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I think one also has to note they said he got banned from Championship Series which I believe is Riots own series and not independent leagues/events? Which the situation be far less harsh if Riot didn't control the whole scene so he was merely banned from a league and not everything?
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On December 05 2012 06:53 dottycakes wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2012 06:50 onlywonderboy wrote:On December 05 2012 06:48 Numy wrote:On December 05 2012 06:43 Roffles wrote:On December 05 2012 06:35 SnK-Arcbound wrote:On December 05 2012 06:33 Roffles wrote:
A year is fucking insane for what he did. Yeah, he was unsportsmanlike, so toss him out for a certain period of time. But when you compare that to some of the suspensions people get in sports these days and that's absolutely killer. You get caught roiding? 50 game ban out of 162 game season. Get into a fight in a basketball game? Even Artest only got 70 games for fighting fans in the stands.
And now you take a look at IWD, who's really a saint in comparison to some of the other high level players out there. What'd he do? He made fun of someone and made their life miserable. Boofuckinhoo. Suspend him a year for that? Absolutely ridiculous from my perspective. UFC fighters get suspended for 6 months to a year. Cause roiding up and cheating is clearly at the same level of punishment as taunting other people in game. Yes, I understand he's a repeat offender, but at worst I'd equate his actions to someone talking shit all game in a basketball game. Equate him to say a Rasheed Wallace, someone known for talking shit all game long. Yes, he gets his fair share of suspensions because of his piss poor behavior on the court, but would you ever suspend him a year because he wanted to talk shit at refs and other players and yell "BALL DONT LIE" all game long? Can't say I agree with Riot at all on this one, even though I think it makes Dignitas a stronger team. You can't somehow make analogies like that since this has nothing to do with in a competitive game. If you want to do it your way it would be more akin to this Rasheed Wallace person playing basketball games with fans and shit talking them constantly/poor behaviour. There's a difference between talking his to your competition in a game and to others. That analogy doesn't work either, a pro basketball player isn't going to get suspended for kicking a bunch of random people's asses in a pick-up game and talking shit the entire time. If he was suspended for that exact thing it would be closer to this situation. Actually, NBA players get fined often for speaking unfavorable quotes to the public. If a player were to constantly be out in the public making the league look bad (trash talking pick up games), I wouldn't be surprised if they suspended the player for a long period either. Edit: Though I'm not saying what Riot did was right or fair. It does seem too harsh IMO.
I have never in my life heard of a player in the NBA get in trouble for shit talking during a pick up game.
This is ridiculous. It completely ruins IWD's career. Not because he acted unprofessionally in a competitive setting or in a public interview but during his solo queue games that he didn't even stream he acted like a dick. I don't care if he was an asshole in one thousand solo queue games it isn't grounds to not allow someone to play competitively.
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Wouldn't be surprised if Dignitas rebels by pulling their LoL team altogether. Hell i'd reccomend that. discipline of pro players is up to the team, not the owners of the game.
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On December 05 2012 07:00 overt wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2012 06:53 dottycakes wrote:On December 05 2012 06:50 onlywonderboy wrote:On December 05 2012 06:48 Numy wrote:On December 05 2012 06:43 Roffles wrote:On December 05 2012 06:35 SnK-Arcbound wrote:On December 05 2012 06:33 Roffles wrote:
A year is fucking insane for what he did. Yeah, he was unsportsmanlike, so toss him out for a certain period of time. But when you compare that to some of the suspensions people get in sports these days and that's absolutely killer. You get caught roiding? 50 game ban out of 162 game season. Get into a fight in a basketball game? Even Artest only got 70 games for fighting fans in the stands.
And now you take a look at IWD, who's really a saint in comparison to some of the other high level players out there. What'd he do? He made fun of someone and made their life miserable. Boofuckinhoo. Suspend him a year for that? Absolutely ridiculous from my perspective. UFC fighters get suspended for 6 months to a year. Cause roiding up and cheating is clearly at the same level of punishment as taunting other people in game. Yes, I understand he's a repeat offender, but at worst I'd equate his actions to someone talking shit all game in a basketball game. Equate him to say a Rasheed Wallace, someone known for talking shit all game long. Yes, he gets his fair share of suspensions because of his piss poor behavior on the court, but would you ever suspend him a year because he wanted to talk shit at refs and other players and yell "BALL DONT LIE" all game long? Can't say I agree with Riot at all on this one, even though I think it makes Dignitas a stronger team. You can't somehow make analogies like that since this has nothing to do with in a competitive game. If you want to do it your way it would be more akin to this Rasheed Wallace person playing basketball games with fans and shit talking them constantly/poor behaviour. There's a difference between talking his to your competition in a game and to others. That analogy doesn't work either, a pro basketball player isn't going to get suspended for kicking a bunch of random people's asses in a pick-up game and talking shit the entire time. If he was suspended for that exact thing it would be closer to this situation. Actually, NBA players get fined often for speaking unfavorable quotes to the public. If a player were to constantly be out in the public making the league look bad (trash talking pick up games), I wouldn't be surprised if they suspended the player for a long period either. Edit: Though I'm not saying what Riot did was right or fair. It does seem too harsh IMO. I have never in my life heard of a player in the NBA get in trouble for shit talking during a pick up game. This is ridiculous. It completely ruins IWD's career. Not because he acted unprofessionally in a competitive setting or in a public interview but during his solo queue games that he didn't even stream he acted like a dick. I don't care if he was an asshole in one thousand solo queue games it isn't grounds to not allow someone to play competitively.
