[Patch 3.11] General Discussion - Page 226

FinestHour

United States18466 Posts

September 22 2013 03:53 GMT

#4501

my client lagged for a huge period of time and i didnt get to select a champ so i abandoned but i didnt lose any lp for leaving the ranked game in select, did i just get lucky

RagequitBM

Canada2270 Posts

September 22 2013 04:02 GMT

#4502

On September 22 2013 12:53 FinestHour wrote:
my client lagged for a huge period of time and i didnt get to select a champ so i abandoned but i didnt lose any lp for leaving the ranked game in select, did i just get lucky

If you don`t even connect to champion select before it was too late then you don`t lose anything. If that's what happened.

wei2coolman

United States60033 Posts

September 22 2013 04:18 GMT

#4503

Monte, so how about all those increased champs now?

TheHumanSensation

Canada1210 Posts

September 22 2013 04:35 GMT

#4504

The last Alistar champion thread is pretty outdated, so I thought I'd ask here. I don't play much league, but I do grab first win vs bots most days and rotate champs to keep it interesting. Today I jungled Alistar for the first time in a long while, and I think I did something a little different and could maybe use some theorycraft help.

He still clears small camps as fast as ever, but falls off on killing big creeps in the midgame pretty hard with just a Q+autos per camp (which a spirit stone can sustain easy). Ganking whenever smite's down didn't feel like quite enough farm, and it burned through mana pretty quickly. What I did was grab a Chalice, so that I could spam heals and it lowered my camp clear time considerably, and it made sure I pretty much always had enough for a full combo gank. Went for Chalice/HGMobos/Golem core which seemed strong enough.

But if I'm grabbing a Chalice anyway, I probably should grab Madred's instead of SS to boost the single target clear, right? Haven't tried this out yet, but it seems better in theory to me, with the biggest detriments being an 880g investment in a Chalice and not getting the Golem spirit thing. Anyone have thoughts on how I should go about building this, or any other suggestions for Ali in the current jungle?

thenexusp

United States3721 Posts

September 22 2013 04:40 GMT

#4505

Update

After group B concluded in day 6, here is our champion picks/bans standings, again in wonderful ASCII art form:

                : = ban    W = win    l = loss
        shen ::::::::::::::::::::WWWWWWWWWWWlllll
         zed :::::::::::::::::::::::::::WWWWlllll
       corki :::::::::::::::::WWWWWWWWllllllllll
        ahri ::::::::::::::::::::WWWWWWWWWllll
        sona :::::::WWWWWWWllllllllllllllll
        zyra ::::WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWllllllll
      leesin ::::::::::::WWWWWWWWWWlllll
       elise :::::::WWWWWWWlllllllllllll
      thresh ::::::::::::::::::WWWlllll
     orianna ::::::::::::WWWWWWlllll
     caitlyn :::::::::WWWWWWWWlllll
      aatrox :::::::WWWWWWWWWllll
    jarvaniv :WWWWWllllllllll
          vi ::::::WWWWWlllll
        fizz ::::::::WWWlll
    renekton ::::WWWWlllll
         zac ::WWWWWWllll
      ezreal WWWWWlllllll
       vayne ::WWWWWllll
 twistedfate ::::WWlll
      kennen ::::::WWl
fiddlesticks ::WWWWll
     evelynn :::::WWW
      kogmaw :WWWWWl
    kassadin ::::WWW
      singed :WWWll
       varus WWllll
      gragas Wlllll
        ashe :WWWl
       leona :WWWl
        ryze Wllll
     karthus ::Wll
       nasus WWll
   lissandra Wlll
    nocturne ::ll
    tristana Wll
    vladimir Wll
      rumble :ll
       riven WW
       annie Wl
       diana Wl
        lulu ll
      yorick :l
  blitzcrank W
         jax W
       jayce W
       sivir W
      syndra W
    volibear W
     drmundo l
       karma l
    malphite l
 missfortune l
        nami l
     nidalee l
        nunu l
     shyvana l
      soraka l
       swain l
      twitch l
     xinzhao l
      zilean l
       ziggs :
Total champions picked/banned: 63
Total champions picked: 62
Total champions with wins: 45

