Fantasy Football. Fantasy Proleague. Fantasy GSTL. Fantasy TI3. Perhaps the greatest thing next that mankind has come up with. Fantasy allows you to be the armchair GM, for you to put your skills to the test against others who crave that same fame and recognition.
With the approach of the Season 3 world championships, it's time to institute and play our own Fantasy game for pride and glory.
What's at stake?
Winner joins Kickboxer in the Fantasy LoL Hall of Fame. Loser gets relegated to PrinceXizor/Oneofthem status, in the Hall of Shame for poor predictions and bad foresight. Something else. TBD.
How to Play?
- Choose 6 players, one from each position and a wildcard of any kind. When they perform well and put up stats, they score you points. - Choose 2 players to form an anti-team. This team will score you negative points. The goal is to minimize the amount of points by picking players you think will underperform. - The owner with the most points at the end of the tournament will be crowned champion and shall receive massive bragging rights throughout the subforum. - The owner with the least amount of points at the end of the group states will be forever crowned in the Hall of Shame, joining the likes of Shikyo, PrinceXizor, Jazriel, and Oneofthem.
To start, each participant is given a total of 40 total points to spend on players. With these points, you may assemble any group of Top,Jungle,Mid,Support,AD and an additional wildcard player that falls within the salary cap. For tiebreaker purposes, you must select a captain in case there are ties at the end of the season. The captain with the highest amount of points will win the tiebreak. No trading will be allowed, and your team will carry you to the end of group stages.
You will also select an anti-team that must consist of exactly 2 players totaling to at least 14 points. This team will score you negative points.
Your total points will be calculated based off your main team points minus your anti team points. This will be for the entire remainder of the tournament, so pick well and choose teams you think will make a deep run.
The players have been assigned point values according to bracket setup and previous performances in group stages.
Edit: I fail at reading (forgot wildcard). Also, I'm going for teh tactic that since kills give so much, it's better to pick a usual high-priority farm player from each team... riight?
Top Soaz - 6 Jungle Cyanide - 6 Mid Xpeke - 9 AD Piglet - 14 (Captain) Support Yellowstar - 4 Wildcard Swordart - 1
Total 40
Anti-team Sneaky - 8 Meteos - 6
If Fnatic looses, so does my team. I want to pick more chinese players, but it's hard to predict which of the two will win and make it to the semifinal or final. So putting all my eggs in the Fnatic basket. Predicting Piglet is gonna destroy the top half.
Strategy is using wildcard spot on AD and relying on AD and mid to bring points, sacking the others. Taking the best of the best isn't important, as having 2 solid picks that will go deep (and thus play more games) is more important than having a godlike pick and a very mediocre one (I don't think we'll see stupid stuff like Gambit's crashes feeding xPeke and Puszu obscene amounts of points, artificially inflating their net worth). I expect Gambit and Bears to lose 0-2 in their respective Bo3s so I'm really putting a lot of of weight on my picks here. However if I took top/jungle/support from Royal, SKT or Sword (the teams most likely to go far imo) then I'd have to pick ADs/mid from teams who may not make it to the finals, and a single game from a good player of one of these positions is probably worth more than an additional game from another position. I'm not sure at all, though. Damn.
The antiteam, in the same vein, tries to take 2 players who won't go far. Assuming their team loses, it doesn't matter that they're strong since if the rest doesn't go well they shouldn't be able to make up for it.
Man 14 points for the antiteam makes it really hard to pick one...
I couldn't use SKT members because Royal are pretty expensive. On the other hand, I expect most people to go for SKT and OMG, so if Royal beats OMG (which I kinda hope is going to happen) I should pull ahead of people relying too heavily on OMG since I also expect the winner of this quarter to have an easy win in the semis, for a spot in the finals. On the other hand of Royal loses I'm utterly fucked. Also if SKT performs better in the quarters than in groups (especially Faker, who disappointed a bunch) then even if Royal was to win the whole thing I'd probably lose against people picking a bunch of them. Gambit will probably lose 0-2 so I'm really, really pressed for success here (ironically since I assume that Gambit will go 0-2 and SKT will beat Sword Pray shouldn't have many games to earn points, but SKT's too expensive for me).
There are quite some people relying more on Sword than me though, so I should pull ahead of them if Royal beats OMG and SKT makes it to the finals, on the other hand this scenario probably means that I'll sit behind people who picked a SKT-heavy line-up. Obviously I'm fucked if C9 beats Fnatic too (but so are a bunch of people).
All-in all, I guess I'm looking at the middle of the pack either way. Urgh. Fantasy too hard for my brain.
