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VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
February 01 2013 19:23 GMT
#461
why did they not get scarra for that hype video?




....hue
I come in for the scraps
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
February 01 2013 19:24 GMT
#462
Gold 1, Maokai's Captains @_@.

I think everybody in my division is a root.
Porouscloud - NA LoL
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
February 01 2013 19:24 GMT
#463
On February 02 2013 04:24 Amui wrote:
Gold 1, Maokai's Captains @_@.

I think everybody in my division is a root.

Mines Sorakas Warriors or somethign

we are all half human half goats
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
nojitosunrise
Profile Joined August 2011
United States6188 Posts
February 01 2013 19:25 GMT
#464
On February 02 2013 04:23 VayneAuthority wrote:
why did they not get scarra for that hype video?




....hue


or QTpie?

Them locks of lustrous hair flailing back would have been awesome.
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
February 01 2013 19:26 GMT
#465
On February 02 2013 04:23 jcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2013 04:19 mordek wrote:
Yeah, league players running in slow motion is pretty amusing

I was super proud to get 1700 (arena helm!) with my BM hunter with ele shaman. I was terribad at competitive WoW. It was a social thing I did with my bros.


Yeah in season 1-2 i was like 1850, in season 3 i only hit like 1700, but in season 4 and 5 i was 2250 and was like top 5 on my server, and was the #1 hunter with my holy paladin buddy (the other top ranking teams were like all pally/dk, or like rogue/mage)


Survival hunter and pally...the two gayest roles in S4/5. You would, coogle, you would.
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Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
February 01 2013 19:27 GMT
#466
On February 02 2013 03:58 Slayer91 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2013 03:35 Seuss wrote:
On February 02 2013 03:06 Slayer91 wrote:
On February 02 2013 02:45 Seuss wrote:
On February 02 2013 02:16 Slayer91 wrote:
On February 01 2013 10:26 Seuss wrote:
On February 01 2013 10:14 NeoIllusions wrote:
I don't get the complaints about Seekers. LiNk thinks that item is going to be popular as fk and I concur.


It's a matter of principle, specifically, "Perfection is achieved not when there is nothing left to add, but when there is nothing left to take away.” – Antoine de Saint-Exupery


That quote is kinda wrong though. I guess it's like "well if you have a blade that's half as long as you need it to be and has no hilt it's a perfect half sized blade with no hilt" while "a blade with a hilt that needs sharpening needs something to be taken away".

In mathematical terms
he's saying
Perfection isn't inf(upper bound) but is sup(lower bound)

infimum of an upper bound is the lowest possible value of the upper bound which in 1-D terms basically means nothing left to ad
supreme of a lower bound is his highest possible value of a lower bound still in the function again in 1-D terms nothing left to take away.

In mathematics for a function to be integratable it must satisfy both of these conditions. And from my viewpoint it's the same as perfection. A perfect blade has just enough of something, not too much of not too little.

There's a point in that quote and its eloquent but it's incomplete. Ironically the quote is perfect if you take the assumption that what he says in the quote is true. LOL, fucking french fag hoisted by his own petards gg l2math bro


But he's not talking about math. o.O

The fuller version of the quote is: "A designer knows he has achieved perfection not when there is nothing left to add, but when there is nothing left to take away." Antoine de Saint-Exupéry was poet, aviator, and author of The Little Prince, not a mathematician. He's not talking about bounds, integration, and functions, he's talking about writing, verse, and design.

I'm imagining if I'd quoted "a date that will live in infamy" you'd have said, "lolwut dates don't live".


you just repeated the quote again as if they proves your post
it doesnt matter what we're talking about
a story isn't perfect if there's nothing to take away, a blank page has nothing to take away. A perfect story without an ending has nothing to take away but you just cut off an important piece. It's an important quote because it puts focus on keeping things trim to preserve clarity of vision however that's not everything. It's just "less is more" is usually a good guideline because people in design and writing tend to overclutter things when it's not needed. Conciseness is good but that quote shouldn't be taken out of context as I explained in my above post.


