• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 18:49
CEST 00:49
KST 07:49
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Serral wins HomeStory Cup 2914Serral wins Maestros of the Game 243ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play3Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners7Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview12
Community News
Balance hotfix patch 5.0.16b (July 16)54Reynor: GSL Loss Wasn't About Preparation Format16[IPSL] Spring 2026 Grand Finals - This Weekend!6Weekly Cups (July 6 - 12): Protoss strike back12BSL Season 22 Full Overview & Conclusion8
StarCraft 2
General
Balance hotfix patch 5.0.16b (July 16) [D] Wireframe Casting Removed Clem: "I don't have that much hope in Blizzard" Reynor: GSL Loss Wasn't About Preparation Format Is the larve respawn broken?
Tourneys
Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2) WardiTV Summer Cup 2026 GSL CK #5 Race War RSL Revival: Season 6 - Qualifiers and Main Event HomeStory Cup 29
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
New Map Maker - Looking for Advice - Love or Hate Work In Progress Melee Maps [D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 534 Burning Evacuation Mutation # 533 Die Together Mutation # 532 Nuclear Family
Brood War
General
BW General Discussion ASL22 General Discussion NaDa’s Body Followup Pros Debate: Zerg Unfairly Nerfed? (ASL S22 map) Etiquete rules in Asl?
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [IPSL] Spring 2026 Grand Finals - This Weekend! Escore Tournament - Season 3 Small VOD Thread 2.0
Strategy
Fighting Spirit mining rates Simple Questions, Simple Answers Creating a full chart of Zerg builds Relatively freeroll strategies
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Path of Exile General RTS Discussion Thread Beyond All Reason Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread
Dota 2
Looking for a Dota Mentor Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Power Rank NeO.D_StephenKing vs This Guy From 1 Million Dance TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread The Games Industry And ATVI UK Politics Mega-thread YouTube Thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club The HerO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books Series you have seen recently...
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread MLB/Baseball 2023 McBoner: A hockey love story Tennis[sport] Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Simple Questions Simple Answers FPS when play League Of Legend on laptop How to clean a TTe Thermaltake keyboard?
TL Community
Northern Ireland Global Starcraft The Automated Ban List
Blogs
ASL S22 English Commentary…
namkraft
Poker (part 2)
Nebuchad
The Experiences We Want and …
TrAiDoS
An Exploration of th…
waywardstrategy
ramps on octagon
StaticNine
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Evil Gacha Games and the…
ffswowsucks
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 9564 users

[Patch 1.0.0.136: Lulu] General Discussion - Page 161

Forum Index > LoL General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 159 160 161 162 163 339 Next
Remember guys, this is the general discussion thread. Keep whine/QQ posts in the appropriate QQ memorial thread! Thanks!
shrinkmaster
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany947 Posts
April 02 2012 04:46 GMT
#3201
are the clg.eu vs aAa games worth watching and how did they end?
Voltaire: The true triumph of reason is that it enables us to get along with those who do not possess it.
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
April 02 2012 04:59 GMT
#3202
I am officially a 1 trick pony.
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-02 05:08:42
April 02 2012 05:07 GMT
#3203
On April 02 2012 13:45 Scip wrote:
Isn't the math comparing Abyssal and Deathcap deeply flawed? Only skimmed it, but it didn't seem to mention the ratio between the base damage and AP ratio of the spell under question, which is obviously crucial for the calculation. The graphs really don't have much purpose, unless you implement the AP ratio : Base damage into it, somehow.


From what I got after skimming it Abyssal plus blasting wand can be better than just Rabadon's in some situations. But it even admits that Rabadon's is better in most cases. Which is a long way from the initial claim of, "deathcap first doesn't really give you more damage than abyssal."

Also the wording of the article is if it's significantly stronger. Which should tell you already that it's not stronger in most situations. You also have to ignore the fact that Rabadon's only gets stronger the longer the game goes on because of the 30% AP increase.
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
April 02 2012 05:14 GMT
#3204
On April 02 2012 13:59 HazMat wrote:
I am officially a 1 trick pony.


i don't even get how you win with lee sin
i've been playing him a ton on one of my 900 elo accts and every game i get ludicrous scores but can't seem to close games out
like once the enemy carry gets to the point where he can survive your combo, it's over. i just snowball downhill from there what do
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
StUfF
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia1437 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-02 05:17:30
April 02 2012 05:16 GMT
#3205
On April 02 2012 14:07 overt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2012 13:45 Scip wrote:
Isn't the math comparing Abyssal and Deathcap deeply flawed? Only skimmed it, but it didn't seem to mention the ratio between the base damage and AP ratio of the spell under question, which is obviously crucial for the calculation. The graphs really don't have much purpose, unless you implement the AP ratio : Base damage into it, somehow.