As you can see I'm rooting for a SKT vs C9 grand finals. Grabbed the cheapest wildcard I could to make sure I was under 40 points. Also, I'm thinking (hoping) Royal will bomb out.
This is a very high risk/high reward composition. I think the odds of it working out are low but if things go according to plan it is almost guaranteed to do well. The reasoning behind this is that you want as many player to go as far as possible. Even though I doubt Fnatic will make it to the finals, I still think they have a good shot at making it to semis as well as possibly earning an upset against the Chinese team to make it to finals. I am also banking on the fact that OMG will beat Royal, so even though the Royal players are good they won't have enough games to rack up many points.
Elvex (as of this post) your anti-team is only 12 points not 14 by the way.
On September 23 2013 15:38 Imperfect1987 wrote: This is a very high risk/high reward composition. I think the odds of it working out are low but if things go according to plan it is almost guaranteed to do well. The reasoning behind this is that you want as many player to go as far as possible. Even though I doubt Fnatic will make it to the finals, I still think they have a good shot at making it to semis as well as possibly earning an upset against the Chinese team to make it to finals. I am also banking on the fact that OMG will beat Royal, so even though the Royal players are good they won't have enough games to rack up many points.
Elvex (as of this post) your anti-team is only 12 points not 14 by the way.
On September 23 2013 16:03 1godless wrote: We can join even if we missed the group stages, right?
It's a whole new game. Nothing is carried over, so I don't see why not.
On September 23 2013 15:38 Imperfect1987 wrote: This is a very high risk/high reward composition. I think the odds of it working out are low but if things go according to plan it is almost guaranteed to do well. The reasoning behind this is that you want as many player to go as far as possible. Even though I doubt Fnatic will make it to the finals, I still think they have a good shot at making it to semis as well as possibly earning an upset against the Chinese team to make it to finals. I am also banking on the fact that OMG will beat Royal, so even though the Royal players are good they won't have enough games to rack up many points.
The winner of the group stages had 4/5 Fnatic members. So, maybe there's something to it.
Fnatic gonna own C9 and I will win this. Or they won't and I will be last place (among other unpleasant things) I also think that Gamma Bears will all get negative points, which will end up giving me positive :3
Hey I actually think you can only choose 2 players for your anti team. That way you have to pick players who are considered decent, but which you think will underperform.
Team all-in on Sword. Admittedly, I was really tempted to pick up some OMG players since I do think OMG is favored against Royal Club (they did play with comA at regional finals after all). Honestly, I expect to see the winning fantasy team to be focused on two teams, though a more diversified fantasy team has the advantage of being very unlikely to end up last.
Meh I've tried a lot of things but nothing stands out because there is no way to know who will win between royal and omg, if the bracket was different it would've been a lot easier :-) So even if there is 99% chance to have a SKT vs chinese final it's a huge gamble to put points on chinese players (and they are expensive too). Fnatic allin it is then, if C9 wins, I lose !
On September 23 2013 23:14 RouaF wrote: Top: Soaz - 6 Jungle : Cyanide - 6 Mid : Xpeke - 9 AD : Piglet - 14 (captain) Support : Yellow - 4 Wild(fucking)card : Swordart - 1 40 puntos
Anti-team : Sneaky - 8, Meteos - 6
Meh I've tried a lot of things but nothing stands out because there is no way to know who will win between royal and omg, if the bracket was different it would've been a lot easier :-) So even if there is 99% chance to have a SKT vs chinese final it's a huge gamble to put points on chinese players (and they are expensive too). Fnatic allin it is then, if C9 wins, I lose !
The problem is, assuming that whichever chinese team wins makes it to the final/wins the finals, (combined with how expensive skt players are) then in order to win you need to have guessed one of the chinese teams correctly.
I feel like the chinese players on the winning team are going to end up being by far the most cost effective players, so it will probably end up something like:
people who chose winning chinese team > non chinese team pickers > people who chose losing chinese team.
Hey it just occured to me, but wouldn't a team that wins 2-1 get better scores than teams that win 2-0? I'm not complaining since I drafted fnatic and NJBS but its a glaring disadvantage in my eyes.
Holy crap Expession is going to rack up so many points compared to most top laners, especially if we look at the group stages games. o_o Darien and Diamondprox were basically my throwaways, they didn't feed as much as Voidle or Balls, so I can't complain. Meteos and Sneaky fucking refused to die and got so fed in that game 2 I'm going to cry.
Pray didn't perform all that well considering his cost and Fnatic has racked up a fuckton of points. Now I need Royal to beat OMG and the semis will be full of hype as they'll determine my odds against the teams that all-ined on SKT and Fnatic.
