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nosliw
United States2716 Posts
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HazMat
United States17077 Posts
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BlackPaladin
United States9316 Posts
On May 19 2012 04:26 HazMat wrote: I'm just trying to see how long we can milk this discussion for. 17 years. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On May 19 2012 04:26 HazMat wrote: I'm just trying to see how long we can milk this discussion for. How long have people been playing online games? | ||
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
On May 19 2012 04:26 HazMat wrote: I'm just trying to see how long we can milk this discussion for. It's relative to the amount of gold you get while stacking philo stones on this forums while running crit reds I believe. | ||
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BlackPaladin
United States9316 Posts
On May 19 2012 04:33 JackDino wrote: It's relative to the amount of gold you get while stacking philo stones on this forums while running crit reds I believe. wrong, it's a single crit blue cause you want to "unlock the ability" ! The more you know! tm | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23464 Posts
On May 19 2012 04:35 BlackPaladin wrote: wrong, it's a single crit blue cause you want to "unlock the ability" ! The more you know! tm LOL that has to be the most retarded one. | ||
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Node
United States2159 Posts
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SnK-Arcbound
United States4423 Posts
On May 19 2012 04:26 HazMat wrote: I'm just trying to see how long we can milk this discussion for. You can't milk those. | ||
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Scip
Czech Republic11293 Posts
On May 19 2012 04:01 Slayer91 wrote: Not really. As I said, nobody cares if it was a good game or not. Forget that "gg means good game". It's like smash said just a handshake and I think it's pretentious that YOU should decide whether your opponents DESERVE your "gg wp". Nobody gives a fuck if you thought the game was good because it was even, it's just sportsmanship, which VERY few of the lol community have a modicum of. Wait, how is it pretentious at all to decide about how you view the concept of gging, especially since his views are so common as to possibly be the majority? And in the same manner, many many people have the same views on sportsmanship as the person you are opposing. Maybe it would be more productive to argue why we should want the sportsmanship that YOU are proposing, rather than just asserting that you are the supporter of the REAL sportsmanship. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On May 19 2012 04:39 Scip wrote: Wait, how is it pretentious at all to decide about how you view the concept of gging, especially since his views are so common as to possibly be the majority? And in the same manner, many many people have the same views on sportsmanship as the person you are opposing. Maybe it would be more productive to argue why we should want the sportsmanship that YOU are proposing, rather than just asserting that you are the supporter of the REAL sportsmanship. I'd honestly rather not get into this. For every person you see saying that it's polite to say gg or whatever, you'll get another two people professing how tough and edgy they are by not caring about what's "polite" or "good mannered". You're always going to get internet tough guys, and you can't talk them down. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23464 Posts
On May 19 2012 04:39 Scip wrote: Wait, how is it pretentious at all to decide about how you view the concept of gging, especially since his views are so common as to possibly be the majority? And in the same manner, many many people have the same views on sportsmanship as the person you are opposing. Maybe it would be more productive to argue why we should want the sportsmanship that YOU are proposing, rather than just asserting that you are the supporter of the REAL sportsmanship. First off. f u scip ur a fag! Secondly it's about consistency. You have chess grandmasters running off to their chess computers to decide whether to shake the dudes hands. Generally people have unwritten rules to enforce sportsmanship. Since deciding what you think was a good game is an objective concept you generally have more consistent shows of respect like handshakes, or in Korean brood war "gg". This also adds controversy because when someone doesn't shake hands or doesn't gg (hi idra) then its a big drama bomb and good for the press I guess. Can't happen too often though. Anyway, it's mostly transferring concepts from as smash said real sports and I haven't given the whole thing that much research as to have a well founded argument it mostly comes down to something along the lines of "don't be a dick, you dick" His views are only common in the views of the LoL community, which is a bunch of young dudes raging over their moniter, as opposed to the professional development of THOUSANDS of years of sports. gg scip! If eSPORTS drama has taught you anything is that people don't like perceived "unprofessionalism" unless it only happens very rarely. | ||
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Scip
Czech Republic11293 Posts
Now you say his views are common in a community of raging nerds, but that is a point in his favour. Our community is so damn different from the grandmaster chess community that we can allow ourselves to make our own rules. edit: I should also note that I am not arguing in favour of his sportsmanship in case of proffessional games, obviously there IS something expected of you and not fulfilling it is nothing short of stupid. I am talking about hardcore soloQ here. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On May 19 2012 04:50 Scip wrote: The difference is that if you are a chess grandmaster, you are expected to behave very differently than when playing LoL of all games. Now I agree that the argument of caution is valid, but you must note that it is inconsequential should we decide we do not want to pursue your concept of sportsmanship. Now you say his views are common in a community of raging nerds, but that is a point in his favour. Our community is so damn different from the grandmaster chess community that we can allow ourselves to make our own rules. edit: I should also note that I am not arguing in favour of his sportsmanship in case of proffessional games, obviously there IS something expected of you and not fulfilling it is nothing short of stupid. I am talking about hardcore soloQ here. Eh, at the same time, though, it still reflects badly on the community as a whole. We have a lot of "raging nerds", but that doesn't mean we have to embrace that part of our group. They should be acknowledged and ignored, for the most part, not praised and emulated. Especially if you're like me and my group of friends that want gaming to lose the stigma of angry fat kids living in their mom's basement. | ||
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Scip
Czech Republic11293 Posts
I surely could argue that the community not involved in professional gaming has little effect on the perception of it, but that might be going too far so I'm going to stop. =) | ||
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Abenson
Canada4122 Posts
It's something as simple as a handshake - something that happens after every game no matter how good or bad the game goes. I miss the days when TL.net was BW only. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23464 Posts
On May 19 2012 04:59 Scip wrote: Yes, the validity-of-Esports argument is definately a valid one, I am playing a bit of a devil's advocate here, I just dislike when people post such posts as void in argument as "your not the real sportsman! I AM". I surely could argue that the community not involved in professional gaming has little effect on the perception of it, but that might be going too far so I'm going to stop. =) The converse is not true though. A community involved in professional gaming is affected greatly by the perception of "esports" based on real sports. Sure, you can say the community can choose to not accept that idea of sportsmanship, but the community can also choose to touch their toes every time they didn't think the game was good. When people start to bring it up in a discussion though, you don't represent the community any more than I do, and just because the community does something doesn't mean it's justified. Feeding, for example, lol./ I absolutely don't care if you don't say anything at the end of a game. However people who only say "gg" when THEY felt the game was good totally removes the whole point of the thing. Its only ever justified if people care if you think the game was good or not, which nobody does. Just because the game was even does not mean your opponents played well. Just because your team didn't do well doesn't mean your opponents don't deserve respect for winning. Someone can only be bad against a superior opponent. The best players in the world can look bad to others on an off-day. But if they're on your team is solo queue you say bg when your team did badly, makes no sense. | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
REALLY? | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23464 Posts
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Scip
Czech Republic11293 Posts
But I agree with you, if you wish for LoL to gain more popularity it is certainly desirable to strive for higher standards of manners. | ||
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