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Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17295 Posts
December 10 2012 00:02 GMT
#2821
'cause people are bad at him.
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ExoFun
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands2041 Posts
December 10 2012 00:05 GMT
#2822
On December 10 2012 08:57 xDaunt wrote:
I don't understand why Gragas isn't played more. He scares me more than most AP carries when played well.

His roam isn't strong before 6. He needs farm and his skill shots (R) can determine teamfights and has a high skill ceiling.
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
December 10 2012 00:07 GMT
#2823
I think it was one of those cases where people overreact to a a minor nerf and he just fell out of favor.
Body Slam
Charge speed reduced to 900 from 1050
Mana cost increased to 75 from 50
Explosive Cask
Cooldown increased to 100/90/80 seconds from 90/75/60

Really nothing that should have affected him too much. He couldn't use his ult for free poke like he used to, but none of his damage was changed.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
December 10 2012 00:07 GMT
#2824
On December 10 2012 08:57 xDaunt wrote:
I don't understand why Gragas isn't played more. He scares me more than most AP carries when played well.


His laning phase is retardedly strong but I think he kind of falls off.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
December 10 2012 00:09 GMT
#2825
Yeah, but there aren't many AP mids that roam well before 6, so I don't see why that is a drawback. Once he hits 6, though, he is a tower diving mofo when he roams.

The skill shot thing I understand.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
December 10 2012 00:12 GMT
#2826
On December 10 2012 08:45 Gaslo wrote:
I am pretty sure that in 3 months Morg will be pretty close to FOTM again(at least in low elo). She has her flaws, but she is still a pretty solid and safe pick for your mid lane. Spell shield is an awesome spell, and his initiate when flash is up is awesome.

Its funny how fast she dropped. Like at one point had 2 games in a row, in the first one one from my team quit because enemy team first picked Morg, and that automatically means we lost, and in the next lobby my team mate dodged because i picked Morg. Not banworthy, but a solid pick.

edit: Same with Gragas, i remember watching Scarra play him in soloq couple of weeks ago, against some semi decent NA AP. Scarra totally owned him with Gragas, and the other guy was like "OMG, I TOTALLY FORGOT HOW GOOD GRAGAS IS! I CANT EVEN REMEMBER WHY I STOPPED PLAYING HIM"

Gragas, from FOTM to getting picked 6 times at IPL5 in like a month.


Morg is still awesome at any ELO not called "Pro" Hitting binds is much stronger and easier (people don't ward over walls usually), people dont keep track of your ult timer, skarner will try to ult your BS target, etc.
Freeeeeeedom
De4ngus
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6533 Posts
December 10 2012 00:13 GMT
#2827
On December 10 2012 08:19 Doctorbeat wrote:
TL golems are actually pretty good, I'm impressed.

If I had to rank you guys it would be like at the X on this scale:

Jatt - Deman - Joe "Joe Miller" Miller - Scarra - Phreak - X - Hatperson - Red Baron - Studio - Jaws - Rivington

under phreak, really? =/

holy shit you rated hatperson kinda high nvm didnt realize this was joke post my b ^^
GANDHISAUCE
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-10 00:59:25
December 10 2012 00:39 GMT
#2828
Solo queue everything is playable because nobody actually drafts properly (90% of players are just "I want to play X champ/role/etc."). People just pick things that get picked commonly in tournaments, but by and large, not doing so doesn't inhibit your ability to do well (there are enough players that got to high Elo playing certain underplayed champs primarily or even exclusively).

In arranged play, if there's anything IPL 5 proved, it's that the game isn't about just drafting the OP champs--it's about picking teamcomps that suit your team's overall style and being able to adapt to how the enemy team may counter-draft against you. The vast majority of the champ pool is playable provided you know how to draft them--it's just that you get FotMs out of teams being lazy and just copying the way some other team drafts rather than actually learning to draft properly for their own style. The apparent "OP" champs are the ones that are either flexible and can fit smoothly into many comps, or are powerful enough to be easy to draft around (e.g. Diana).
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57 Corvette
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada5941 Posts
December 10 2012 00:51 GMT
#2829
On December 10 2012 08:57 xDaunt wrote:
I don't understand why Gragas isn't played more. He scares me more than most AP carries when played well.


