except for the duo of Lucian/Sivir(counting all regions). Trist, Ashe, Vayne, Twitch, Kog, Ez(especially Ez) and Jinx all fill a niche that is created by the influx of shit early game supports/super strong early game supports.

Competitively viable supports vary so much that the flexibility of a late pick offbeat adc are viable picks.

Taric for example suck hard vs Thresh early game / early mid game that you can fit in Kog vs Jinx and Sivir.
"Can't wait till Monday" Cixah+Waveofshadow. "Needs to be monday. Weekend please go by quickly." Gahlo
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
December 15 2013 05:35 GMT
#504
On December 15 2013 14:26 Eppa! wrote:
People seem to forget that there are a lot of situationally viable adcs except for the duo of Lucian/Sivir(counting all regions). Trist, Ashe, Vayne, Twitch, Kog, Ez(especially Ez) and Jinx all fill a niche that is created by the influx of shit early game supports/super strong early game supports.

Competitively viable supports vary so much that the flexibility of a late pick offbeat adc are viable picks.

Taric for example suck hard vs Thresh early game / early mid game that you can fit in Kog vs Jinx and Sivir.

Draven still really strong tbh, even if snowbally.
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
December 15 2013 05:39 GMT
#505
On December 15 2013 14:35 arb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2013 14:26 Eppa! wrote:
People seem to forget that there are a lot of situationally viable adcs except for the duo of Lucian/Sivir(counting all regions). Trist, Ashe, Vayne, Twitch, Kog, Ez(especially Ez) and Jinx all fill a niche that is created by the influx of shit early game supports/super strong early game supports.

Competitively viable supports vary so much that the flexibility of a late pick offbeat adc are viable picks.

Taric for example suck hard vs Thresh early game / early mid game that you can fit in Kog vs Jinx and Sivir.

Draven still really strong tbh, even if snowbally.

Draven supposedly straight up lane counter to Lucian.
liftlift > tsm
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
December 15 2013 05:40 GMT
#506
On December 15 2013 14:39 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2013 14:35 arb wrote:
On December 15 2013 14:26 Eppa! wrote:
People seem to forget that there are a lot of situationally viable adcs except for the duo of Lucian/Sivir(counting all regions). Trist, Ashe, Vayne, Twitch, Kog, Ez(especially Ez) and Jinx all fill a niche that is created by the influx of shit early game supports/super strong early game supports.

Competitively viable supports vary so much that the flexibility of a late pick offbeat adc are viable picks.

Taric for example suck hard vs Thresh early game / early mid game that you can fit in Kog vs Jinx and Sivir.

Draven still really strong tbh, even if snowbally.

Draven supposedly straight up lane counter to Lucian.

He hits a whole lot harder than Lucian could ever hope for tbh.

I think he's still really strong, and getting 1 kill with decent passive stacks in lane puts you ages ahead
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
TheLink
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia2725 Posts
December 15 2013 05:41 GMT
#507
On December 15 2013 14:39 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2013 14:35 arb wrote:
On December 15 2013 14:26 Eppa! wrote:
People seem to forget that there are a lot of situationally viable adcs except for the duo of Lucian/Sivir(counting all regions). Trist, Ashe, Vayne, Twitch, Kog, Ez(especially Ez) and Jinx all fill a niche that is created by the influx of shit early game supports/super strong early game supports.

Competitively viable supports vary so much that the flexibility of a late pick offbeat adc are viable picks.

Taric for example suck hard vs Thresh early game / early mid game that you can fit in Kog vs Jinx and Sivir.

Draven still really strong tbh, even if snowbally.

Draven supposedly straight up lane counter to Lucian.


How is that possible? easily the best thing an AD can do against Draven is a good dash and strong long-range poke. It's people like Vayne that take a free spinning axe every last hit that get crushed.
Only the weak link is strong enough to break the chain.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
December 15 2013 06:01 GMT
#508
On December 15 2013 14:41 TheLink wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2013 14:39 wei2coolman wrote:
On December 15 2013 14:35 arb wrote:
On December 15 2013 14:26 Eppa! wrote:
People seem to forget that there are a lot of situationally viable adcs except for the duo of Lucian/Sivir(counting all regions). Trist, Ashe, Vayne, Twitch, Kog, Ez(especially Ez) and Jinx all fill a niche that is created by the influx of shit early game supports/super strong early game supports.

Competitively viable supports vary so much that the flexibility of a late pick offbeat adc are viable picks.

Taric for example suck hard vs Thresh early game / early mid game that you can fit in Kog vs Jinx and Sivir.

Draven still really strong tbh, even if snowbally.

Draven supposedly straight up lane counter to Lucian.


How is that possible? easily the best thing an AD can do against Draven is a good dash and strong long-range poke. It's people like Vayne that take a free spinning axe every last hit that get crushed.

http://blog.ibuypower.com/2013/12/doublelifts-pre-s4-ad-tier-list/

Draven is the counter in lane to almost all of the aforementioned champions. He crushes Lucian, Jinx, Sivir, Tristana, and Varus, and this is why he is still a viable pick. If you are a perfect Draven player and never drop an axe, you will still be doing massive damage while being extremely slippery. Blood Rush is the ultimate tool against the OP bruisers right now, and will allow you to kite in otherwise impossible situations.


I'm guessing Draven just simply out trades Lucian, the only harass that's outside of Draven's trade range is Lucian's W.
liftlift > tsm
JonGalt
Profile Joined February 2013
Pootie too good!4331 Posts
December 15 2013 06:14 GMT
#509
On December 15 2013 14:23 wei2coolman wrote:
Wait, aphromoo no longer on CLG? when did this happen?


