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On April 11 2012 03:58 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2012 03:43 Numy wrote:On April 11 2012 03:06 Shikyo wrote:On April 11 2012 02:54 Numy wrote:
I've tried Ryze and he just felt boring. I mean he can do a ton of damage and has that nice snare it's just not the cool stuff I think of when I picture LoL heroes. He feels almost like CM from dota :<. If CM could go mid and own shit up. You like a ganker kind of a champion that has some interesting mechanics, right? Ahri and Kassadin would probably be fun, Twisted Fate as well, I also would give Fizz a try because he at least doesn't become boring. I've been staring at Fizz for so long, he's just expensive and I've never seen him competitively  . Fizz is extremely fun as well as super adorable. Do it.
Fizz is really good, but it's not just that people don't play him enough so he's underpracticed, but it's also that (in my experience anyways) he has a lot of bad matchups. In said bad matchups he simply gets wrecked to the point where he will have 0 farm and limited exp. Fizz is a situational pick.
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On April 11 2012 02:12 phyvo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2012 02:03 clickrush wrote:On April 11 2012 01:52 phyvo wrote:On April 11 2012 00:56 Two_DoWn wrote:On April 11 2012 00:53 Numy wrote:On April 11 2012 00:47 Two_DoWn wrote:
You cant reomve a champ for being weak though. Gets to be WAY too bad a precident. If you remove Eve, do you remove Kat? Do you remove Karma? How bout someone no one plays like Teemo? I think what he means is remove her from ranked and then buff her so he can still have fun? I don't know sounds dodgy It just cant work. All those champs are considered weak in ranked. Hell, Soniv STILL gets yelled at for picking viktor. How do you say "X champion is to weak for ranked and picking him is pretty much ensuring that the other team will win." People would move from demanding eve be removed from ranked to other champs too. When in reality, although Eve IS the only unviable champion in the game, every other champ is perfectly viable. So people would use the one unviable champ to push for the removal of perfectly viable ones. Only there is no way to PROVE that one champ is unviable while the rest are viable. Riot has already said that if your team reports you for your champion pick (given that you went for something unusual) it's your fault for not picking something they liked or convincing them otherwise. So yeah, picking anything that isn't FOTM is technically a bannable offense as long as your team is mad about it. No proof needed. Just goes to show how stupid the code can be. Can't believe this is 100% true as you stated here. Can you provide a source? I'm afraid I can't quote any reds but I've seen a few threads in the mess that is GD that have been answered this way by general posters pulling information from reds. The amount of agreement between the posters makes the information seem credible to me. I did put it somewhat bluntly but basically if your whole team is mad at you for going for kill lane rather than AD + support lane and you can't convince them otherwise, they're fully justified in reporting you.
They're full of shit. You can only get banned for a pick if it's clear you picked the hero just to troll, it's a high burden.
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On April 11 2012 04:03 UniversalSnip wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2012 02:12 phyvo wrote:On April 11 2012 02:03 clickrush wrote:On April 11 2012 01:52 phyvo wrote:On April 11 2012 00:56 Two_DoWn wrote:On April 11 2012 00:53 Numy wrote:On April 11 2012 00:47 Two_DoWn wrote:
You cant reomve a champ for being weak though. Gets to be WAY too bad a precident. If you remove Eve, do you remove Kat? Do you remove Karma? How bout someone no one plays like Teemo? I think what he means is remove her from ranked and then buff her so he can still have fun? I don't know sounds dodgy It just cant work. All those champs are considered weak in ranked. Hell, Soniv STILL gets yelled at for picking viktor. How do you say "X champion is to weak for ranked and picking him is pretty much ensuring that the other team will win." People would move from demanding eve be removed from ranked to other champs too. When in reality, although Eve IS the only unviable champion in the game, every other champ is perfectly viable. So people would use the one unviable champ to push for the removal of perfectly viable ones. Only there is no way to PROVE that one champ is unviable while the rest are viable. Riot has already said that if your team reports you for your champion pick (given that you went for something unusual) it's your fault for not picking something they liked or convincing them otherwise. So yeah, picking anything that isn't FOTM is technically a bannable offense as long as your team is mad about it. No proof needed. Just goes to show how stupid the code can be. Can't believe this is 100% true as you stated here. Can you provide a source? I'm afraid I can't quote any reds but I've seen a few threads in the mess that is GD that have been answered this way by general posters pulling information from reds. The amount of agreement between the posters makes the information seem credible to me. I did put it somewhat bluntly but basically if your whole team is mad at you for going for kill lane rather than AD + support lane and you can't convince them otherwise, they're fully justified in reporting you. They're full of shit. You can only get banned for a pick if it's clear you picked the hero just to troll, it's a high burden.
