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Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21243 Posts
December 11 2013 21:24 GMT
#4041
On December 12 2013 06:21 SagaZ wrote:
fun fact: the only "dedicated shotcaller" in the entire NA history was Reginald, and that's because he was a douche and owner of a team filled by akward dudes who didn't have the courage to stand up to him and eventually lost their ability to think for themselfs


TranslatorBaa!
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
December 11 2013 21:25 GMT
#4042
On December 12 2013 06:21 SagaZ wrote:
fun fact: the only "dedicated shotcaller" in the entire NA history was Reginald, and that's because he was a douche and owner of a team filled by akward dudes who didn't have the courage to stand up to him and eventually lost their ability to think for themselfs

You kinda have to be a bit of a prick to be a dedicated shotcaller, if you're the team's sole decision maker you sort of need a bit of a "everyone but me is wrong" mentality.
Glorious SEA doto
Roffles *
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
December 11 2013 21:26 GMT
#4043
On December 12 2013 06:21 SagaZ wrote:
fun fact: the only "dedicated shotcaller" in the entire NA history was Reginald, and that's because he was a douche and owner of a team filled by akward dudes who didn't have the courage to stand up to him and eventually lost their ability to think for themselfs

BR, that is very untrue and just slanderous towards Reginald's reputation of being a great shotcaller, but a not so great player.
God Bless
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
December 11 2013 21:28 GMT
#4044
Honestly, for NA standards Regi was a pretty good mid too. Either way, Saga posted about as venomously as one could attempt about not just Regi, but all of TSM.
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21685 Posts
December 11 2013 21:29 GMT
#4045
You dont need to be a prick to be the shotcaller. People just need to listen ingame. Outside of the game you can discuss calls and work out how you handle things as a team but inside the game the shot callers word is final. Its nothing about being a prick.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
December 11 2013 21:29 GMT
#4046
On December 12 2013 06:24 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2013 06:21 SagaZ wrote:
fun fact: the only "dedicated shotcaller" in the entire NA history was Reginald, and that's because he was a douche and owner of a team filled by akward dudes who didn't have the courage to stand up to him and eventually lost their ability to think for themselfs


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYWZKtc4ORY

A classic.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
SagaZ
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
France3460 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-11 21:32:19
December 11 2013 21:30 GMT
#4047
I'm not saying he was a bad shotcaller, in fact he was awesome at this

And I agree with fusillero, I'm just saying that for some1 to be a shotcaller you need an extrememlly specific situation, trying to put one in teams with a diferent dynamic is boud to fail

regi was completly micromanaging oddone, every one knew about it. If any1 trys to micromanage any other jungler the way regi was doing with oddone, the guy would leave the team within weeks. their situation is unique and not replicable, searching for "dedicated shotcallers" in teams other than TSM will never work
Be nice, buy wards and don't feed double buff.
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
December 11 2013 21:32 GMT
#4048
On December 12 2013 06:29 Gorsameth wrote:
You dont need to be a prick to be the shotcaller. People just need to listen ingame. Outside of the game you can discuss calls and work out how you handle things as a team but inside the game the shot callers word is final. Its nothing about being a prick.

Well prick is the wrong word perhaps, but the shotcaller pretty much needs to assert himself if there starts to be confusion over calls then you end up being spring split CLG the shotcaller needs to go "I'm right, do as I said"
Glorious SEA doto
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21685 Posts
December 11 2013 21:39 GMT
#4049
On December 12 2013 06:32 Fusilero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2013 06:29 Gorsameth wrote:
You dont need to be a prick to be the shotcaller. People just need to listen ingame. Outside of the game you can discuss calls and work out how you handle things as a team but inside the game the shot callers word is final. Its nothing about being a prick.

Well prick is the wrong word perhaps, but the shotcaller pretty much needs to assert himself if there starts to be confusion over calls then you end up being spring split CLG the shotcaller needs to go "I'm right, do as I said"

Thats a problem of clashing ego's tho. If it isnt over calls it happends over something else.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
sob3k
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States7572 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-11 21:48:30
December 11 2013 21:47 GMT
#4050
On December 12 2013 06:32 Fusilero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2013 06:29 Gorsameth wrote:
You dont need to be a prick to be the shotcaller. People just need to listen ingame. Outside of the game you can discuss calls and work out how you handle things as a team but inside the game the shot callers word is final. Its nothing about being a prick.

