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AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
November 03 2013 16:56 GMT
#1261
On November 04 2013 01:45 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2013 01:43 AsnSensation wrote:
Why are you guys theorycrafting who's better when we don't even have the season 4 changes on the live servers yet xD.

I I don't need to see s4 change to know faker is still going to be better than regi.


yeah because comparing regi to faker is the same as Turtspecial to SneakyNation
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
November 03 2013 16:57 GMT
#1262
Or just scrap the damn thing because it isn't consistent with itself.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-03 16:59:36
November 03 2013 16:59 GMT
#1263
On November 04 2013 01:56 AsnSensation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2013 01:45 wei2coolman wrote:
On November 04 2013 01:43 AsnSensation wrote:
Why are you guys theorycrafting who's better when we don't even have the season 4 changes on the live servers yet xD.

I I don't need to see s4 change to know faker is still going to be better than regi.


yeah because comparing regi to faker is the same as Turtspecial to SneakyNation

Turtle xpecial is easily top 5 botlanes in world. Sneaky and lemonation not even world class. They're more comparable to puszu and yellowstar, except not as good.
liftlift > tsm
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
November 03 2013 17:02 GMT
#1264
don't think c9 is mechanically good enough to be top 5 world however much they practice team level strats.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
TheLink
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia2725 Posts
November 03 2013 17:02 GMT
#1265
C9 could all be about silver level in laning phase and it just wouldn't matter. As soon as the game hits 15 mins they go kill some shit and win the game. Have we all forgotten C9's dominance already after watching a few weeks of solo-queue?
Only the weak link is strong enough to break the chain.
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
November 03 2013 17:06 GMT
#1266
On November 04 2013 02:02 TheLink wrote:
C9 could all be about silver level in laning phase and it just wouldn't matter. As soon as the game hits 15 mins they go kill some shit and win the game. Have we all forgotten C9's dominance already after watching a few weeks of solo-queue?

I lol'd.
@wei, idk why you're so adamant on talking down on Lemon and Sneaky.
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
November 03 2013 17:06 GMT
#1267
On November 04 2013 02:02 TheLink wrote:
C9 could all be about silver level in laning phase and it just wouldn't matter. As soon as the game hits 15 mins they go kill some shit and win the game. Have we all forgotten C9's dominance already after watching a few weeks of solo-queue?


Except that only worked vs NA teams so far. Unfortunately we never got to see if C9 could do the same vs anyone else since they lost to fnatic in their only game at Worlds.
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
November 03 2013 17:07 GMT
#1268
On November 04 2013 02:06 Numy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2013 02:02 TheLink wrote:
C9 could all be about silver level in laning phase and it just wouldn't matter. As soon as the game hits 15 mins they go kill some shit and win the game. Have we all forgotten C9's dominance already after watching a few weeks of solo-queue?


Except that only worked vs NA teams so far. Unfortunately we never got to see if C9 could do the same vs anyone else since they lost to fnatic in their only game at Worlds.

Battle of the Atlantic, hoooo.
I'm still very disappointed with the Worlds format, esp for a team like C9.
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-03 17:13:41
November 03 2013 17:12 GMT
#1269
On November 04 2013 02:06 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2013 02:02 TheLink wrote:
C9 could all be about silver level in laning phase and it just wouldn't matter. As soon as the game hits 15 mins they go kill some shit and win the game. Have we all forgotten C9's dominance already after watching a few weeks of solo-queue?

I lol'd.
@wei, idk why you're so adamant on talking down on Lemon and Sneaky.

They're not bad. But after seeing wt and xpecial in worlds, I think it's pretty insulting to say they're even comparable. Puszu is everything sneakycastro is except better. Mechanically poor but makes do. (Btw . Totally had this opinion before dl 2nd grilled interview) I just value clutch playmakers over passive players.
liftlift > tsm
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-03 17:20:35
November 03 2013 17:19 GMT
#1270
On November 04 2013 02:12 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2013 02:06 NeoIllusions wrote:
On November 04 2013 02:02 TheLink wrote:
C9 could all be about silver level in laning phase and it just wouldn't matter. As soon as the game hits 15 mins they go kill some shit and win the game. Have we all forgotten C9's dominance already after watching a few weeks of solo-queue?

I lol'd.
@wei, idk why you're so adamant on talking down on Lemon and Sneaky.

They're not bad. But after seeing wt and xpecial in worlds, I think it's pretty insulting to say they're even comparable. Puszu is everything sneakycastro is except better. Mechanically poor but makes do. (Btw . Totally had this opinion before dl 2nd grilled interview) I just value clutch playmakers over passive players.

Did we watch the same Worlds? What exactly did Turtle and Xpecial do at Worlds that was so special?