Alright, can't say I'm surprised. LoL's better off if my sources were bad anyway.
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On April 11 2012 04:02 Ryuu314 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2012 03:58 jcarlsoniv wrote:On April 11 2012 03:43 Numy wrote:On April 11 2012 03:06 Shikyo wrote:On April 11 2012 02:54 Numy wrote:
I've tried Ryze and he just felt boring. I mean he can do a ton of damage and has that nice snare it's just not the cool stuff I think of when I picture LoL heroes. He feels almost like CM from dota :<. If CM could go mid and own shit up. You like a ganker kind of a champion that has some interesting mechanics, right? Ahri and Kassadin would probably be fun, Twisted Fate as well, I also would give Fizz a try because he at least doesn't become boring. I've been staring at Fizz for so long, he's just expensive and I've never seen him competitively . Fizz is extremely fun as well as super adorable. Do it. Fizz is really good, but it's not just that people don't play him enough so he's underpracticed, but it's also that (in my experience anyways) he has a lot of bad matchups. In said bad matchups he simply gets wrecked to the point where he will have 0 farm and limited exp. Fizz is a situational pick.
At mid? Really? Which are the bad matchups?
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Not sure if anyone cares but Doublelift put up an AMA on reddit and while I usually don't care much for pro players AMA's his is very informative. Really destroys the whole, "Doublelift knows nothing about this game," stereotype for me. As well as him clarifying a few things, such as, "Chauster taught me everything."
Link for those interested.
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You can't be banned for picks. It's about why you pick something and how you act. If you pick eve to spite your team and proceed to troll, then yes you'll get banned. If you try to play her as a e.g. serious jungler, no you won't.
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On April 11 2012 04:12 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2012 04:02 Ryuu314 wrote:On April 11 2012 03:58 jcarlsoniv wrote:On April 11 2012 03:43 Numy wrote:On April 11 2012 03:06 Shikyo wrote:On April 11 2012 02:54 Numy wrote:
I've tried Ryze and he just felt boring. I mean he can do a ton of damage and has that nice snare it's just not the cool stuff I think of when I picture LoL heroes. He feels almost like CM from dota :<. If CM could go mid and own shit up. You like a ganker kind of a champion that has some interesting mechanics, right? Ahri and Kassadin would probably be fun, Twisted Fate as well, I also would give Fizz a try because he at least doesn't become boring. I've been staring at Fizz for so long, he's just expensive and I've never seen him competitively . Fizz is extremely fun as well as super adorable. Do it. Fizz is really good, but it's not just that people don't play him enough so he's underpracticed, but it's also that (in my experience anyways) he has a lot of bad matchups. In said bad matchups he simply gets wrecked to the point where he will have 0 farm and limited exp. Fizz is a situational pick. At mid? Really? Which are the bad matchups?
Fizz mid can be summed up with
enemy relies on skillshots > fizz wins
enemy relies on target spells > fizz has to occasionally give up farm
Swain/Ryze > ----.----
if you can stay even or close to even until sheen + 2x doran you win and can gank other lanes pretty much at will. to elaborate on the target thing, Fizz can force a lot of champions to push lane, if your jungler comes mid when you are farming under/near tower you can get the mindgame advantage to freefarm. If your jungle ignores your lane even with the opponent standing at your tower stuff like annie sitting on 5 spells can zone you all day long.
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On April 11 2012 04:13 overt wrote:Not sure if anyone cares but Doublelift put up an AMA on reddit and while I usually don't care much for pro players AMA's his is very informative. Really destroys the whole, "Doublelift knows nothing about this game," stereotype for me. As well as him clarifying a few things, such as, "Chauster taught me everything." Link for those interested.
Its REALLY hard to hit pro level without knowing how your role works, and he is one of the best laning ad carries in the world. (I say really hard and not impossible because elementz is still playing professionally).
Still dont change the fact he still struggles with basic in game decision making. Knowing and being able to act are 2 very different things.
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On April 11 2012 03:59 Juicyfruit wrote:
Just remember, Viktor sux.
Viktor is strong, but no one must learn of this for it will bring doom to us all.