Well prick is the wrong word perhaps, but the shotcaller pretty much needs to assert himself if there starts to be confusion over calls then you end up being spring split CLG the shotcaller needs to go "I'm right, do as I said"


No, there is a huge difference between asserting yourself and having an "always right attitude". An intelligent team will follow a solo caller because they trust his analysis (more than others) and understand the unity benefits of the call structure. A leader who has an "always right" attitude squanders input from the team and will lose authority as he looks out of touch with reality whenever he makes a call with a bad result, not to mention is obnoxious and douchey.
In Hungry Hungry Hippos there are no such constraints—one can constantly attempt to collect marbles with one’s hippo, limited only by one’s hippo-levering capabilities.
BrownBear
Profile Joined March 2010
United States6894 Posts
December 11 2013 21:51 GMT
#4051
Y'all should check out the vVv-Coast game in NACL right now. vVv running Brand-Zyra botlane.
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NotYango
Profile Joined December 2013
United States719 Posts
December 11 2013 21:53 GMT
#4052
It still sounds gimpy as fuck to me that everyone keeps using the term "shotcaller" and not "captain" which is what it is in any other context.
yango pls
SagaZ
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
France3460 Posts
December 11 2013 22:05 GMT
#4053
I don't think a Captain usually "calls for shots" in any other sport tho
In rugby, usually the captain is a low number, a very strong and solid guy that keeps the moral of the team high, the guy calling the shots and the plays is the 10 or 11, usually a small frame specialized in passes
Basketball captain varies but can be anything, but the one deciding plays is usually the pointguard

I can keep going on but I think a captain and a shotcaller are 2 different things
Be nice, buy wards and don't feed double buff.
nojitosunrise
Profile Joined August 2011
United States6188 Posts
December 11 2013 22:25 GMT
#4054
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
December 11 2013 22:27 GMT
#4055
It depends. Cricket the Captain decides fielding positions, batting order and bowlers but he does that with the help of coaches/players which is how things normally work. Generally the captain is of the players while coaches etc. do the overarching game.

For the sake of LoL I think it's fine calling the Shotcaller the Captain since the shotcaller is basically in charge of the players at that time.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-11 22:30:01
December 11 2013 22:29 GMT
#4056
Captain is a shotcaller?

I'm pretty sure at least in ice hockey the captain is usually someone experienced and generally the player that keeps the morale high and talks the team up on the bench and so on... I don't think the role has anything to do with shotcalling
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21243 Posts
December 11 2013 22:31 GMT
#4057
guys it might surprise you to learn that in different organizations, the captain can have different responsibilities
TranslatorBaa!
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
December 11 2013 22:31 GMT
#4058
You guys are getting wayward here. In sports there are people not actively playing that can make the calls but in LoL there is no such thing. There are only people pre/post game so inside the game the "shotcaller" and the "captain" are the same thing.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
December 11 2013 22:49 GMT
#4059
In soccer I was the captain, and central midfielder and could be considered a shotcaller. But really, it is an imaginary thing, like mechanics.
Freeeeeeedom
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-11 22:56:16
December 11 2013 22:55 GMT
#4060
On December 12 2013 05:51 AsnSensation wrote:
I know barrier/heal is probably meant in a joking way but seriously what about cleanse on mundo so you can always dive and never worry about ignites fucking you over.

Cleanse doesn't remove healing debuffs and they're pretty damn easy to apply. Pretty sure MF can activate W and apply 2000 healing debuffs.

On December 12 2013 04:21 SagaZ wrote:
Maybe if NA servers were crappy like EUw's the quality of soloqueue would improve because people would feel fortunate to be able to play and try hard.
Maybe this is why EUw is fked, a beta test to see if it would improve NA

Why would you ever wish that fate on anyone?
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
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