I'm really confused what context you think the quote is being taken out of. Here's the full context of the original quote:

Sometime in the 1940's Antoine de Saint-Exupéry wrote:
And now, having spoken of the men born of the pilot's craft, I shall say something about the tool with which they work-the air-plane. Have you looked at a modern airplane? Have you followed from year to year the evolution of its lines? Have you ever thought, not only about the airplane but about whatever man builds, that all of man's industrial efforts, all his computations and calculations, all the nights spent over working draughts and blueprints, invariably culminate in the production of a thing whose sole and guiding principle is the ultimate principle of simplicity?

It is as if there were a natural law which ordained that to achieve this end, to refine the curve of a piece of furniture, or a ship's keel, or the fuselage of an airplane, until gradually it partakes of the elementary purity of the curve of 'a human breast or shoulder, there must be the experimentation of several generations of craftsmen. In anything at all, perfection is finally attained not when there is no longer anything to add, but when there is no longer anything to take away, when a body has been stripped down to its nakedness.


The quote is quite clearly describing a principle of design where all that is extraneous is removed and all that which is necessary is kept, nothing more or less. This is the principle which I'm applying when I say that Seeker's Armguard is an extraneous addition to LoL's design.

I feel like you're misunderstanding the quote, and my point, the same way people commonly misunderstand Occam's Razor.


The first airplanes are pretty shitty compared to modern airplanes. Taking a finished product and removing anything unnecessary over and over again is also together with adding new functionality. There is a principle of simplicity where extra shit we don't need = extra shit we don't need, but new shit = extra functionality. I'm not saying the principle is wrong but that it's incomplete. You shouldn't ALWAYS try to hone things down, you want to add things as well. Same with league items, adding items is good as long as they have their place.

"The extraneous removed and the necessary is kept" is what I was mentioning in my first post. The quote only handles removing things. But adding things which are deemed necessary is never mentioned there. You don't start with everything you need and more and get rid of the rest. Evolution started from cells and built up, unnecessary things were weeded out by hte principle of survival of the fittest.


Adding things which are necessary isn't explicitly mentioned because it's as fundamental to being a designer as adding and subtraction are to being a mathematician. It's so basic that drawing attention to it is meaningless. The quote isn't any more incomplete for failing to point out the obvious than "Four score and seven year ago" was incomplete for failing to cite the specific date.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
Atokad
Profile Joined November 2010
United States204 Posts
February 01 2013 19:27 GMT
#467
I have Gold III - "Sion's Army"
2016 Year of Losira!
Louuster
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada2869 Posts
February 01 2013 19:27 GMT
#468
20 min queue to log in, kinda excited to see my division name now
Kim Taek Yong fighting~
Crownlol
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States3726 Posts
February 01 2013 19:27 GMT
#469
On February 02 2013 04:24 arb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2013 04:24 Amui wrote:
Gold 1, Maokai's Captains @_@.

I think everybody in my division is a root.

Mines Sorakas Warriors or somethign

we are all half human half goats


Don't hate- my friend attempted a MLP cosplay once, and ended up looking EXACTLY like Soraka. She has an an amazing body too, so it was just altogether awesome.

shaGuar :: elemeNt :: XeqtR :: naikon :: method
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
February 01 2013 19:29 GMT
#470
I think the top played champions is bugged. Nunu kass skarner urgot corki, which for me is in the middle of my ranked played list.

should be noct olaf anivia irelia sona.
Porouscloud - NA LoL
zer0das
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States8519 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-01 19:33:31
February 01 2013 19:30 GMT
#471
I'm in Volibears Paragon's, gold division 5 (the lowest). :>
jcc
Profile Joined January 2011
United States472 Posts
February 01 2013 19:30 GMT
#472
On February 02 2013 04:26 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2013 04:23 jcc wrote:
On February 02 2013 04:19 mordek wrote:
Yeah, league players running in slow motion is pretty amusing

I was super proud to get 1700 (arena helm!) with my BM hunter with ele shaman. I was terribad at competitive WoW. It was a social thing I did with my bros.


