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oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-03 19:18:15
November 03 2013 19:07 GMT
#1281
On November 04 2013 04:03 Haiq343 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2013 03:26 oneofthem wrote:
On November 04 2013 02:02 TheLink wrote:
C9 could all be about silver level in laning phase and it just wouldn't matter. As soon as the game hits 15 mins they go kill some shit and win the game. Have we all forgotten C9's dominance already after watching a few weeks of solo-queue?

throw them into ogn and see how they kill everything after 15 minutes

That has absolutely nothing to do with the point Link was/is making there.

it certainly does when the standard is top 5 in the world. c9 has the throwtastic na scene figured out but this does not mean they can be nearly as dominant on an intl stage facing better teams.

there's probably 5 teams in ogn that can destroy c9 in laning phase alone.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22487 Posts
November 03 2013 19:36 GMT
#1282
On November 04 2013 04:07 oneofthem wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2013 04:03 Haiq343 wrote:
On November 04 2013 03:26 oneofthem wrote:
On November 04 2013 02:02 TheLink wrote:
C9 could all be about silver level in laning phase and it just wouldn't matter. As soon as the game hits 15 mins they go kill some shit and win the game. Have we all forgotten C9's dominance already after watching a few weeks of solo-queue?

throw them into ogn and see how they kill everything after 15 minutes

That has absolutely nothing to do with the point Link was/is making there.

it certainly does when the standard is top 5 in the world. c9 has the throwtastic na scene figured out but this does not mean they can be nearly as dominant on an intl stage facing better teams.

there's probably 5 teams in ogn that can destroy c9 in laning phase alone.

And yet i feel like playing in a season of OGN would also do a ton of c9's game. There is a limit with how good your own game can be depending on the level of opponents you play regularly.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
SagaZ
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
France3460 Posts
November 03 2013 19:37 GMT
#1283
and those 5 teams also trash TSM's botlane easily
Be nice, buy wards and don't feed double buff.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35173 Posts
November 03 2013 19:45 GMT
#1284
And regardless, we'll never know because Riot.
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
November 03 2013 19:48 GMT
#1285
not sure why the standard is top 5??? wtf

people get to hung up on world rank on if something is good, I think this is why people are so divided on how good Xpecial is, if you are like hey this guy is a really good player, I don't think you'd get that much push back, but for some reason people always want to make wild claims like top 5 supports in the world, hell no, and that isn't an insult.
Carrilord has arrived.
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
November 03 2013 19:49 GMT
#1286
On November 04 2013 04:48 Slusher wrote:
not sure why the standard is top 5??? wtf

people get to hung up on world rank on if something is good, I think this is why people are so divided on how good Xpecial is, if you are like hey this guy is a really good player, I don't think you'd get that much push back, but for some reason people always want to make wild claims like top 5 supports in the world, hell no, and that isn't an insult.

You're either first or you're in a slump. Learnt that one from SC2.
Glorious SEA doto
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
November 03 2013 19:49 GMT
#1287
cus the discussion started with peke's comment that c9 can be top 5 with better scrim partners.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-03 19:51:08
November 03 2013 19:50 GMT
#1288
On November 04 2013 04:49 oneofthem wrote:
cus the discussion started with peke's comment that c9 can be top 5 with better scrim partners.

It was soaz, on another note I remember cloudtemplar saying that mineski could be a good team with solid practice some pros do make some big claims on quality of teams lol. His comment was during a mineski match at worlds which went like "Mineski are actually pretty good if they practiced more"
Glorious SEA doto
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
November 03 2013 19:52 GMT
#1289
it's conceivable.

honestly the way Korean teams looked at worlds (good but not god mode) I feel like the playing field could be pretty even if the ability to practice with Asian teams at lan speed was available to top NA/EU teams, unfortunately it is not.
Carrilord has arrived.
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
November 03 2013 19:56 GMT
#1290
standard is top 5 because wei2 said that xpecial/turtle is "easily top5 world" :D
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
November 03 2013 20:01 GMT
#1291
I mean I had round about addressed that comment, but I can be more direct.

Wei was correct in defending Turtle/Xpecial as a "not to be trifled with in the NA LCS" lane, but crushed his own argument under the weight of top 5 world.

look, Huk had good micro, nobody would have made fun of him if he just said, "I got some really good micro skills" but instead he had to lose his mind for a moment.
Carrilord has arrived.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
November 03 2013 20:07 GMT
#1292
turtle plays with a pretty unique aggressive style that may give people fits when they are not used to playing against him. i don't know if it's some sort of long run ideal. bot lane isn't a big playmaking position though so whatever difference between the elite level guys can be rather hard to see.

korean teams were really underprepared for worlds, had a late patch timing, and they were extensively studied before then. i think on hardware (player talent) and software (coaching, team research etc) conditions, their true level was not properly reflected at worlds, at least during groups
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
November 03 2013 20:11 GMT
#1293
being prepared is part of being good.
Carrilord has arrived.
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
November 03 2013 20:22 GMT
#1294
dat nasus skin
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
zer0das
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States8519 Posts
November 03 2013 20:43 GMT
#1295
TSM will still suck next season.
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
November 03 2013 20:45 GMT
#1296
On November 04 2013 05:43 zer0das wrote:
TSM will still suck next season.

Idk if I can still be your subordinate after that, General Zer0
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
November 03 2013 20:49 GMT
#1297
I don't understand how people can retain their TSM fanboyism.

They're still douchebags, and now they're also no longer the best talent in NA. Let it go.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
Roffles *
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
November 03 2013 20:50 GMT
#1298
On November 04 2013 05:49 Ketara wrote:
I don't understand how people can retain their TSM fanboyism.

They're still douchebags, and now they're also no longer the best talent in NA. Let it go.

That's so troll.
God Bless
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
November 03 2013 20:53 GMT
#1299
On November 04 2013 05:49 Ketara wrote:
I don't understand how people can retain their TSM fanboyism.

They're still douchebags, and now they're also no longer the best talent in NA. Let it go.

Yeah I wonder why we can't all see the world through the cynical eyes of Ketara

Even if you don't like the other four, don't hate on Burger King :x
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
November 03 2013 20:55 GMT
#1300
On November 04 2013 05:49 Ketara wrote:
I don't understand how people can retain their TSM fanboyism.

They're still douchebags, and now they're also no longer the best talent in NA. Let it go.

What? Yung bjersen is a god. I'd root for him no matter what team he's on. Now he actually has a botlane that can do stuff, they gunna shit on the NA teams so hard.

As far as tsm still sucking compared to world class teams, that'll still happen until dyrus stops feeding 8 kills in first 5 min of game.
liftlift > tsm
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