It's a growing trend and it makes me so sad. Why is shit talking being discouraged in gaming? There's so much worse on the internet, but we're not allowed to swear or say anything that can be hurtful? Fuck that.
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Soooo Quantic just imploded, and they picked up a LoL team basically like a week ago, where do you think they goin next?
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On December 05 2012 07:01 PrinceXizor wrote:
Wouldn't be surprised if Dignitas rebels by pulling their LoL team altogether. Hell i'd reccomend that. discipline of pro players is up to the team, not the owners of the game.
Dignitas has nothing to bargain with. Riot isn't going to lose much if Dig pull out tbh. It's not like they have some competitor they can go to and play for instead thus forcing some kind of need for them. If anything Dignitas need to lay down their heads and act the good little boys lol.
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IWD is a toxic player, no doubt about that. But there are plenty of professional players on teams that also have a toxic attitude in solo queue. You can start with like the entirety of TD and like half of M5. Hell, M5 was even courteous enough to talk shit and tell the opposing team to shut the fuck up in a tournament game. Why are they still playing? You'd think they'd axe someone who talked shit in a professional setting before they looked at solo queue, right????
Very disappointing news to me. Although this gives Dignitas the chance to pick up someone who's actually good at jungling.
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Even if people agree the severity of the punishment is justifiable, I just can't wrap my head around the idea of so many people supporting Riot for making this decision out of the blue. If they came out with an announcement "Anyone who receives a permaban is not allowed to compete in a Riot sanctioned tournament" I would be totally okay with that. But to have the announcement be the same as them making an example of someone seems really unprofessional on their part.
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On December 05 2012 05:34 Crownlol wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2012 05:26 thenexusp wrote:On December 05 2012 05:25 Perplex wrote:
im so torn. Do I still go 21 offense on AP carries? Utility looks so good, especially with the free ward and biscuit.. I feel so safe Dude, you can't say no to the biscuit. 13/0/17
There's nothing in utility with 17 points worth getting over the damage you get from offensive. Sustain isn't so bad that you need biscuit, especially when getting blue buff and hp pots are cheap.
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On December 05 2012 07:02 rewired wrote:
Soooo Quantic just imploded, and they picked up a LoL team basically like a week ago, where do you think they goin next?
They picked up a lol team? I never heard of this.
And thinking now they should have probably issued a public warning to him before delivering a full year suspension. this is basicaly killing his carrer and even if its a statement ban its really overkill.
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On December 05 2012 07:04 Sermokala wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2012 07:02 rewired wrote:
Soooo Quantic just imploded, and they picked up a LoL team basically like a week ago, where do you think they goin next? They picked up a lol team? I never heard of this. And thinking now they should have probably issued a public warning to him before delivering a full year suspension. this is basicaly killing his carrer and even if its a statement ban its really overkill.
They issued him 8 warnings / temp bans before this, and his behavior was only getting worse. Like how stupid can u be, that u think that after 8 times u are banned, perm is not near?
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I think it's a good step if the punishment was no where near as extreme. Docking pay(which Riot is giving too) and suspension for month/two seems far better option than killing his chance at league basically. Like it's pretty clear most pro gamers aren't really used to the environment they are in so it's real easy for their egos to get inflated fast. A small ego check would most likely have curbed 90% of the toxic behaviour.
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On December 05 2012 07:03 onlywonderboy wrote:
Even if people agree the severity of the punishment is justifiable, I just can't wrap my head around the idea of so many people supporting Riot for making this decision out of the blue. If they came out with an announcement "Anyone who receives a permaban is not allowed to compete in a Riot sanctioned tournament" I would be totally okay with that. But to have the announcement be the same as them making an example of someone seems really unprofessional on their part.
If you've receive 8 (count them, EIGHT) warnings and bans previously, I don't think that constitutes "out of the blue."
