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-Zoda-
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
France3578 Posts
July 28 2013 14:03 GMT
#6181
Problem with buying Kass : he's banned so often that you won't play him much.
♪ 最初はi つなぐdo それ つまりlife 常に移動 ♪ - IGN: Uhryks
zer0das
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States8519 Posts
July 28 2013 14:17 GMT
#6182
Personally I think team fighting as Gragas is a lot more straight forward than Kass. You just poke with barrels all day long, and if someone gets way out of position you go for a pick off with your ult. If an actual fight breaks out, just split their team with explosive casks, watch as their front dies and then just clean up the stragglers.

In practice it's a lot harder because landing good ults with him takes some serious skill, and even slight movement can send someone flying off in some direction you didn't quite anticipate.

Then again I'm really good at Gragas at suck at Kassadin, so my point of view is probably skewed.
vvSiegvv
Profile Joined March 2010
United States364 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-28 14:24:35
July 28 2013 14:19 GMT
#6183
If you go with Gragas be ready for someone to rage when your ulti is slightly off. Worst feeling on Gragas IMO, but he's super fun.

EDIT: And you get to feel like Scarra when you ulti someone onto your q and then walk away like a badass.
Ghost-z
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1291 Posts
July 28 2013 14:31 GMT
#6184
On July 28 2013 22:41 Capped wrote:
I accidently bought a dorans shield on a malph jungle today and ended up getting a double kill on bot after red.

Its actually somewhat viable to start shield on him as i went back to base and bought chete+3 and didnt use the pots untill i was left ( -_- ) to solo drake.

Was surprised i didnt just die really lol, 1st clear time was somewhat slow but i just used smite on blue and then it came off CD when i went to red so buff times were faster.

Does dorans shield block the damage from the big monsters?
Fairy Tales when you're a child begin with "Once upon a time" and when you're an adult begin, "If elected I promise..."
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
July 28 2013 14:33 GMT
#6185
Obviously not :D.It does say "champion basic attacks" in passive ^^.
zer0das
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States8519 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-28 14:41:51
July 28 2013 14:39 GMT
#6186
On July 28 2013 23:19 vvSiegvv wrote:
If you go with Gragas be ready for someone to rage when your ulti is slightly off.


Yeah, people tend to go absolutely nuts if you screw up even one explosive cask. My point of view is, it's so powerful and on such a low cooldown, a single miss tends to be pretty irrelevant in the grand scheme of things so there's no point in beating yourself up over it. People routinely tell me I'm the worst Gragas ever (which tends to make me miss more ults, because of the extra pressure/time wasted jawing with them and that stuff takes some serious concentration), but he has a win rate of like 45% (which is good enough to be in the bottom 10 across all ranked play, mind you) and I win ~65% of my games with him and the other 2/3rds the time the enemy jungler is like "man, I wish I had Gragas on my team" and I do fine with him in arranged 5's.

Such is life when your ult is so difficult to land effectively. Sometimes you're just off and there's no much you can do but shrug your shoulders and move on to the next game.

I think my favorite case was some Xin Zhao flipping out at me when someone burned a flash to get away from my barrels while they were mid air and he died under tower (he should never have dived). It's like what do you want me to do Xin, telekinetically move my barrels mid-air? I'm not Jesus, and I don't have any wine because I'm not Gragas Esquire. There was no arguing with this guy, he just wanted to yell at me.
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
July 28 2013 14:43 GMT
#6187
That's just the truth of any skillshot reliant champion ever. Not even pros hit shit all the time and people forget that because they watch highlight reels and not actual games.

It doesn't matter how many incredible Lux bindings I can get in a game, if I screw one up the team will still bitch.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
July 28 2013 14:45 GMT
#6188
On July 28 2013 22:59 DarKFoRcE wrote:
Is any of you guys betting on OGN/LCS? I wrote a blog about it a few days ago, maybe some find it interesting: http://esportsedge.com/?p=941

@Neoillusions: is it ok to link my/our content here now and then?

It seems like you do a lot of writing in that blog. Go ahead and start your own thread imo and you can bump GD when you have new content.
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
zer0das
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States8519 Posts
July 28 2013 14:50 GMT
#6189
Well, Gragas ult is a bit different because there can be some pretty hilarious unintended consequences if you're not careful. Like kicking a fed, full health Jax straight onto your ADC (I've done this in an actual ranked game). There's so much you can't calculate and be 100% sure about before chucking explosive cask. People don't really understand this because so few people play him, so they tend to get extremely pissy if your ults aren't 100% on point.