Yeah in season 1-2 i was like 1850, in season 3 i only hit like 1700, but in season 4 and 5 i was 2250 and was like top 5 on my server, and was the #1 hunter with my holy paladin buddy (the other top ranking teams were like all pally/dk, or like rogue/mage)


Survival hunter and pally...the two gayest roles in S4/5. You would, coogle, you would.


LOL, to be fair though, i had done survival hunter ever since s2. In BC i was one of 2 survival hunters in top tier raiding guilds doing Hyjal, BT, SSC, TK, etc. It took like 2 weeks of convincing my guild to let me originally join, but when i showed them the numbers, and that having at least 1 Surv hunter for Expose Weakness was worth it more than having another BM hunter i got in and stayed with em for years. So i didn't hop on the explosive shot bandwagon TY VERY MUCH! lol, been survival for like years. But ya, Surv hunter / holy pal in s4/5 was super op
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NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
February 01 2013 19:31 GMT
#473
On February 02 2013 03:58 kainzero wrote:
yesterday i realized that miss fortune means misfortune

i am so dumb
this college degree is worthless


If I could highlight posts, this would be one of them.

<3 kainzero
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Leeto
Profile Joined August 2007
United States1320 Posts
February 01 2013 19:32 GMT
#474
Jarvan IV's Vindicators. That's okay.. could be worse lol
OutlaW-
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Czech Republic5053 Posts
February 01 2013 19:33 GMT
#475
On February 02 2013 04:25 nojitosunrise wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2013 04:23 VayneAuthority wrote:
why did they not get scarra for that hype video?




....hue


or QTpie?

Them locks of lustrous hair flailing back would have been awesome.

QTpie in that video would have destroyed the universe. I'm not sure we want that.
Delete your post underage b&. You're incestuous for you're onee-chan so you're clearly not a bad guy, but others might not agree
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-01 19:37:01
February 01 2013 19:34 GMT
#476
On February 02 2013 04:09 barbsq wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2013 03:58 Slayer91 wrote:
On February 02 2013 03:35 Seuss wrote:
On February 02 2013 03:06 Slayer91 wrote:
On February 02 2013 02:45 Seuss wrote:
On February 02 2013 02:16 Slayer91 wrote:
On February 01 2013 10:26 Seuss wrote:
On February 01 2013 10:14 NeoIllusions wrote:
I don't get the complaints about Seekers. LiNk thinks that item is going to be popular as fk and I concur.


It's a matter of principle, specifically, "Perfection is achieved not when there is nothing left to add, but when there is nothing left to take away.” – Antoine de Saint-Exupery


That quote is kinda wrong though. I guess it's like "well if you have a blade that's half as long as you need it to be and has no hilt it's a perfect half sized blade with no hilt" while "a blade with a hilt that needs sharpening needs something to be taken away".

In mathematical terms
he's saying
Perfection isn't inf(upper bound) but is sup(lower bound)

infimum of an upper bound is the lowest possible value of the upper bound which in 1-D terms basically means nothing left to ad
supreme of a lower bound is his highest possible value of a lower bound still in the function again in 1-D terms nothing left to take away.

In mathematics for a function to be integratable it must satisfy both of these conditions. And from my viewpoint it's the same as perfection. A perfect blade has just enough of something, not too much of not too little.

There's a point in that quote and its eloquent but it's incomplete. Ironically the quote is perfect if you take the assumption that what he says in the quote is true. LOL, fucking french fag hoisted by his own petards gg l2math bro


But he's not talking about math. o.O

The fuller version of the quote is: "A designer knows he has achieved perfection not when there is nothing left to add, but when there is nothing left to take away." Antoine de Saint-Exupéry was poet, aviator, and author of The Little Prince, not a mathematician. He's not talking about bounds, integration, and functions, he's talking about writing, verse, and design.

