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On May 04 2013 19:01 Lmui wrote:
With a biscuit on sona, biscuit + mana manip + 3 wards might be doable, it wouldn't be particularly safe but it'd definitely be possible. Taric might also be alright with it. Starting 2 wards bottom lane is possible, I do it all the time with flask + 2 wards for fun but it's also rather dangerous if you can't make something happen with the extra mana.
I'm starting flask with Lulu but I may just change to some more pots opening, so I have more wards and can skew the regen more towards mana than health. The nerf on this patch's pretty harsh. ;_;
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Surprised there is no Sejuani Nerfs.
Can just like stack health and then grab Sorc shoes, she get so tanky and do so much damage. Not unreasonable to have 2k bonus HP late mid game; You build tanky and then your W just does 660 Damage, then the 15% HP damage and 160 base from Q, as well as the 260 base on E and the 350 base on R she just does a ton of damage. I been playing her a lot, and I really think her base numbers need nerfs. Thats 1286(+16% max HP) in AoE damage. Thats better than Ahri's 0 AP base numbers can do to a single target... AND she has AoE knockup, AoE 70% slow (only 2s downtime with CDR), and the AoE Stun Ultimate.
Something has to give imo. The passive change that give her free armor make her early jungle so much more manageable, so much stronger... the fact that her late game still so abusive is ridiculous. I 11-0 in her now, at this rate she carry a bad like me all the way to diamond.
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Zed has been picked and banned a TON in korea. EU LCS only started to pick him up about halfway into the season and there's nobody in NA that plays him.
NA mids are honestly not good enough to master Zed quickly so I think they just decided to not bother trying.
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They won't tweak Sejuani so soon unless she's hotfix levels of absurd, and considering they didn't touch Zac that way they won't for Sejuani. Just give it time to settles.
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sejuani is good,pacers and golden state advance to seminfinals,barcelon gets annihilated back to back.
what reality is this
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On May 04 2013 20:47 TheKefka wrote:
sejuani is good,pacers and golden state advance to seminfinals,barcelon gets annihilated back to back.
what reality is this
Sejuani was always good.
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Oh good. Cass was already freelo; time to just hammer that home a bit before they realized that many good cass players already rushed rylais and this change basically guarantees a flash or kill after hitting the first E.
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Even bad Cass players like me rushed it, you'd have to be silly to forgo the HP buffer+permaslow on a champion that's so squishy and reliant on kiting. 
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Finland33997 Posts
Making Cass E slow by 35% with Rylai?
Spectral Wraith, Rylai, Liandrys. Maybe I should switch back to mid...
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Woah, more hipsters than usual coming out for these notes. My champ has always been OP but no-one noticed.
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Rylai core on Cass != Cass OP.
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Sejuani was always good.
Oh good. Cass was already freelo
...as some of the more overt ones on this page Alaric
EDIT: oh, possible you weren't talking to me.
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I was, my bad for missing the Cass comment though (I wouldn't call her freelo with all the assassins roaming around in the mid lane and how squishy she is x_x).
Though Sejuani was good. Her first clear was vulnerable, but she was world aparts from the pile of trash people were depicting—it's just that she "wasn't the best" and that such a vulnerable first clear made her abusable competitively (like how Amumu gets abused in his jungle), so people assumed she wasn't worth playing at all.
I haven't played the new one outside of ARAMs (her W feels so weird with the attack or press again to trigger, though) so I can't comment on her but she should do even more damage early on, on top of having a knock-up, so she should be even stronger.
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Sweet. A notable buff on Cass 
Give us more Ryut!
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On May 04 2013 18:55 Caphe wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2013 18:39 Serelitz wrote:
I'd rather have Zed not being played competitively than another 6 months of him being ridiculously broken. Same with Thresh and a few others TBH.
If you make a champion that scales too well with skill it's always going to be broken until he gets to a spot where only the few REALLY good players can play him. Look at Lee Sin. That's where Zed and Thresh are going to end up eventually. Actually, if they nerf Zed too much, noone will play him again. He is not Lee Sin where you can make alot of plays with his kits no matter how much you nerf him. Zed actually has a very straight forward way to play, if he was nerfed to a level he can no longer be a formidable thread to the other team, noone would play him anymore. What I think is, Riot is too quick to nerf him, after all, he really shines in the EU LCS and that's about it. Maybe they should left him alone and let teams around the world to figure him out. NA teams havent touched him yet.
He's played a lot in OGN, NA is in the minority not playing him. His ult is on a low enough CD that he doesn't stay useless for long and the proposed nerfs don't seem too bad, but might temper some of his lane phase. He was really strong and played a fair amount, I'm not surprised Riot is looking into him.
Edit: Also I think you're being a little dismissive of his kit, I don't think it's nearly as easy as you make it out to be. Sure most of his skill just boil down to doing damage, but managing his shadows requires some practiced coordination.
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new mikael gonna be <3 for lulu sona
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I think when you're looking at mana manipulator starts on supports, it's going to depend less on who your support is and more on who your ADC is.
If they're somebody who gets a lot of bullying power out of that extra regen, mana manip + 3 wards will probably be a great start. Sona+Varus or Sona+MF, for example.
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Oh cool. I used to main Cass back before Viktor came out. That's a welcome change, although likely an overbuff. She's just tough in a meta with so much gap close and bruiser/assassin burst.
I've got a friend who literally only plays her. Inc free plat for him lol
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On May 05 2013 00:13 nyxnyxnyx wrote:
new mikael gonna be <3 for lulu sona
and nami, shes mana hungry as hell, now dont have to feel bad about getting chalice.
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