C9 severely underperformed but TSM's 2-6 group stage performance wasn't that dashing either. I would also take both teams' performance over the course of Spring Split and NA Regionals as a better metric for both teams (and their respective bot lanes). C9's sample size for Worlds is just laughable.
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
Letmelose
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Korea (South)3227 Posts
November 03 2013 17:20 GMT
#1271
On November 04 2013 01:59 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2013 01:56 AsnSensation wrote:
On November 04 2013 01:45 wei2coolman wrote:
On November 04 2013 01:43 AsnSensation wrote:
Why are you guys theorycrafting who's better when we don't even have the season 4 changes on the live servers yet xD.

I I don't need to see s4 change to know faker is still going to be better than regi.


yeah because comparing regi to faker is the same as Turtspecial to SneakyNation

Turtle xpecial is easily top 5 botlanes in world. Sneaky and lemonation not even world class. They're more comparable to puszu and yellowstar, except not as good.


Definitely one of the top five bot-lanes at Season 3 World Championship, but I'm not so sure about the world. There were some pretty mean pairings that didn't get to show their stuff at the global stage such as NaMei/Sicca, and Deft/Heart.

With the addition of Bjergsen, I feel like TSM could replace XDG Gaming as the strongest team in North America during the laning phase. I really am interested in how this pans out for TSM, because this team is now loaded with top class individual talent, but of course, they have to make something out of this.

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wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
November 03 2013 17:30 GMT
#1272
On November 04 2013 02:19 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2013 02:12 wei2coolman wrote:
On November 04 2013 02:06 NeoIllusions wrote:
On November 04 2013 02:02 TheLink wrote:
C9 could all be about silver level in laning phase and it just wouldn't matter. As soon as the game hits 15 mins they go kill some shit and win the game. Have we all forgotten C9's dominance already after watching a few weeks of solo-queue?

I lol'd.
@wei, idk why you're so adamant on talking down on Lemon and Sneaky.

They're not bad. But after seeing wt and xpecial in worlds, I think it's pretty insulting to say they're even comparable. Puszu is everything sneakycastro is except better. Mechanically poor but makes do. (Btw . Totally had this opinion before dl 2nd grilled interview) I just value clutch playmakers over passive players.

Did we watch the same Worlds? What exactly did Turtle and Xpecial do at Worlds that was so special?

C9 severely underperformed but TSM's 2-6 group stage performance wasn't that dashing either. I would also take both teams' performance over the course of Spring Split and NA Regionals as a better metric for both teams (and their respective bot lanes). C9's sample size for Worlds is just laughable.

I think it was whitezz who said it. That wt needed to do 3 times the amount of damage of a regular adc to have a chance to carry tsm. And that he was doing that amount of damage, but rest of tsm too heavy
liftlift > tsm
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
November 03 2013 17:35 GMT
#1273
On November 04 2013 02:30 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2013 02:19 NeoIllusions wrote:
On November 04 2013 02:12 wei2coolman wrote:
On November 04 2013 02:06 NeoIllusions wrote:
On November 04 2013 02:02 TheLink wrote:
C9 could all be about silver level in laning phase and it just wouldn't matter. As soon as the game hits 15 mins they go kill some shit and win the game. Have we all forgotten C9's dominance already after watching a few weeks of solo-queue?

I lol'd.
@wei, idk why you're so adamant on talking down on Lemon and Sneaky.

They're not bad. But after seeing wt and xpecial in worlds, I think it's pretty insulting to say they're even comparable. Puszu is everything sneakycastro is except better. Mechanically poor but makes do. (Btw . Totally had this opinion before dl 2nd grilled interview) I just value clutch playmakers over passive players.

Did we watch the same Worlds? What exactly did Turtle and Xpecial do at Worlds that was so special?

C9 severely underperformed but TSM's 2-6 group stage performance wasn't that dashing either. I would also take both teams' performance over the course of Spring Split and NA Regionals as a better metric for both teams (and their respective bot lanes). C9's sample size for Worlds is just laughable.

I think it was whitezz who said it. That wt needed to do 3 times the amount of damage of a regular adc to have a chance to carry tsm. And that he was doing that amount of damage, but rest of tsm too heavy

Whitezz: Cool is better than faker
Ehuehuehueheuheuhehe
Glorious SEA doto
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
November 03 2013 17:46 GMT
#1274
On November 04 2013 02:35 Fusilero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2013 02:30 wei2coolman wrote:
On November 04 2013 02:19 NeoIllusions wrote:
On November 04 2013 02:12 wei2coolman wrote:
On November 04 2013 02:06 NeoIllusions wrote:
On November 04 2013 02:02 TheLink wrote:
C9 could all be about silver level in laning phase and it just wouldn't matter. As soon as the game hits 15 mins they go kill some shit and win the game. Have we all forgotten C9's dominance already after watching a few weeks of solo-queue?

I lol'd.
@wei, idk why you're so adamant on talking down on Lemon and Sneaky.