Saying shit like this without providing a link or source should be a punishable offense.
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wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
December 15 2013 06:20 GMT
#510
On December 15 2013 15:14 JonGalt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2013 14:23 wei2coolman wrote:
Wait, aphromoo no longer on CLG? when did this happen?


Saying shit like this without providing a link or source should be a punishable offense.

streaming on twitch, not azubu (which is what CLG is supposed to stream on due to contract), and just checked out leaguepedia, says NydusHerMain is sub/support.
http://lol.gamepedia.com/Counter_Logic_Gaming
liftlift > tsm
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
December 15 2013 06:21 GMT
#511
dam lucian super safe op fotm unkillable teamfighting ad carry huh
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SagaZ
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
France3460 Posts
December 15 2013 06:27 GMT
#512
the same leaguepedia that list bigfatlp and hotshotgg as "active roster"?
Be nice, buy wards and don't feed double buff.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
December 15 2013 06:30 GMT
#513
On December 15 2013 15:27 SagaZ wrote:
the same leaguepedia that list bigfatlp and hotshotgg as "active roster"?

they're subs in that roster, afaik that's accurate.
liftlift > tsm
SagaZ
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
France3460 Posts
December 15 2013 06:32 GMT
#514
So I guess they sent dexter back to EU already too? damn that was quick
Be nice, buy wards and don't feed double buff.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
December 15 2013 06:35 GMT
#515
On December 15 2013 15:32 SagaZ wrote:
So I guess they sent dexter back to EU already too? damn that was quick

i mean, it could just be the article hasnt' been updated, but aphro streaming on twitch is weird, cuz I'm pretty sure all the CLG guys are contracted with Azubu. Maybe still tryouts?
liftlift > tsm
SagaZ
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
France3460 Posts
December 15 2013 06:37 GMT
#516
yeah I guess no official contract yet. Aphro has been streaming on twitch since forever too, including at the time of the event with trickZ
Be nice, buy wards and don't feed double buff.
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
December 15 2013 06:57 GMT
#517
I think he just opted to not sign "officially" until the season actually starts so he can actually get viewers while streaming.
Carrilord has arrived.
Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12084 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-15 07:41:43
December 15 2013 07:37 GMT
#518
On December 15 2013 15:01 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2013 14:41 TheLink wrote:
On December 15 2013 14:39 wei2coolman wrote:
On December 15 2013 14:35 arb wrote:
On December 15 2013 14:26 Eppa! wrote:
People seem to forget that there are a lot of situationally viable adcs except for the duo of Lucian/Sivir(counting all regions). Trist, Ashe, Vayne, Twitch, Kog, Ez(especially Ez) and Jinx all fill a niche that is created by the influx of shit early game supports/super strong early game supports.

Competitively viable supports vary so much that the flexibility of a late pick offbeat adc are viable picks.

Taric for example suck hard vs Thresh early game / early mid game that you can fit in Kog vs Jinx and Sivir.

Draven still really strong tbh, even if snowbally.

Draven supposedly straight up lane counter to Lucian.


How is that possible? easily the best thing an AD can do against Draven is a good dash and strong long-range poke. It's people like Vayne that take a free spinning axe every last hit that get crushed.

http://blog.ibuypower.com/2013/12/doublelifts-pre-s4-ad-tier-list/

Show nested quote +
Draven is the counter in lane to almost all of the aforementioned champions. He crushes Lucian, Jinx, Sivir, Tristana, and Varus, and this is why he is still a viable pick. If you are a perfect Draven player and never drop an axe, you will still be doing massive damage while being extremely slippery. Blood Rush is the ultimate tool against the OP bruisers right now, and will allow you to kite in otherwise impossible situations.


I'm guessing Draven just simply out trades Lucian, the only harass that's outside of Draven's trade range is Lucian's W.

He's making an assumption based around top level Draven.

Most Dravens do not have the skill to come close to winning all those matchups, and also very support dependent.

The tier list also doesn't factor in current Lucian/Sivir nerfs. Honestly, I would say Varus is now one of the best soloQ ADCs.
"His father is pretty juicy tbh." ~WaveofShadow
ixi.genocide
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States981 Posts
December 15 2013 07:39 GMT
#519
On December 15 2013 09:47 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2013 09:06 iCanada wrote:
On December 15 2013 04:56 Slusher wrote:
On December 15 2013 04:54 Shikyo wrote:
Looks like Yasuo is considered terrible. I guess they overdid it with the passive nerf.

Worst average KDA out of all champions it seems(non-support).


it might change when the day 1 full dps builds die down, but he certainly does not look promising for OP


The funny thing is that is what Riot recommends on him.

Best one I have seen went Shiv-Mallet-GA. That being said, i think he was just a really fed diamond smurf in a mid gold game.


i am positive that building him 2 dmg item into tank will go well, i just have to try it when he's not banned one day



I have done a couple of jungles and 3 lane games. i have been starting either dblade for lane or machete for jung, first item avarice, second item every time so far has been a bf sword, but the goal is SS, IE, Zerks> something like GA, Randy, Svisage etc. and that has been pretty awesome. Getting SS on him quickly is super awesome. he def uses it the best out of every champ i have seen so far. Since he doubles crit chance of cloak every piece of IE is really big power boost on him too. build seems to work great.

I def wouldn't build him glass canon though, he needs to get way too close for that.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
December 15 2013 07:48 GMT
#520
If you have that much CC, building straight damage isn't really playing to your strengths. I mean, think about it from a design perspective. We have ADC who do massive damage and scale with items, but generally lack CC. Also, we have Yi who has zero CC, but builds tons of damage.
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