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On April 11 2012 04:22 Parnage wrote:Viktor is strong, but no one must learn of this for it will bring doom to us all.
No. Shush. He's bad. No one should ever play him.
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On April 11 2012 04:24 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2012 04:22 Parnage wrote:On April 11 2012 03:59 Juicyfruit wrote:
Just remember, Viktor sux. Viktor is strong, but no one must learn of this for it will bring doom to us all. No. Shush. He's bad. No one should ever play him.
Just wait till they bastardize him as badly as they destroyed my poor dragonbitch.
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On April 11 2012 03:59 Juicyfruit wrote:
Just remember, Viktor sux.
Yep, totally terrible. Never play him, he doesn't have amazing burst or anything like that. Move along.
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What the hell do you mean "bastardize"? You mean when people actually started playing her? Woe is you.
The issue is that they've almost over buffed Viktor, and if a lot of people start playing him, then they may nerf him. Hopefully people won't catch on for a good long while though as he's actually pretty difficult to play right.
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Bastardize indeed. She went from unkillable to slightly killable. A travesty.
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I've heard these rumors about Vik, been waiting for a free week to see if it's true. All of my experence is still based on the terrible first incarnation of him during his 3rd week free week.
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On April 11 2012 04:03 UniversalSnip wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2012 02:12 phyvo wrote:On April 11 2012 02:03 clickrush wrote:On April 11 2012 01:52 phyvo wrote:On April 11 2012 00:56 Two_DoWn wrote:On April 11 2012 00:53 Numy wrote:On April 11 2012 00:47 Two_DoWn wrote:
You cant reomve a champ for being weak though. Gets to be WAY too bad a precident. If you remove Eve, do you remove Kat? Do you remove Karma? How bout someone no one plays like Teemo? I think what he means is remove her from ranked and then buff her so he can still have fun? I don't know sounds dodgy It just cant work. All those champs are considered weak in ranked. Hell, Soniv STILL gets yelled at for picking viktor. How do you say "X champion is to weak for ranked and picking him is pretty much ensuring that the other team will win." People would move from demanding eve be removed from ranked to other champs too. When in reality, although Eve IS the only unviable champion in the game, every other champ is perfectly viable. So people would use the one unviable champ to push for the removal of perfectly viable ones. Only there is no way to PROVE that one champ is unviable while the rest are viable. Riot has already said that if your team reports you for your champion pick (given that you went for something unusual) it's your fault for not picking something they liked or convincing them otherwise. So yeah, picking anything that isn't FOTM is technically a bannable offense as long as your team is mad about it. No proof needed. Just goes to show how stupid the code can be. Can't believe this is 100% true as you stated here. Can you provide a source? I'm afraid I can't quote any reds but I've seen a few threads in the mess that is GD that have been answered this way by general posters pulling information from reds. The amount of agreement between the posters makes the information seem credible to me. I did put it somewhat bluntly but basically if your whole team is mad at you for going for kill lane rather than AD + support lane and you can't convince them otherwise, they're fully justified in reporting you. They're full of shit. You can only get banned for a pick if it's clear you picked the hero just to troll, it's a high burden.
Yeah, I'm with universal here. You won't get banned for picking a character.
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On April 11 2012 04:36 Slusher wrote:
I've heard these rumors about Vik, been waiting for a free week to see if it's true. All of my experence is still based on the terrible first incarnation of him during his 3rd week free week.
Trust me. He was still good then. He didnt need a single buff.
People just suck/ed with him.
And as unwilling as soniv is to admit my incredible skill at everything I do, I am at least a big enough man to admit that his viktor is, quite frankly, frighteningly good.
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The truth about Viktor I'll tell you it. A friend decided to pick him up again and.. he messed up as he learned a few times to a point in several games he just strait up lost his lane. However it didn't matter he kept farming and the burst, sweet dear the burst is insane he just turns teamfights into aoe death slaughters like some sort of Kennen/Fiddle Storm of doom.
As he went on he started to figure out Viktor's lane strengths and then well..I had to tell him to stop playing so people would not catch on.
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Vik is strong. He has a shield to trade early, and that range on the death ray is insane. His ult is amazing, and he has some of the best zone control with the stun circle, and the rest of his kit. The only thing holding him back imo is how damn mana hungry he is, but I'm sure it could be fixed by running some mana per five in runes and masteries, buying an early chalice or mana tear.
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Secret to playing Viktor: Counter initiate.
Yeah, that simple!
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