From what I got after skimming it Abyssal plus blasting wand can be better than just Rabadon's in some situations. But it even admits that Rabadon's is better in most cases. Which is a long way from the initial claim of, "deathcap first doesn't really give you more damage than abyssal."

Also the wording of the article is if it's significantly stronger. Which should tell you already that it's not stronger in most situations. You also have to ignore the fact that Rabadon's only gets stronger the longer the game goes on because of the 30% AP increase.


If you look at the graph. Rabadon will beat Abyssal in damage 99% of the time - only in rare situations i.e. below 0.3 AP ratios does Abyssal win. The point is that whilst Rabadon always wins, it does not win by much - in a low MR situation 0-100MR and standard AP ratios (0.7-1) or so Rabadon first only beats Abyssal by 10-15%. So it's up to you to say if the defensive stats/aura are worth that extra punch.
dooraven
Profile Joined December 2010
Australia2820 Posts
April 02 2012 05:16 GMT
#3206
On April 02 2012 13:46 shrinkmaster wrote:
are the clg.eu vs aAa games worth watching and how did they end?


Yeah they were pretty good in general, game 3 was pretty nice.

CLGeu won 2-1
Go go Alliance.
Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
April 02 2012 05:19 GMT
#3207
On April 02 2012 14:16 StUfF wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2012 14:07 overt wrote:
On April 02 2012 13:45 Scip wrote:
Isn't the math comparing Abyssal and Deathcap deeply flawed? Only skimmed it, but it didn't seem to mention the ratio between the base damage and AP ratio of the spell under question, which is obviously crucial for the calculation. The graphs really don't have much purpose, unless you implement the AP ratio : Base damage into it, somehow.


From what I got after skimming it Abyssal plus blasting wand can be better than just Rabadon's in some situations. But it even admits that Rabadon's is better in most cases. Which is a long way from the initial claim of, "deathcap first doesn't really give you more damage than abyssal."

Also the wording of the article is if it's significantly stronger. Which should tell you already that it's not stronger in most situations. You also have to ignore the fact that Rabadon's only gets stronger the longer the game goes on because of the 30% AP increase.


If you look at the graph. Rabadon will beat Abyssal in damage 99% of the time - only in rare situations i.e. below 0.3 AP ratios does Abyssal win. The point is that whilst Rabadon always wins, it does not win by much - in a low MR situation 0-100MR and standard AP ratios (0.7-1) or so Rabadon first only beats Abyssal by 10-15%. So it's up to you to say if the defensive stats are worth that extra punch.


The fact that abyssal is an aura is fairly to substantially signficant in mid-game skirmishes. Furthermore, since you complete it 1000gold sooner than deathcap you get a pretty big window where you're way ahead of an opponent that rushes deathcap.
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
April 02 2012 05:27 GMT
#3208
On April 02 2012 14:14 gtrsrs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2012 13:59 HazMat wrote:
I am officially a 1 trick pony.


i don't even get how you win with lee sin
i've been playing him a ton on one of my 900 elo accts and every game i get ludicrous scores but can't seem to close games out
like once the enemy carry gets to the point where he can survive your combo, it's over. i just snowball downhill from there what do

Ghostblade and just kill the carry lol. You don't need to combo them, just E and autoattack them to death.
His lategame is pretty bad though I agree.
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
Navi
Profile Joined November 2009
5286 Posts
April 02 2012 05:31 GMT
#3209
get gunblade BT solo baron GG
Hey! Listen!
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
April 02 2012 05:36 GMT
#3210
I took a break from streaming so I could play a game in peace with 60 fps but I'm on cruzer's and chu's stream if there are any dedicated fans that want to watch, lol.
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
Bladeorade
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1898 Posts
April 02 2012 05:51 GMT
#3211
LOL Whats an EZREAL GNA DO