The data, for those interested:
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GGEU L karthus elise twistedfate jarvaniv thresh gragas ezreal renekton
TSM W orianna sona evelynn zed corki vi fiddlesticks shen
SKTT1 W fizz kennen shen ahri leesin elise vayne zyra
LD L orianna caitlyn zed thresh corki swain vi malphite
TSM L yorick orianna renekton sona elise corki rumble fizz
OMG W zed shen thresh caitlyn ahri aatrox zyra kennen
LD W sona orianna shen elise vayne zyra ahri zac
GGEU L kennen twistedfate zed corki thresh renekton jarvaniv fizz
OMG W vi thresh shen zyra renekton orianna corki leesin
SKTT1 L zed ahri fizz caitlyn jarvaniv nami kennen gragas
V W kassadin ashe ahri orianna vi corki nasus zyra
Fnatic L shen zed twistedfate sona elise lissandra caitlyn yorick
Gambit W jarvaniv leesin thresh sona corki ahri renekton aatrox
Mineski L shen zed orianna fiddlesticks nocturne diana ezreal zac
SGOzone W kennen corki zyra thresh jarvaniv caitlyn ryze singed
V L zed leesin vayne ahri shen vi ezreal sona
Mineski L kassadin ahri fizz orianna zyra corki jarvaniv leesin
Fnatic W thresh sona zed shen aatrox diana caitlyn leona
Gambit W caitlyn leesin thresh shen sona ahri kogmaw evelynn
SGOzone L aatrox zed corki zyra vayne jarvaniv singed ryze
Mineski L singed leesin zed thresh vayne nasus ryze renekton
SGOzone W sona zyra ahri shen elise ezreal fiddlesticks jayce
V L kassadin evelynn corki elise vi zyra caitlyn orianna
Gambit W zed ahri shen twistedfate sona aatrox kogmaw leesin
SGOzone L kassadin ahri fizz shen elise sona kogmaw gragas
Fnatic W zed thresh leesin orianna aatrox lissandra corki leona
Mineksi L ahri orianna corki shen nocturne thresh varus ryze
V W sona zed leesin zyra elise karthus caitlyn nasus
Fnatic W zed evelynn corki aatrox varus orianna zac leona
Gambit L ahri shen elise twistedfate sona xinzhao missfortune shyvana
LD L aatrox caitlyn orianna elise corki sona fizz zac
OMG W zed shen thresh kennen ahri zyra leesin tristana
SKTT1 W orianna thresh renekton zyra shen ezreal fizz leesin
GGEU L zed ahri caitlyn aatrox corki gragas sona jarvaniv
TSM W kennen zyra fizz zed thresh caitlyn vi vladimir
LD L sona rumble corki shen elise ahri lulu vayne
GGEU L zed leesin elise orianna aatrox zyra vayne zac
OMG W shen thresh corki renekton jarvaniv fiddlesticks gragas kogmaw
SKTT1 W fiddlesticks vi fizz ahri zyra renekton caitlyn leesin
TSM L shen thresh zed corki elise gragas sona rumble
SGOzone W evelynn ahri shen sona jarvaniv ezreal caitlyn zac
Gambit L thresh leesin zed corki elise zyra aatrox karthus
Fnatic W vi zed corki ahri ashe zyra leesin zac
V L aatrox shen orianna caitlyn elise lissandra sona vladimir
Mineski L renekton corki ahri zed zyra leesin ezreal nidalee
Gambit W thresh shen nocturne elise sona orianna kogmaw aatrox
Fnatic W leesin thresh *noban* zed corki zyra aatrox kassadin
SGOzone L ahri shen leona lissandra elise ezreal fiddlesticks zac
V W nocturne thresh zed shen vi zyra ashe twistedfate
Mineski L ahri orianna karthus corki elise sona leesin ryze
LD L vayne leesin ahri zed vi caitlyn renekton sona
SKTT1 W kennen shen elise zyra corki riven jarvaniv singed
OMG W ziggs kennen corki shen jarvaniv fizz ezreal annie
GGEU L ahri zed caitlyn orianna aatrox zyra nasus tristana
TSM L caitlyn orianna zyra zed elise twitch karthus annie
SKTT1 W vi shen fiddlesticks sona corki riven leesin jax
GGEU L caitlyn twistedfate fizz zed corki ahri jarvaniv lulu
LD W aatrox orianna sona shen vi zyra vayne kassadin
OMG W elise corki vi shen caitlyn fiddlesticks syndra volibear
TSM L zed renekton thresh ahri sona jarvaniv ezreal vladimir
Gambit L elise aatrox ahri orianna sona varus vi renekton
Fnatic W zed shen corki zyra leesin fizz ashe zac
V L caitlyn leesin thresh shen jarvaniv zyra ashe twistedfate
SGOzone W ahri corki zed sona elise singed vayne ezreal
Fnatic W thresh ahri corki shen leesin zed sivir blitzcrank
Mineski L aatrox fizz zac varus sona zilean nunu soraka
Gambit W zac kogmaw evelynn shen elise varus ahri zyra
V L aatrox corki vi sona zed leesin tristana singed
SGOzone W ahri corki elise thresh evelynn vayne orianna zac
Mineski L zed shen leesin ezreal jarvaniv leona karma drmundo
SGOzone L ahri corki shen sona elise varus twistedfate leesin
Gambit W caitlyn thresh zed aatrox evelynn zyra kogmaw kassadin