Hm... some people put Royal on their antiteam so if they do well I should grab some places tomorrow, on the other hand Fnatic crushing C9 with so many kills is more important than them winning at all, it's really huge for all these full Fnatic teams, they're probably assured to make it to middle of the pack even if Fnatic lose in Ro4. The people all-ining on SKT are going to rack up a bunch too. Need to see how well they do versus Gama Bears, but in the end it may come down to these two teams having the easiest Ro4 match-ups, meaning they're more likely to turn it into a kill fest and explode the charts.
If Royal beats OMG then Fnatic, then the threat of "Fnatic all-ins" should be reduced, if not dispelled, however if SKT destroy Gama Bears at least as hard as Fnatic destroyed C9 in their wins, not being able to line up the full SKT roster won't prevent them from being serious contenders.
Second Bo3 will tell me if I'm crashing down on in the run, while the first will tell me, in case Royal advances, whether I'm looking at the top or the middle of the board in said run.
On September 24 2013 13:01 Alaric wrote: Hm... some people put Royal on their antiteam so if they do well I should grab some places tomorrow, on the other hand Fnatic crushing C9 with so many kills is more important than them winning at all, it's really huge for all these full Fnatic teams, they're probably assured to make it to middle of the pack even if Fnatic lose in Ro4. The people all-ining on SKT are going to rack up a bunch too. Need to see how well they do versus Gama Bears, but in the end it may come down to these two teams having the easiest Ro4 match-ups, meaning they're more likely to turn it into a kill fest and explode the charts.
If Royal beats OMG then Fnatic, then the threat of "Fnatic all-ins" should be reduced, if not dispelled, however if SKT destroy Gama Bears at least as hard as Fnatic destroyed C9 in their wins, not being able to line up the full SKT roster won't prevent them from being serious contenders.
Second Bo3 will tell me if I'm crashing down on in the run, while the first will tell me, in case Royal advances, whether I'm looking at the top or the middle of the board in said run.
I went all in on royal top jungle and adc, (and xpeke mid) and took then gamma support and wildcard (adc) to finish out the roster with as few points as possible.
My hope is gammabears lose quietly and quickly to skt1, and then royal go full awesome and carry me to victory
Although I just realised I picked a support who's against faker... This could go so wrong
On September 24 2013 21:31 Scip wrote: AARGGH not 1st despite being all fnatic. Well, once these top2 guys' antis get to play I should get guaranteed 1st place by far I think.
Unfortunately I agree.
Btw: is the standing list complete? I cannot find this guy in there.
28th currently, could go way up if OMG stomp Royal, or way down if the game goes the other way around. Still probably can't touch the fnatic teams (yet), C9 just feed too much
On September 24 2013 21:31 Scip wrote: AARGGH not 1st despite being all fnatic. Well, once these top2 guys' antis get to play I should get guaranteed 1st place by far I think.
Some KT teams in there can climb up pretty far if KT destroys Gama bears.
I'm counting on NJSB to end the KT reign. Pretty horrible odds, but I want an upset damnit!
On September 24 2013 21:31 Scip wrote: AARGGH not 1st despite being all fnatic. Well, once these top2 guys' antis get to play I should get guaranteed 1st place by far I think.
Some KT teams in there can climb up pretty far if KT destroys Gama bears.
I'm counting on NJSB to end the KT reign. Pretty horrible odds, but I want an upset damnit!
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I hope KT Boxer and SKT Flash collectively punch your face out
On September 24 2013 21:31 Scip wrote: AARGGH not 1st despite being all fnatic. Well, once these top2 guys' antis get to play I should get guaranteed 1st place by far I think.
Some KT teams in there can climb up pretty far if KT destroys Gama bears.
I'm counting on NJSB to end the KT reign. Pretty horrible odds, but I want an upset damnit!
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I hope KT Boxer and SKT Flash collectively punch your face out
Fml. I will now queue up for a blind pick to castigate my wicked mind.
And my brother called me retarded for putting Sneaky on my anti, HAH.
xPeke performed as expected, Soaz as expected, Diamond was an OK pick, waiting to see if San puts up the same beastly numbers he did in group stage, if so, I'm fairly confident in finishing at least in the top 20, considering I'm sitting at 20th without my Carry having played yet and had Lemon on my team TT
On September 25 2013 14:10 Imperfect1987 wrote: This is looking grim. Come on OMG win the next 2! I don't know why I did Royal for anti-team instead of C9.