Oh apparently kill me..haha
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
April 02 2012 06:00 GMT
#3212
On April 02 2012 14:51 Bladeorade wrote:
LOL Whats an EZREAL GNA DO

Oh apparently kill me..haha

eh wasn't worth it. Riven was at wraiths when I did that but she ended up feeling like not coming
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
Bladeorade
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1898 Posts
April 02 2012 06:03 GMT
#3213
On April 02 2012 15:00 HazMat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2012 14:51 Bladeorade wrote:
LOL Whats an EZREAL GNA DO

Oh apparently kill me..haha

eh wasn't worth it. Riven was at wraiths when I did that but she ended up feeling like not coming

What is your elo?

and I thought you were gna get away but didnt happen
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
April 02 2012 06:06 GMT
#3214
2030 atm. I pick Lee Sin and win and if I pick anything else I lose. Sad life of a new-born 1 trick pony.
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
Bladeorade
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1898 Posts
April 02 2012 06:16 GMT
#3215
Do you have a stream thread? or do you just post when you stream?
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
April 02 2012 06:18 GMT
#3216
On April 02 2012 15:16 Bladeorade wrote:
Do you have a stream thread? or do you just post when you stream?

Stream thread and I'm featured on the side bar. I stream pretty much every day
Stream offline now though.
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
Fuzzmosis
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada752 Posts
April 02 2012 06:43 GMT
#3217
When Vman wears a shirt, he goes 31-5 with Fizz.
I'm From Canada, so they think I'm slow, eh?
ihasaKAROT
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Netherlands4730 Posts
April 02 2012 06:49 GMT
#3218
On April 02 2012 15:43 Fuzzmosis wrote:
When Vman wears a shirt, he goes 31-5 with Fizz.


I dont allways wear a shirt , but when I do...

Good backgroundmusic sometimes on his channel, welcome switch from the usual LoLplayer dubstep/trance noises
KCCO!
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
April 02 2012 07:08 GMT
#3219
Now I'm laning with Elementz on his stream. Told myself I'd go sleep x.x
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
April 02 2012 07:17 GMT
#3220
On April 02 2012 15:06 HazMat wrote:
2030 atm. I pick Lee Sin and win and if I pick anything else I lose. Sad life of a new-born 1 trick pony.


Pick Alistar, miss a quarter of your WQ, get carried anyway.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Prev 1 159 160 161 162 163 339 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Epic.LAN
13:00
Epic.LAN 48 Playoff Stage
epiclan67
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
ViBE175
StarCraft: Brood War
HiyA 18
NaDa 16
Dota 2
syndereN367
LuMiX1
Counter-Strike
fl0m1682
summit1g1493
minikerr31
Super Smash Bros
hungrybox555
Mew2King325
Heroes of the Storm
Trikslyr96
Other Games
gofns12840
tarik_tv6778
Grubby3132
C9.Mang0580
Livibee176
XaKoH 123
Chillindude30
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick2011
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 16 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Hupsaiya 93
• musti20045 49
• RyuSc2 28
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• sooper7s
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• FirePhoenix21
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota2958
Other Games
• imaqtpie833
Upcoming Events
RSL Revival
10h 11m
Classic vs Trap
herO vs SHIN
Sparkling Tuna Cup
11h 11m
OSC
14h 11m
IPSL
17h 11m
Bonyth vs Ret
WardiTV Weekly
1d 12h
Monday Night Weeklies
1d 17h
OSC
2 days
PiGosaur Cup
3 days
The PondCast
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
[ Show More ]
CrankTV Team League
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
CrankTV Team League
5 days
Korean StarCraft League
6 days
RSL Revival
6 days
Online Event
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Escore Tournament S3: W3
HSC XXIX
Eternal Conflict S2 E2

Ongoing

IPSL Spring 2026
Acropolis #4
YSL S3
CSL 2026 Summer (S21)
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 3
Proleague 2026-07-18
RSL Revival: Season 6
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
SCTL 2026 Spring
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S3: W4
ASL S22 SEASON OPEN Day 2
Escore Tournament S3: W5
CSLAN 4
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
HSC XXX
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
Light Tournament 2026
Eternal Conflict S2 Finale
Eternal Conflict S2 E3
Logitech G Connect 2026
StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #5
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.