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On December 05 2012 07:00 overt wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2012 06:53 dottycakes wrote:On December 05 2012 06:50 onlywonderboy wrote:On December 05 2012 06:48 Numy wrote:On December 05 2012 06:43 Roffles wrote:On December 05 2012 06:35 SnK-Arcbound wrote:On December 05 2012 06:33 Roffles wrote:
A year is fucking insane for what he did. Yeah, he was unsportsmanlike, so toss him out for a certain period of time. But when you compare that to some of the suspensions people get in sports these days and that's absolutely killer. You get caught roiding? 50 game ban out of 162 game season. Get into a fight in a basketball game? Even Artest only got 70 games for fighting fans in the stands.
And now you take a look at IWD, who's really a saint in comparison to some of the other high level players out there. What'd he do? He made fun of someone and made their life miserable. Boofuckinhoo. Suspend him a year for that? Absolutely ridiculous from my perspective. UFC fighters get suspended for 6 months to a year. Cause roiding up and cheating is clearly at the same level of punishment as taunting other people in game. Yes, I understand he's a repeat offender, but at worst I'd equate his actions to someone talking shit all game in a basketball game. Equate him to say a Rasheed Wallace, someone known for talking shit all game long. Yes, he gets his fair share of suspensions because of his piss poor behavior on the court, but would you ever suspend him a year because he wanted to talk shit at refs and other players and yell "BALL DONT LIE" all game long? Can't say I agree with Riot at all on this one, even though I think it makes Dignitas a stronger team. You can't somehow make analogies like that since this has nothing to do with in a competitive game. If you want to do it your way it would be more akin to this Rasheed Wallace person playing basketball games with fans and shit talking them constantly/poor behaviour. There's a difference between talking his to your competition in a game and to others. That analogy doesn't work either, a pro basketball player isn't going to get suspended for kicking a bunch of random people's asses in a pick-up game and talking shit the entire time. If he was suspended for that exact thing it would be closer to this situation. Actually, NBA players get fined often for speaking unfavorable quotes to the public. If a player were to constantly be out in the public making the league look bad (trash talking pick up games), I wouldn't be surprised if they suspended the player for a long period either. Edit: Though I'm not saying what Riot did was right or fair. It does seem too harsh IMO. I have never in my life heard of a player in the NBA get in trouble for shit talking during a pick up game. This is ridiculous. It completely ruins IWD's career. Not because he acted unprofessionally in a competitive setting or in a public interview but during his solo queue games that he didn't even stream he acted like a dick. I don't care if he was an asshole in one thousand solo queue games it isn't grounds to not allow someone to play competitively.
I respectfully disagree. LoL differs from other sports by having a central organ for both amateur and competitive play (Riot), and they make the rules. The rules are that you adhere to the Summoner's Code at all times, not just in your competitive matches. In most sports you wouldn't be banned from competitive play for being an ass, but other sports are different in organization.
As far as this ruining his career, he should've thought about that after being warned about permbanning 8 times. Imo Riot has been fairly lenient, they dish out the perm bans way faster to non-pros.
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On December 05 2012 07:04 Sermokala wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2012 07:02 rewired wrote:
Soooo Quantic just imploded, and they picked up a LoL team basically like a week ago, where do you think they goin next? They picked up a lol team? I never heard of this. And thinking now they should have probably issued a public warning to him before delivering a full year suspension. this is basicaly killing his carrer and even if its a statement ban its really overkill.
pretty sure they did, didn't they take over sponsorship for "reddit nation" after lone star clash?
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On December 05 2012 07:04 Sermokala wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2012 07:02 rewired wrote:
Soooo Quantic just imploded, and they picked up a LoL team basically like a week ago, where do you think they goin next? They picked up a lol team? I never heard of this. And thinking now they should have probably issued a public warning to him before delivering a full year suspension. this is basicaly killing his carrer and even if its a statement ban its really overkill.
I think 8 suspensions was enough of a warning. I mean, who seriously thinks that they'll still be OK to compete in LoL tournaments run by Riot when Riot has permanently banned their account?
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Any crazy jax items? I think tiamat upgrade is pretty insane.
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when did everyone here become a basketball fan?
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On December 05 2012 07:03 Roffles wrote:
IWD is a toxic player, no doubt about that. But there are plenty of professional players on teams that also have a toxic attitude in solo queue. You can start with like the entirety of TD and like half of M5. Hell, M5 was even courteous enough to talk shit and tell the opposing team to shut the fuck up in a tournament game. Why are they still playing? You'd think they'd axe someone who talked shit in a professional setting before they looked at solo queue, right????
Very disappointing news to me. Although this gives Dignitas the chance to pick up someone who's actually good at jungling.
HotshotGG, saintvicious, imaqtpie, TD and members of M5 as you've said, Reginald, Doublelift...
There are so many players who have made the competitive scene look worse than IWD. Which is why this punishment makes so little sense to me. So I can be a dick on a public stage and make the entire scene look bad but if I do it multiple times out of the public spotlight it's going to get me banned for a year?