And in my defense, when I kicked Jax onto Graves, the game was pretty out of control anyways so it was a good laugh. My team wasn't quite as amused. >_>
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
July 28 2013 14:52 GMT
#6190
On July 28 2013 23:50 zer0das wrote:
Well, Gragas ult is a bit different because there can be some pretty hilarious unintended consequences if you're not careful. Like kicking a fed, full health Jax straight onto your ADC (I've done this in an actual ranked game). There's so much you can't calculate and be 100% sure about before chucking explosive cask. People don't really understand this because so few people play him, so they tend to get extremely pissy if your ults aren't 100% on point.

And in my defense, when I kicked Jax onto Graves, the game was pretty out of control anyways so it was a good laugh. My team wasn't quite as amused. >_>

or, or, when you Exploding Casket the enemy team in attempts to zone them while your team does Dragon.
... and you hit no one. <_<

but it's ok, Dragon secured. <3
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
zer0das
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States8519 Posts
July 28 2013 14:57 GMT
#6191
Well, that didn't hit anyone. That was easy to predict once the ward was placed after I had already chucked it. xD

Calculated risk. All planned.
upperbound
Profile Joined September 2011
United States2300 Posts
July 28 2013 14:58 GMT
#6192
On July 28 2013 23:52 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2013 23:50 zer0das wrote:
Well, Gragas ult is a bit different because there can be some pretty hilarious unintended consequences if you're not careful. Like kicking a fed, full health Jax straight onto your ADC (I've done this in an actual ranked game). There's so much you can't calculate and be 100% sure about before chucking explosive cask. People don't really understand this because so few people play him, so they tend to get extremely pissy if your ults aren't 100% on point.

And in my defense, when I kicked Jax onto Graves, the game was pretty out of control anyways so it was a good laugh. My team wasn't quite as amused. >_>

or, or, when you Exploding Casket the enemy team in attempts to zone them while your team does Dragon.
... and you hit no one. <_<

but it's ok, Dragon secured. <3

Shots fired

That fight was pretty funny though
Sponkz
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark4564 Posts
July 28 2013 15:16 GMT
#6193
On July 28 2013 23:52 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2013 23:50 zer0das wrote:
Well, Gragas ult is a bit different because there can be some pretty hilarious unintended consequences if you're not careful. Like kicking a fed, full health Jax straight onto your ADC (I've done this in an actual ranked game). There's so much you can't calculate and be 100% sure about before chucking explosive cask. People don't really understand this because so few people play him, so they tend to get extremely pissy if your ults aren't 100% on point.

And in my defense, when I kicked Jax onto Graves, the game was pretty out of control anyways so it was a good laugh. My team wasn't quite as amused. >_>

or, or, when you Exploding Casket the enemy team in attempts to zone them while your team does Dragon.
... and you hit no one. <_<

but it's ok, Dragon secured. <3



That moment, where you steal baron with ult, is pretty priceless though =D
hi
zer0das
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States8519 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-28 15:19:34
July 28 2013 15:19 GMT
#6194
I secured a baron today when a Zed hopped over the wall and I freaked out and went "I DON'T TRUST THIS MUMMY TO SMITE" and my ult and q burst did like 1.3k damage. That's Gragas for you. It also happened to nearly instagib Zed.
-Zoda-
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
France3578 Posts
July 28 2013 15:19 GMT
#6195
On July 28 2013 22:59 DarKFoRcE wrote:
Is any of you guys betting on OGN/LCS? I wrote a blog about it a few days ago, maybe some find it interesting: http://esportsedge.com/?p=941

Thanks you, that's quite interesting. I'm looking to bet some, especially on worlds where I'm pretty sure koreans will be a safe bet.
♪ 最初はi つなぐdo それ つまりlife 常に移動 ♪ - IGN: Uhryks
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
July 28 2013 15:19 GMT
#6196
On July 28 2013 23:58 upperbound wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2013 23:52 NeoIllusions wrote:
On July 28 2013 23:50 zer0das wrote:
Well, Gragas ult is a bit different because there can be some pretty hilarious unintended consequences if you're not careful. Like kicking a fed, full health Jax straight onto your ADC (I've done this in an actual ranked game). There's so much you can't calculate and be 100% sure about before chucking explosive cask. People don't really understand this because so few people play him, so they tend to get extremely pissy if your ults aren't 100% on point.

And in my defense, when I kicked Jax onto Graves, the game was pretty out of control anyways so it was a good laugh. My team wasn't quite as amused. >_>

or, or, when you Exploding Casket the enemy team in attempts to zone them while your team does Dragon.
... and you hit no one. <_<

but it's ok, Dragon secured. <3

Shots fired

That fight was pretty funny though


I don't know why we didn't actually attack you after the Grag ult missed. Everyone was scared to engage, it was dumb.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
July 28 2013 15:20 GMT
#6197
On July 28 2013 22:59 DarKFoRcE wrote:
Is any of you guys betting on OGN/LCS? I wrote a blog about it a few days ago, maybe some find it interesting: http://esportsedge.com/?p=941

@Neoillusions: is it ok to link my/our content here now and then?

