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Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23460 Posts
October 31 2013 11:38 GMT
#481
they destroyed garens look and voice over and now nasus look and voiceover rito pls
how long before they destroy udyr
aka Teutonica
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
October 31 2013 12:04 GMT
#482
On October 31 2013 20:38 Slayer91 wrote:
they destroyed garens look and voice over and now nasus look and voiceover rito pls
how long before they destroy udyr

Disagree.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
October 31 2013 12:35 GMT
#483
Garen was a mixed bag. I like his new animations and SFX, the voice sounds roughly similar, but many of the skins are worse (though some are still ok).
It's your boy Guzma!
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
October 31 2013 12:57 GMT
#484
Why has TF Vayne not become a thing again?
chalice
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1945 Posts
October 31 2013 13:07 GMT
#485
banning heimer so your own team doesn't pick him might be a legit strategy
Wrag
Profile Joined February 2012
France124 Posts
October 31 2013 13:08 GMT
#486
On October 31 2013 21:57 Gahlo wrote:
Why has TF Vayne not become a thing again?


Probably because she can't reliably chain the procs. Even tho Q has a short-ish CD, her other 2 active skills are situational/long cd, and using condemn in most cases puts her target out of range. The sheen stats appart from proc are mostly wasted as well.Also, Botrk being so much better as core puts TF in a situationnal late buy position for her.
Early phage could be a strong buy, but delays botrk substantialy.
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-31 13:10:00
October 31 2013 13:08 GMT
#487
On October 31 2013 21:57 Gahlo wrote:
Why has TF Vayne not become a thing again?

Too expensive.Also bork first is stronger.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
October 31 2013 13:55 GMT
#488
That's one hell of a bug.
It's your boy Guzma!
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
October 31 2013 14:00 GMT
#489
On October 31 2013 21:57 Gahlo wrote:
Why has TF Vayne not become a thing again?

becaues genja doesn't play vayne duh
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21248 Posts
October 31 2013 14:01 GMT
#490
On October 31 2013 22:55 Requizen wrote:
That's one hell of a bug.


I feel cheated of the 2 minutes of my time I spent reading that drivel.
TranslatorBaa!
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
October 31 2013 14:02 GMT
#491
On October 31 2013 23:01 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2013 22:55 Requizen wrote:
That's one hell of a bug.


I feel cheated of the 2 minutes of my time I spent reading that drivel.

Cheep so crotchety :D
It's your boy Guzma!
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
October 31 2013 14:20 GMT
#492
On October 31 2013 22:08 nafta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2013 21:57 Gahlo wrote:
Why has TF Vayne not become a thing again?

Too expensive.Also bork first is stronger.

I was alluding to TF second.

On October 31 2013 22:08 Wrag wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2013 21:57 Gahlo wrote:
Why has TF Vayne not become a thing again?


Probably because she can't reliably chain the procs. Even tho Q has a short-ish CD, her other 2 active skills are situational/long cd, and using condemn in most cases puts her target out of range. The sheen stats appart from proc are mostly wasted as well.Also, Botrk being so much better as core puts TF in a situationnal late buy position for her.
Early phage could be a strong buy, but delays botrk substantialy.

See above about Bork. Tumble cd at max cd matches up with Sheens internal cooldown, so as long as she's auto attacking she can potentially trigger sheen till the cows come home(she goes oom, which sheen conveniently increases.) The only real wasted stats on TF for her is the AP, but there are numerous champions who have more wasted/off stats that pick up TF anyway.
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
October 31 2013 14:27 GMT
#493
On October 31 2013 23:20 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2013 22:08 nafta wrote:
On October 31 2013 21:57 Gahlo wrote:
Why has TF Vayne not become a thing again?

Too expensive.Also bork first is stronger.

I was alluding to TF second.

Show nested quote +
On October 31 2013 22:08 Wrag wrote:
On October 31 2013 21:57 Gahlo wrote:
Why has TF Vayne not become a thing again?


Probably because she can't reliably chain the procs. Even tho Q has a short-ish CD, her other 2 active skills are situational/long cd, and using condemn in most cases puts her target out of range. The sheen stats appart from proc are mostly wasted as well.Also, Botrk being so much better as core puts TF in a situationnal late buy position for her.
Early phage could be a strong buy, but delays botrk substantialy.

See above about Bork. Tumble cd at max cd matches up with Sheens internal cooldown, so as long as she's auto attacking she can potentially trigger sheen till the cows come home(she goes oom, which sheen conveniently increases.) The only real wasted stats on TF for her is the AP, but there are numerous champions who have more wasted/off stats that pick up TF anyway.


such as?
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
October 31 2013 14:33 GMT
#494
Most bruisers don't use crit, or at least wouldn't mind losing it for a cost reduction, for example.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
October 31 2013 14:34 GMT
#495
Shy would be a good example. Crit's not huge on her, AP is pretty minimal, manaless.
It's your boy Guzma!
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
October 31 2013 14:35 GMT
#496
On October 31 2013 23:34 Requizen wrote:
Shy would be a good example. Crit's not huge on her, AP is pretty minimal, manaless.


You're an expert on Shy after last night, right?
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Ghost-z
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1291 Posts
October 31 2013 14:35 GMT
#497
On October 31 2013 22:07 chalice wrote:
banning heimer so your own team doesn't pick him might be a legit strategy

The donger too strong?
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Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23460 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-31 14:36:12
October 31 2013 14:35 GMT
#498
nearly everyone who buys trinity doesn't want crit mana or ap that much
not sure about buying trinity on shy tho wat
aka Teutonica
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
October 31 2013 14:36 GMT
#499
On October 31 2013 23:35 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2013 23:34 Requizen wrote:
Shy would be a good example. Crit's not huge on her, AP is pretty minimal, manaless.


You're an expert on Shy after last night, right?

Super expert. Super duper.
It's your boy Guzma!
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-31 14:40:43
October 31 2013 14:38 GMT
#500
On October 31 2013 22:08 Wrag wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2013 21:57 Gahlo wrote:
Why has TF Vayne not become a thing again?


Probably because she can't reliably chain the procs. Even tho Q has a short-ish CD, her other 2 active skills are situational/long cd, and using condemn in most cases puts her target out of range. The sheen stats appart from proc are mostly wasted as well.Also, Botrk being so much better as core puts TF in a situationnal late buy position for her.
Early phage could be a strong buy, but delays botrk substantialy.

The other thing is that Triforce gives well-rounded combat stats. If you want a 1 DPS item timing for Vayne, you don't want well-rounded combat stats because her baseline kit is extremely damage-heavy (large true damage proc on W, large flat AD steroid on ult), meaning she needs an attack speed-focused item to fill out her DPS. That's why BotRK is a better first item for her.
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