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cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
August 17 2012 06:14 GMT
#121
As sup, I dont understand playing w/o philo. It is great, even ignoring GP5. Other than that its situational. My last game I went triple GP5 straight to frozen core. Sometimes its better to get just 1 and then Aegis. Support items are the most flexible IMO. 1, 2, or 3 GP5 items are all viable; just like RCP90 vs. AR 33.
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Sponkz
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark4564 Posts
August 17 2012 06:43 GMT
#122
3 gp5 is overdoing it imo. By the time you get your kage's the stats are neglible, and it won't have a chance to pay itself off. If you manage to get it early one, there's better purchases.
hi
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
August 17 2012 06:44 GMT
#123
I actually think triple GP10 is good for Janna because she scales really well. Other than that it's not that great.
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zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-17 07:09:56
August 17 2012 07:00 GMT
#124
If you really think about it, why do you need regen as support? For kill lanes, most of your trades end up with someone dying, if no one dies then everyone is low and someone will die soon before you can regen, pots would be the most practical option. If you're Soraka, unless your AD is retarded you shouldn't run out of mana, unless you're retarded you shouldn't be low. For Janna you can harass a bit but you wouldn't ever do it often enough to need regen. For Sona if you are winning the lane and zoning you may ran out of mana, regen is probably good on her since you're rarely going all in but harassing often. Don't need on Lulu. On the other hand EVERYONE can use more HP because bot lanes trade and commit often. I don't ever remember when I felt the regen from philo was useful. If I'm low I leave because I wouldn't be able to trade, if I'm sorta low I pot.

I agree kindlem is a great item and also agree that you need gp10s for ward income later when you're broke. Which means if anything you should get hog + kindlem + maybe pick. A kill lane with a support who has hog + kindlem vs another kill lane with a support who has philo + hog or kindlem, not hard to see the former will win every time if traded correctly.

Also there's only one scenario when you can, but still not necessarily should get three GP10, when because either you fucked up or your AD sucks that somehow you're rich as balls early. Three GP10s would make sense to set up strong income mid to late for map control and early aegis. The only other scenario where you can afford three GP10s within a reasonable time frame is if everyone is rich, in that case I get a mejai or dfg because it doesn't matter.
Sponkz
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark4564 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-17 07:33:39
August 17 2012 07:32 GMT
#125
Comparing hog+kindlegem to philo+hog or kindlegem i can see it being better. But if you compare hog+kindlegem to philo+ruby+cloth with is roughly the same amount of gold you spend, you realize why hog isn't optimal. The guy with hog+kindlegem has a higher health pool in lane yeah, but the guy with philo, ruby and cloth is only 1150 gold away from his aegis, giving his team the upper advantage, because the aura has a very significant impact early to mid-game. Meanwhile the enemy support is still missing all the components for his aegis AND he is using 3 slots (boots, hog and kindlegem) so he CANNOT buy more than 2 pieces before he has to sit on gold which imo means alot early on.
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zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
August 17 2012 07:58 GMT
#126
so why not hog, ruby and cloth
Sponkz
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark4564 Posts
August 17 2012 08:03 GMT
#127
Not talking cost-efficiency here, but if i were to upgrade philo to reverie or hog to locket, i would choose reverie. Health is a good stat-choice for lane, but i'd get kindlegem instead of hog, if you really are scared of dying to burst, but experience has told me that a ruby+cloth+nmm (pre-aegis) is more than enough to survive burst/kill lanes.
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cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
August 17 2012 08:03 GMT
#128
I forgot boots. Boots are like the craziest support item.
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