On December 05 2012 07:04 Sermokala wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2012 07:02 rewired wrote:
Soooo Quantic just imploded, and they picked up a LoL team basically like a week ago, where do you think they goin next? They picked up a lol team? I never heard of this. And thinking now they should have probably issued a public warning to him before delivering a full year suspension. this is basicaly killing his carrer and even if its a statement ban its really overkill.
It isn't basically killing his career. His career is over lol. No one is gonna pick him up a year from now and he won't really be able to practice for the next month or so while he levels a brand new account and gets it to high Elo again. Not to mention he probably had no plans for college because he was suppose to be getting a Riot salary within like a month.
Maybe Dignitas will keep him on as a sub even if he can't play? But that would basically be a handicap to the team just to do something nice.
On December 05 2012 07:06 Doctorbeat wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2012 07:00 overt wrote:On December 05 2012 06:53 dottycakes wrote:On December 05 2012 06:50 onlywonderboy wrote:On December 05 2012 06:48 Numy wrote:On December 05 2012 06:43 Roffles wrote:On December 05 2012 06:35 SnK-Arcbound wrote:On December 05 2012 06:33 Roffles wrote:
A year is fucking insane for what he did. Yeah, he was unsportsmanlike, so toss him out for a certain period of time. But when you compare that to some of the suspensions people get in sports these days and that's absolutely killer. You get caught roiding? 50 game ban out of 162 game season. Get into a fight in a basketball game? Even Artest only got 70 games for fighting fans in the stands.
And now you take a look at IWD, who's really a saint in comparison to some of the other high level players out there. What'd he do? He made fun of someone and made their life miserable. Boofuckinhoo. Suspend him a year for that? Absolutely ridiculous from my perspective. UFC fighters get suspended for 6 months to a year. Cause roiding up and cheating is clearly at the same level of punishment as taunting other people in game. Yes, I understand he's a repeat offender, but at worst I'd equate his actions to someone talking shit all game in a basketball game. Equate him to say a Rasheed Wallace, someone known for talking shit all game long. Yes, he gets his fair share of suspensions because of his piss poor behavior on the court, but would you ever suspend him a year because he wanted to talk shit at refs and other players and yell "BALL DONT LIE" all game long? Can't say I agree with Riot at all on this one, even though I think it makes Dignitas a stronger team. You can't somehow make analogies like that since this has nothing to do with in a competitive game. If you want to do it your way it would be more akin to this Rasheed Wallace person playing basketball games with fans and shit talking them constantly/poor behaviour. There's a difference between talking his to your competition in a game and to others. That analogy doesn't work either, a pro basketball player isn't going to get suspended for kicking a bunch of random people's asses in a pick-up game and talking shit the entire time. If he was suspended for that exact thing it would be closer to this situation. Actually, NBA players get fined often for speaking unfavorable quotes to the public. If a player were to constantly be out in the public making the league look bad (trash talking pick up games), I wouldn't be surprised if they suspended the player for a long period either. Edit: Though I'm not saying what Riot did was right or fair. It does seem too harsh IMO. I have never in my life heard of a player in the NBA get in trouble for shit talking during a pick up game. This is ridiculous. It completely ruins IWD's career. Not because he acted unprofessionally in a competitive setting or in a public interview but during his solo queue games that he didn't even stream he acted like a dick. I don't care if he was an asshole in one thousand solo queue games it isn't grounds to not allow someone to play competitively. I respectfully disagree. LoL differs from other sports by having a central organ for both amateur and competitive play (Riot), and they make the rules. The rules are that you adhere to the Summoner's Code at all times, not just in your competitive matches. In most sports you wouldn't be banned from competitive play for being an ass, but other sports are different in organization. As far as this ruining his career, he should've thought about that after being warned about permbanning 8 times. Imo Riot has been fairly lenient, they dish out the perm bans way faster to non-pros.
The problem is that Riot shouldn't have full control over their scene. They control too much. They're the judge jury and executioner.
If this happened in StarCraft Blizzard could just ban a player from their server but that wouldn't ruin the player's competitive career. They could make a new account, play on a different server, or whatever.
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On December 05 2012 07:03 Numy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2012 07:01 PrinceXizor wrote:
Wouldn't be surprised if Dignitas rebels by pulling their LoL team altogether. Hell i'd reccomend that. discipline of pro players is up to the team, not the owners of the game. Dignitas has nothing to bargain with. Riot isn't going to lose much if Dig pull out tbh. It's not like they have some competitor they can go to and play for instead thus forcing some kind of need for them. If anything Dignitas need to lay down their heads and act the good little boys lol.
if Dig pulls out to protest riot control of professional teams, definitely possible more teams pull out and definitely makes it aware that other teams will not WANT to enter into LoL. riot doesn't have a tournament scene if the teams refuse to play.
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