Only have piglet, Wh1t3zz and yellowstar left in this, with nagne and expession on my anti(bet big on russians on LAN...and failed QQ). I could see myself getting very, very close to zero.
I did well, but I picked Godlike and Lucky. I knew if Royal Club won, it would be Uzi putting up the big points, so it didn't hurt me too bad. I did screw myself by having four of my players on one side of the bracket. I guess I could maybe still win if it's Sword/Fnatic final.
On September 25 2013 22:01 onlywonderboy wrote: Damn, all the top teams right now just a majority of Fnaitc. Gonna be a shame when Uzi and Wh1teZz wreck from for sweet fantasy points <3
Playing an extra game over the other power teams (Skt 2-0, Royal 2-0) is a fairly big bonus. + Show Spoiler +
And is only because they weren't good enough to beat C9 in just 2 games. Huehue.
On September 25 2013 22:01 onlywonderboy wrote: Damn, all the top teams right now just a majority of Fnaitc. Gonna be a shame when Uzi and Wh1teZz wreck from for sweet fantasy points <3
Playing an extra game over the other power teams (Skt 2-0, Royal 2-0) is a fairly big bonus. + Show Spoiler +
And is only because they weren't good enough to beat C9 in just 2 games. Huehue.
I think any team would be leading if they had a game like Fnatic v. C9 Game 3. >_<
Well SKT racked up more points against Bears than Royal against OMG because the games weren't even close. If you look at Royal vs OMG, they "stomped" them with a very clean ace that they then used to get a bunch of objectives (mide tower -> nashor), so there's not a lot of kills in these games compared to what Fnatic did in groups for example.
If Royal can beat Fnatic then maybe I'll pull ahead of these teams after the finals. PraY will pobably get shot down against SKT though, who really have the easiest bracket amongst the contenders for the finals (which in my book were SKT, OMG, Royal, Fnatic), and so they'll rack in a metric fuckton of points. All in all, I don't expect Royal's roster to undo SKT unless they go on to win the finals in a not-too-close fashion, but as long as they beat Fnatic I should get a decent standing.
On September 25 2013 23:56 Alaric wrote: Well SKT racked up more points against Bears than Royal against OMG because the games weren't even close. If you look at Royal vs OMG, they "stomped" them with a very clean ace that they then used to get a bunch of objectives (mide tower -> nashor), so there's not a lot of kills in these games compared to what Fnatic did in groups for example.
If Royal can beat Fnatic then maybe I'll pull ahead of these teams after the finals. PraY will pobably get shot down against SKT though, who really have the easiest bracket amongst the contenders for the finals (which in my book were SKT, OMG, Royal, Fnatic), and so they'll rack in a metric fuckton of points. All in all, I don't expect Royal's roster to undo SKT unless they go on to win the finals in a not-too-close fashion, but as long as they beat Fnatic I should get a decent standing.
But remember SKT players cost a lot more points then Royal players. (full skt roster = 50 points, full royal = 41) So people who picked royal based lineups are likely to have either more players from said team (and in better roles), or better standins for the slots they couldn't afford the actual players.
Also remember the benefit of playing 3 games vs 2 is pretty large (unless one of your players somehow manages to go negative in a game) so winning a close, hardfought 3 game series is often better then winning a 2 - 0 stomp.
I yield. Swords are a bunch of qualifying terms I won't be able to use here without eating a probably well-deserved warning to the face, and already allowed SKT players to be worth way more than whoever picked them could have hoped. There's no way my team can ever make up for it even if Sword wins the 5th game (HAHAHA HAHA!) then Royal beats Fnatic.
Screw Sword's impersonations of a random Plat 5v5 team facing some pros.
12th!! I still find that the scoring system is a bit weird. For example, if you picked Faker, you would rather have them win 3-2 vs NJBS then 3-0. Because more games= more points. So if faker doesn't play that well and his team go to the last game of the series, you will get more points. However if skt wins 3-0, you will win less points. In group stage that didn't matter, because everyone played the same amount of games.
Everyone in the top 10 picked expression as top laner and dipped heavily in NJBS lineup. Guess they won't be top 10 anymore after finals :p
On September 29 2013 02:45 AA.spoon wrote: 12th!! I still find that the scoring system is a bit weird. For example, if you picked Faker, you would rather have them win 3-2 vs NJBS then 3-0. Because more games= more points. So if faker doesn't play that well and his team go to the last game of the series, you will get more points. However if skt wins 3-0, you will win less points. In group stage that didn't matter, because everyone played the same amount of games.
