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shrinkmaster
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany947 Posts
April 02 2012 04:46 GMT
#3201
are the clg.eu vs aAa games worth watching and how did they end?
Voltaire: The true triumph of reason is that it enables us to get along with those who do not possess it.
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
April 02 2012 04:59 GMT
#3202
I am officially a 1 trick pony.
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-02 05:08:42
April 02 2012 05:07 GMT
#3203
On April 02 2012 13:45 Scip wrote:
Isn't the math comparing Abyssal and Deathcap deeply flawed? Only skimmed it, but it didn't seem to mention the ratio between the base damage and AP ratio of the spell under question, which is obviously crucial for the calculation. The graphs really don't have much purpose, unless you implement the AP ratio : Base damage into it, somehow.


From what I got after skimming it Abyssal plus blasting wand can be better than just Rabadon's in some situations. But it even admits that Rabadon's is better in most cases. Which is a long way from the initial claim of, "deathcap first doesn't really give you more damage than abyssal."

Also the wording of the article is if it's significantly stronger. Which should tell you already that it's not stronger in most situations. You also have to ignore the fact that Rabadon's only gets stronger the longer the game goes on because of the 30% AP increase.
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
April 02 2012 05:14 GMT
#3204
On April 02 2012 13:59 HazMat wrote:
I am officially a 1 trick pony.


i don't even get how you win with lee sin
i've been playing him a ton on one of my 900 elo accts and every game i get ludicrous scores but can't seem to close games out
like once the enemy carry gets to the point where he can survive your combo, it's over. i just snowball downhill from there what do
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
StUfF
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia1437 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-02 05:17:30
April 02 2012 05:16 GMT
#3205
On April 02 2012 14:07 overt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2012 13:45 Scip wrote:
Isn't the math comparing Abyssal and Deathcap deeply flawed? Only skimmed it, but it didn't seem to mention the ratio between the base damage and AP ratio of the spell under question, which is obviously crucial for the calculation. The graphs really don't have much purpose, unless you implement the AP ratio : Base damage into it, somehow.


From what I got after skimming it Abyssal plus blasting wand can be better than just Rabadon's in some situations. But it even admits that Rabadon's is better in most cases. Which is a long way from the initial claim of, "deathcap first doesn't really give you more damage than abyssal."

Also the wording of the article is if it's significantly stronger. Which should tell you already that it's not stronger in most situations. You also have to ignore the fact that Rabadon's only gets stronger the longer the game goes on because of the 30% AP increase.


If you look at the graph. Rabadon will beat Abyssal in damage 99% of the time - only in rare situations i.e. below 0.3 AP ratios does Abyssal win. The point is that whilst Rabadon always wins, it does not win by much - in a low MR situation 0-100MR and standard AP ratios (0.7-1) or so Rabadon first only beats Abyssal by 10-15%. So it's up to you to say if the defensive stats/aura are worth that extra punch.
dooraven
Profile Joined December 2010
Australia2820 Posts
April 02 2012 05:16 GMT
#3206
On April 02 2012 13:46 shrinkmaster wrote:
are the clg.eu vs aAa games worth watching and how did they end?


Yeah they were pretty good in general, game 3 was pretty nice.

CLGeu won 2-1
Go go Alliance.
Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
April 02 2012 05:19 GMT
#3207
On April 02 2012 14:16 StUfF wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2012 14:07 overt wrote:
On April 02 2012 13:45 Scip wrote:
Isn't the math comparing Abyssal and Deathcap deeply flawed? Only skimmed it, but it didn't seem to mention the ratio between the base damage and AP ratio of the spell under question, which is obviously crucial for the calculation. The graphs really don't have much purpose, unless you implement the AP ratio : Base damage into it, somehow.


From what I got after skimming it Abyssal plus blasting wand can be better than just Rabadon's in some situations. But it even admits that Rabadon's is better in most cases. Which is a long way from the initial claim of, "deathcap first doesn't really give you more damage than abyssal."

Also the wording of the article is if it's significantly stronger. Which should tell you already that it's not stronger in most situations. You also have to ignore the fact that Rabadon's only gets stronger the longer the game goes on because of the 30% AP increase.