People are bad at landing his barrels and wonder why they are doing terrible after building the wrong items like RoA or Abyssal.
I can't really see any other reason for people not to play him (other than having a tough time against some FotM champions like Orianna, fizz and Eve.)
Survival is winning, everything else is bullshit.
kongoline
Profile Joined February 2012
6318 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-10 01:10:57
December 10 2012 01:10 GMT
#2830
because its so much easier to face roll everything with orianna,eve, diana or kata so why bother with gragas, on top of that he scales pretty bad late game
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
December 10 2012 01:11 GMT
#2831
Fizz is FOTM?
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
December 10 2012 01:13 GMT
#2832
On December 10 2012 10:11 Sufficiency wrote:
Fizz is FOTM?

thats news to me
i personally hate him and hope no one ever plays him
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
57 Corvette
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada5941 Posts
December 10 2012 01:13 GMT
#2833
On December 10 2012 10:11 Sufficiency wrote:
Fizz is FOTM?


Dunno, I've seen a ton of em recently in solo queue.
Survival is winning, everything else is bullshit.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
December 10 2012 01:17 GMT
#2834
On December 10 2012 10:13 57 Corvette wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2012 10:11 Sufficiency wrote:
Fizz is FOTM?


Dunno, I've seen a ton of em recently in solo queue.


http://www.lolking.net/champions/fizz#statistics

Doesn't seem he became popular or good. He is still sitting at around 45% winrate for all divisions.

I think if they made Fizz's R a targeted spell with ~700-800 range he will be godly. Until then....
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
NEOtheONE
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2233 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-10 01:20:19
December 10 2012 01:20 GMT
#2835
Talon is FotM currently with the BCs, thankfully that's getting fixed soon. In the meantime, time to learn jungle Rammus so I can stomp all these BC stacking fools.
Abstracts, the too long didn't read of the educated world.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
December 10 2012 01:24 GMT
#2836
Rammus ganks stronk because noone starts boots, and sightstones won't do much if they see you too late.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
December 10 2012 01:27 GMT
#2837
On December 10 2012 10:17 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2012 10:13 57 Corvette wrote:
On December 10 2012 10:11 Sufficiency wrote:
Fizz is FOTM?


Dunno, I've seen a ton of em recently in solo queue.


http://www.lolking.net/champions/fizz#statistics

Doesn't seem he became popular or good. He is still sitting at around 45% winrate for all divisions.

I think if they made Fizz's R a targeted spell with ~700-800 range he will be godly. Until then....

if people knew how to aim with him it'd be pretty godly too.

most of them miss sharks unless the guy is standing still
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
December 10 2012 01:28 GMT
#2838
shark projectile is wayyy too slow to use predictively though
you either have to zone with it or hit someone already CC'd or right next to you

fizz is a godlike champ though, love that guy
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
December 10 2012 01:28 GMT
#2839
On December 10 2012 10:27 arb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2012 10:17 Sufficiency wrote:
On December 10 2012 10:13 57 Corvette wrote:
On December 10 2012 10:11 Sufficiency wrote:
Fizz is FOTM?


Dunno, I've seen a ton of em recently in solo queue.


http://www.lolking.net/champions/fizz#statistics

Doesn't seem he became popular or good. He is still sitting at around 45% winrate for all divisions.

I think if they made Fizz's R a targeted spell with ~700-800 range he will be godly. Until then....

if people knew how to aim with him it'd be pretty godly too.

most of them miss sharks unless the guy is standing still

IT'S HARD MAN. - Worst Fizz Na
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Inschato
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Canada1349 Posts
December 10 2012 01:30 GMT
#2840
Uh wouldn't Rammus be a bad choice to counter BC stacking? BC lowers Rammus' damage output....
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