Everyone in the top 10 picked expression as top laner and dipped heavily in NJBS lineup. Guess they won't be top 10 anymore after finals :p
After the finals it might be interesting to make a separate leader board where points from a bo3 which went to three games are divided by 1.5, and points from a bo5 are divided by 4/3 or 5/3 if they went to 4/5 games. (so as to "punish" teams being unable to win in straight games.)
On September 29 2013 08:44 Drogenfahndung wrote: Should be + points for win and point loss for a defeat for sure
You get to play more games if you win. I think that's already enough
Under normal circumstances it would. But it doesnt make any sense that Fanatic gets that much points for losing 1-3, they got way more points then the Royal players. Either points for wins or points for barons, dragons and towers is pretty much needed in my oponion.
On September 29 2013 08:44 Drogenfahndung wrote: Should be + points for win and point loss for a defeat for sure
You get to play more games if you win. I think that's already enough
Under normal circumstances it would. But it doesnt make any sense that Fanatic gets that much points for losing 1-3, they got way more points then the Royal players. Either points for wins or points for barons, dragons and towers is pretty much needed in my oponion.
Or you could be smart and realize that Fnatic's playstyle revolves around skirmishing and champion pickoffs vs the KR objective based game or the CN "play aggressive for an advantage and then roll the map with it"
I mean I'm pretty salty too that fnatic put up higher KDA than royal in pretty much all of the games. Unless finals goes to all 5 games even though I have 4 players still in the finals I think the winner is going to have no players in the finals.
Best case all 5 games of finals are like 50 kill games since 5 kills - 5 deaths + 20 assists = positive pt output
Hopefully I can hit top 50 after the finals. Still have piglet and wh1t3zz left alive.
Also, I expect louis4357 to win. I don't think piglet-mandu >= 90, and I don't expect mandu to earn less than 32 points either. Everybody else won't have enough points to possibly overtake.
I went from something like 90th to 50th with that second semi-final, despite how many people have Fnatic on their teams. I guess much of the work was done by how many people had Royal or Fnatic on their anti ?_?
I think the fnatic guys will win. I still had 3 players from skt, but the final was such a 3-0 stomp. 3-2 Would have been much better. I hope we can see the final standings soon!
That bengi on anti-team plan did not work out. Gamble didn't pay off, but it would've been cool if it did. He played way above how he was playing in the group stages. He seemed to be improving as the event went on. Guess I should have aimed for people who I thought would be eliminated early instead.
This stuff was pretty fun, so thanks for roffles for doing this.
Despite losing 3 gambit members and having almost a 200 point anti-team, I still finished in 61st place. Not quite the top 50 I was hoping for, but I guess that's a little much to ask for.
hah, got absolutely dead middle of the pack. Kind of funny how the all-fnatic teams were the highest scoring even though they didn't make it to finals, but I guess that's helped a lot by the couple of games where they just steamrolled.
On October 06 2013 14:11 xes wrote: Pretty salty no SKT or Royal based team finished top 20 even
Well I actually have 3 skt1 players in my team and finished 16th. The problem lies in the scoring system: Since skt would often win quickly, there weren't many kills in their games. Fnatic games, on the contrary, lasted way longer. If the finals were closer (longer games= more kills) and went skt 3-2 RC, I might have finished top 5. w/e Gratz to the winner Louis!
Yeah, whatever can be said about the scoring system and it's need for improvement, this was still a blast and a ton of fun. What a great way to invest and get hyped about every game.
if everyone knew the socring system then some of the effects can be predicted, so you pick accordingly. dominant teams don't necessarily score the most points because they win fast etc.
On October 07 2013 01:05 UmberBane wrote: I still liked it quite a bit! Granted there is some minor constructive criticism to be made.
I'd love to see a fantasy OGN Winter or LCS spring split, if enough people would participate.
OGN Winter would be cool. I'd love a system where there are smaller groups and a draft so each player can only be on one persons team.
That's a better system for fantasy sports but almost impossible to do at a forum. You'd need a dedicated commish for every group and you need all the players to show up at the draft date.
You could just put a 24 hour countdown or it goes to auto draft. I mean you are only drafting 5 or 6 players. It could last a week or so. Having someone be in charge is harder
On October 06 2013 14:11 xes wrote: Pretty salty no SKT or Royal based team finished top 20 even
Well I actually have 3 skt1 players in my team and finished 16th. The problem lies in the scoring system: Since skt would often win quickly, there weren't many kills in their games. Fnatic games, on the contrary, lasted way longer. If the finals were closer (longer games= more kills) and went skt 3-2 RC, I might have finished top 5. w/e Gratz to the winner Louis!
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