I'm imagining if I'd quoted "a date that will live in infamy" you'd have said, "lolwut dates don't live".


you just repeated the quote again as if they proves your post
it doesnt matter what we're talking about
a story isn't perfect if there's nothing to take away, a blank page has nothing to take away. A perfect story without an ending has nothing to take away but you just cut off an important piece. It's an important quote because it puts focus on keeping things trim to preserve clarity of vision however that's not everything. It's just "less is more" is usually a good guideline because people in design and writing tend to overclutter things when it's not needed. Conciseness is good but that quote shouldn't be taken out of context as I explained in my above post.


I'm really confused what context you think the quote is being taken out of. Here's the full context of the original quote:

Sometime in the 1940's Antoine de Saint-Exupéry wrote:
And now, having spoken of the men born of the pilot's craft, I shall say something about the tool with which they work-the air-plane. Have you looked at a modern airplane? Have you followed from year to year the evolution of its lines? Have you ever thought, not only about the airplane but about whatever man builds, that all of man's industrial efforts, all his computations and calculations, all the nights spent over working draughts and blueprints, invariably culminate in the production of a thing whose sole and guiding principle is the ultimate principle of simplicity?

It is as if there were a natural law which ordained that to achieve this end, to refine the curve of a piece of furniture, or a ship's keel, or the fuselage of an airplane, until gradually it partakes of the elementary purity of the curve of 'a human breast or shoulder, there must be the experimentation of several generations of craftsmen. In anything at all, perfection is finally attained not when there is no longer anything to add, but when there is no longer anything to take away, when a body has been stripped down to its nakedness.


The quote is quite clearly describing a principle of design where all that is extraneous is removed and all that which is necessary is kept, nothing more or less. This is the principle which I'm applying when I say that Seeker's Armguard is an extraneous addition to LoL's design.

I feel like you're misunderstanding the quote, and my point, the same way people commonly misunderstand Occam's Razor.


The first airplanes are pretty shitty compared to modern airplanes. Taking a finished product and removing anything unnecessary over and over again is also together with adding new functionality. There is a principle of simplicity where extra shit we don't need = extra shit we don't need, but new shit = extra functionality. I'm not saying the principle is wrong but that it's incomplete. You shouldn't ALWAYS try to hone things down, you want to add things as well. Same with league items, adding items is good as long as they have their place.

I think the issue you have with the idea of minimalism displayed in the quote is that it has the potential to stifle forward progress and inevitably reduce variety, which in turn can stifle creativity. I think a basic assumption is taken on the part Mr. de Saint-Exupéry in that he assumes that the genesis of all of the new ideas has already occurred, and that only by removing the unnecessary, given there is a plethora of ideas/designs already in existence, can you achieve perfection. I suspect your issue is the non-inclusion of this assumption.


Wow that's really eloquent yeah this i guess? LOL


jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
February 01 2013 19:34 GMT
#477
Can you search for someone else's division? If so, would someone mind posting mine? I'm currently on the road to a meet at West Point, so I can't look myself.
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obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
February 01 2013 19:34 GMT
#478
On February 02 2013 04:31 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2013 03:58 kainzero wrote:
yesterday i realized that miss fortune means misfortune

i am so dumb
this college degree is worthless


If I could highlight posts, this would be one of them.

<3 kainzero

Why can't I thumbs this up? lol. I haven't finished my degree yet. I've learned a bit but overall it's entirely possible to learn more on ones own unless you want to get really technical and learn something that can't be found in books or online.
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
February 01 2013 19:35 GMT
#479
wow that season 3 hype vid
don't care that it was a bit silly, it was still retardedly epic
i'm so stoked for season 3 guys i can't even handle it, like this is real now, e-sports is a real thing, you don't have to be ashamed any more
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
February 01 2013 19:36 GMT
#480
On February 02 2013 04:34 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Can you search for someone else's division? If so, would someone mind posting mine? I'm currently on the road to a meet at West Point, so I can't look myself.



taric's enforcers lol.
I come in for the scraps
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