First advice on LoL betting: Stay the fuck away from EU LCS.
Glorious SEA doto
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
July 28 2013 15:23 GMT
#6198
On July 29 2013 00:19 Ketara wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2013 23:58 upperbound wrote:
On July 28 2013 23:52 NeoIllusions wrote:
On July 28 2013 23:50 zer0das wrote:
Well, Gragas ult is a bit different because there can be some pretty hilarious unintended consequences if you're not careful. Like kicking a fed, full health Jax straight onto your ADC (I've done this in an actual ranked game). There's so much you can't calculate and be 100% sure about before chucking explosive cask. People don't really understand this because so few people play him, so they tend to get extremely pissy if your ults aren't 100% on point.

And in my defense, when I kicked Jax onto Graves, the game was pretty out of control anyways so it was a good laugh. My team wasn't quite as amused. >_>

or, or, when you Exploding Casket the enemy team in attempts to zone them while your team does Dragon.
... and you hit no one. <_<

but it's ok, Dragon secured. <3

Shots fired

That fight was pretty funny though


I don't know why we didn't actually attack you after the Grag ult missed. Everyone was scared to engage, it was dumb.

We still had Kennen and Graves ulti.
But realistically, it was on you (Lux) to hit a bind during/immediately after we finished Dragon.
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
Jerubaal
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States7684 Posts
July 28 2013 15:34 GMT
#6199
On July 28 2013 23:52 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2013 23:50 zer0das wrote:
Well, Gragas ult is a bit different because there can be some pretty hilarious unintended consequences if you're not careful. Like kicking a fed, full health Jax straight onto your ADC (I've done this in an actual ranked game). There's so much you can't calculate and be 100% sure about before chucking explosive cask. People don't really understand this because so few people play him, so they tend to get extremely pissy if your ults aren't 100% on point.

And in my defense, when I kicked Jax onto Graves, the game was pretty out of control anyways so it was a good laugh. My team wasn't quite as amused. >_>

or, or, when you Exploding Casket the enemy team in attempts to zone them while your team does Dragon.
... and you hit no one. <_<

but it's ok, Dragon secured. <3


Or when you have a lot of aoe ults/damage in your team but that casket just guaranteed that they are spread out.
I'm not stupid, a marauder just shot my brain.
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-28 15:39:37
July 28 2013 15:34 GMT
#6200
On July 29 2013 00:23 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2013 00:19 Ketara wrote:
On July 28 2013 23:58 upperbound wrote:
On July 28 2013 23:52 NeoIllusions wrote:
On July 28 2013 23:50 zer0das wrote:
Well, Gragas ult is a bit different because there can be some pretty hilarious unintended consequences if you're not careful. Like kicking a fed, full health Jax straight onto your ADC (I've done this in an actual ranked game). There's so much you can't calculate and be 100% sure about before chucking explosive cask. People don't really understand this because so few people play him, so they tend to get extremely pissy if your ults aren't 100% on point.

And in my defense, when I kicked Jax onto Graves, the game was pretty out of control anyways so it was a good laugh. My team wasn't quite as amused. >_>

or, or, when you Exploding Casket the enemy team in attempts to zone them while your team does Dragon.
... and you hit no one. <_<

but it's ok, Dragon secured. <3

Shots fired

That fight was pretty funny though


I don't know why we didn't actually attack you after the Grag ult missed. Everyone was scared to engage, it was dumb.

We still had Kennen and Graves ulti.
But realistically, it was on you (Lux) to hit a bind during/immediately after we finished Dragon.


It's really difficult for me to get a desirable binding with our comp against yours.

If I bind Xin and we jump him he's gonna knock us away. If I bind Kennen and we jump him he just ults anyway. Gragas can dodge it with body slam really easily. I wasn't able to get to Graves the entire game because your front line was so scary, plus he can easily dodge it.

I was focusing on getting binds on Xin/Kennen as they dove into us, or getting picks on Zyra which I was able to do a couple times because she liked to telegraph her moving forward a little bit too much IMO.

Maybe I should have been less reactionary, dunno.

I really liked Zors idea that we should have focused on Jax split pushing and defending 4v5 at towers. We did it a little bit and it seemed to be working, we just didn't have any sort of a plan and you need a coherent plan when you're going to do a strat like that. Jax with teleport and us communicating better could have helped a lot.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
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