UniversalSnip

9871 Posts

September 22 2013 04:43 GMT

#4506

One nunu pick

How the mighty have fallen

wei2coolman

United States60033 Posts

September 22 2013 04:54 GMT

#4507

On September 22 2013 13:43 UniversalSnip wrote:
One nunu pick

How the mighty have fallen

one viegar pick now.
How the mighty have risen.

Carnivorous Sheep

Baa?21244 Posts

September 22 2013 04:57 GMT

#4508

lol

wei2coolman

United States60033 Posts

September 22 2013 04:58 GMT

#4509

On September 22 2013 13:57 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
lol

Viegar>zigg

scales better in lategame too, even in support. hue.

obesechicken13

United States10467 Posts

September 22 2013 05:00 GMT

#4510

On September 22 2013 13:35 TheHumanSensation wrote:
The last Alistar champion thread is pretty outdated, so I thought I'd ask here. I don't play much league, but I do grab first win vs bots most days and rotate champs to keep it interesting. Today I jungled Alistar for the first time in a long while, and I think I did something a little different and could maybe use some theorycraft help.

He still clears small camps as fast as ever, but falls off on killing big creeps in the midgame pretty hard with just a Q+autos per camp (which a spirit stone can sustain easy). Ganking whenever smite's down didn't feel like quite enough farm, and it burned through mana pretty quickly. What I did was grab a Chalice, so that I could spam heals and it lowered my camp clear time considerably, and it made sure I pretty much always had enough for a full combo gank. Went for Chalice/HGMobos/Golem core which seemed strong enough.

But if I'm grabbing a Chalice anyway, I probably should grab Madred's instead of SS to boost the single target clear, right? Haven't tried this out yet, but it seems better in theory to me, with the biggest detriments being an 880g investment in a Chalice and not getting the Golem spirit thing. Anyone have thoughts on how I should go about building this, or any other suggestions for Ali in the current jungle?

In my own experiments madreds isn't much faster than chalice on Kayle. I should have better controlled the experiment but both Kayles reached the same level and gold at level 10.

More mana = more spam of abilities.

Even if you are rushing a Chalice, I think it may be worthwhile to get a machete first? And then perhaps get the spirit stone.
Machete is a 300 gold item, so unless you really want a ward it's the best first item for a jungler.

Then stone is only 400 more gold whereas chalice is 880 and the health regen can still be useful. The main problem is definitely your tankiness, low dps, and weak clear speed after that. So sunfire seems like a good item to rush after boots 1.

This is all just theory from my side. Maybe Ali does better with more CDR from grail or SV or FH or Boots of lucidity than the dps of sunfire.