If you look at the graph. Rabadon will beat Abyssal in damage 99% of the time - only in rare situations i.e. below 0.3 AP ratios does Abyssal win. The point is that whilst Rabadon always wins, it does not win by much - in a low MR situation 0-100MR and standard AP ratios (0.7-1) or so Rabadon first only beats Abyssal by 10-15%. So it's up to you to say if the defensive stats are worth that extra punch.


The fact that abyssal is an aura is fairly to substantially signficant in mid-game skirmishes. Furthermore, since you complete it 1000gold sooner than deathcap you get a pretty big window where you're way ahead of an opponent that rushes deathcap.
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
April 02 2012 05:27 GMT
#3208
On April 02 2012 14:14 gtrsrs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2012 13:59 HazMat wrote:
I am officially a 1 trick pony.


i don't even get how you win with lee sin
i've been playing him a ton on one of my 900 elo accts and every game i get ludicrous scores but can't seem to close games out
like once the enemy carry gets to the point where he can survive your combo, it's over. i just snowball downhill from there what do

Ghostblade and just kill the carry lol. You don't need to combo them, just E and autoattack them to death.
His lategame is pretty bad though I agree.
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
Navi
Profile Joined November 2009
5286 Posts
April 02 2012 05:31 GMT
#3209
get gunblade BT solo baron GG
Hey! Listen!
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
April 02 2012 05:36 GMT
#3210
I took a break from streaming so I could play a game in peace with 60 fps but I'm on cruzer's and chu's stream if there are any dedicated fans that want to watch, lol.
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
Bladeorade
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1898 Posts
April 02 2012 05:51 GMT
#3211
LOL Whats an EZREAL GNA DO

Oh apparently kill me..haha
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
April 02 2012 06:00 GMT
#3212
On April 02 2012 14:51 Bladeorade wrote:
LOL Whats an EZREAL GNA DO

Oh apparently kill me..haha

eh wasn't worth it. Riven was at wraiths when I did that but she ended up feeling like not coming
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
Bladeorade
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1898 Posts
April 02 2012 06:03 GMT
#3213
On April 02 2012 15:00 HazMat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2012 14:51 Bladeorade wrote:
LOL Whats an EZREAL GNA DO

Oh apparently kill me..haha

eh wasn't worth it. Riven was at wraiths when I did that but she ended up feeling like not coming

What is your elo?

and I thought you were gna get away but didnt happen
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
April 02 2012 06:06 GMT
#3214
2030 atm. I pick Lee Sin and win and if I pick anything else I lose. Sad life of a new-born 1 trick pony.
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
Bladeorade
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1898 Posts
April 02 2012 06:16 GMT
#3215
Do you have a stream thread? or do you just post when you stream?
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
April 02 2012 06:18 GMT
#3216
On April 02 2012 15:16 Bladeorade wrote:
Do you have a stream thread? or do you just post when you stream?

Stream thread and I'm featured on the side bar. I stream pretty much every day
Stream offline now though.
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
Fuzzmosis
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada752 Posts
April 02 2012 06:43 GMT
#3217
When Vman wears a shirt, he goes 31-5 with Fizz.
I'm From Canada, so they think I'm slow, eh?
ihasaKAROT
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Netherlands4730 Posts
April 02 2012 06:49 GMT
#3218
On April 02 2012 15:43 Fuzzmosis wrote:
When Vman wears a shirt, he goes 31-5 with Fizz.


I dont allways wear a shirt , but when I do...

Good backgroundmusic sometimes on his channel, welcome switch from the usual LoLplayer dubstep/trance noises
KCCO!
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
April 02 2012 07:08 GMT
#3219
Now I'm laning with Elementz on his stream. Told myself I'd go sleep x.x
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
April 02 2012 07:17 GMT
#3220
On April 02 2012 15:06 HazMat wrote:
2030 atm. I pick Lee Sin and win and if I pick anything else I lose. Sad life of a new-born 1 trick pony.


Pick Alistar, miss a quarter of your WQ, get carried anyway.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
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