They're not bad. But after seeing wt and xpecial in worlds, I think it's pretty insulting to say they're even comparable. Puszu is everything sneakycastro is except better. Mechanically poor but makes do. (Btw . Totally had this opinion before dl 2nd grilled interview) I just value clutch playmakers over passive players.

Did we watch the same Worlds? What exactly did Turtle and Xpecial do at Worlds that was so special?

C9 severely underperformed but TSM's 2-6 group stage performance wasn't that dashing either. I would also take both teams' performance over the course of Spring Split and NA Regionals as a better metric for both teams (and their respective bot lanes). C9's sample size for Worlds is just laughable.

I think it was whitezz who said it. That wt needed to do 3 times the amount of damage of a regular adc to have a chance to carry tsm. And that he was doing that amount of damage, but rest of tsm too heavy

Whitezz: Cool is better than faker
Ehuehuehueheuheuhehe

Cooler* than faker. Tehehehe.
liftlift > tsm
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
November 03 2013 17:46 GMT
#1275
On November 04 2013 02:30 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2013 02:19 NeoIllusions wrote:
On November 04 2013 02:12 wei2coolman wrote:
On November 04 2013 02:06 NeoIllusions wrote:
On November 04 2013 02:02 TheLink wrote:
C9 could all be about silver level in laning phase and it just wouldn't matter. As soon as the game hits 15 mins they go kill some shit and win the game. Have we all forgotten C9's dominance already after watching a few weeks of solo-queue?

I lol'd.
@wei, idk why you're so adamant on talking down on Lemon and Sneaky.

They're not bad. But after seeing wt and xpecial in worlds, I think it's pretty insulting to say they're even comparable. Puszu is everything sneakycastro is except better. Mechanically poor but makes do. (Btw . Totally had this opinion before dl 2nd grilled interview) I just value clutch playmakers over passive players.

Did we watch the same Worlds? What exactly did Turtle and Xpecial do at Worlds that was so special?

C9 severely underperformed but TSM's 2-6 group stage performance wasn't that dashing either. I would also take both teams' performance over the course of Spring Split and NA Regionals as a better metric for both teams (and their respective bot lanes). C9's sample size for Worlds is just laughable.

I think it was whitezz who said it. That wt needed to do 3 times the amount of damage of a regular adc to have a chance to carry tsm. And that he was doing that amount of damage, but rest of tsm too heavy

It was zzitai.
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GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
November 03 2013 18:01 GMT
#1276
On November 04 2013 00:48 AsmodeusXI wrote:
Sweet now I get to be hipster about watching Bjergsen stream.

On the other hand, I think I have to cheer for TSM now?

...

FUCK YOU GALT.

Come on, Asmo.

The water's fine~
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
remedium
Profile Joined July 2011
United States939 Posts
November 03 2013 18:12 GMT
#1277
On November 04 2013 02:06 Numy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2013 02:02 TheLink wrote:
C9 could all be about silver level in laning phase and it just wouldn't matter. As soon as the game hits 15 mins they go kill some shit and win the game. Have we all forgotten C9's dominance already after watching a few weeks of solo-queue?


Except that only worked vs NA teams so far. Unfortunately we never got to see if C9 could do the same vs anyone else since they lost to fnatic in their only game at Worlds.


Reminded me of the 2007 World Series. Rockies came into the playoffs red hot, smoked everything in sight. They had a 10 day layoff between NLCS and World Series, and they got stomped because they cooled off while the other team had been playing during that week plus.
Stay positive!
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
November 03 2013 18:23 GMT
#1278
On November 04 2013 00:48 AsmodeusXI wrote:
Sweet now I get to be hipster about watching Bjergsen stream.

On the other hand, I think I have to cheer for TSM now?

...

FUCK YOU GALT.

Outbaylifed and outsmarted.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
November 03 2013 18:26 GMT
#1279
On November 04 2013 02:02 TheLink wrote:
C9 could all be about silver level in laning phase and it just wouldn't matter. As soon as the game hits 15 mins they go kill some shit and win the game. Have we all forgotten C9's dominance already after watching a few weeks of solo-queue?

throw them into ogn and see how they kill everything after 15 minutes
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Haiq343
Profile Joined August 2011
United States2548 Posts
November 03 2013 19:03 GMT
#1280
On November 04 2013 03:26 oneofthem wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2013 02:02 TheLink wrote:
C9 could all be about silver level in laning phase and it just wouldn't matter. As soon as the game hits 15 mins they go kill some shit and win the game. Have we all forgotten C9's dominance already after watching a few weeks of solo-queue?

throw them into ogn and see how they kill everything after 15 minutes

That has absolutely nothing to do with the point Link was/is making there.
I am enough of an artist to draw freely upon my imagination. Imagination is more important than knowledge. For knowledge is limited, whereas imagination encircles the world. -Einstein
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