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Treadmill
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada2833 Posts
February 13 2012 23:19 GMT
#3421
On February 14 2012 08:03 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2012 08:01 Treadmill wrote:
On February 14 2012 07:54 DoXa wrote:
On February 14 2012 07:50 Two_DoWn wrote:
On February 14 2012 07:48 DoXa wrote:
On February 14 2012 07:46 Two_DoWn wrote:
On February 14 2012 07:44 DoXa wrote:
On February 14 2012 07:40 zulu_nation8 wrote:
lol these arguments are so hilarious and entertaining, regi: "youre the worst player thats why youre stuck on support."


even funnier when you know that reginald flipped shit several weeks ago when he thought xpecial said he's bad and screwed up. now he's verbally abusing him and thinks he's right.

poor xpecial. if someone leaves TSM it'd be him and i wouldn't blame him at all

TBH Xpecial is the second best person on TSM.


#1 chaox?
i guess he's the other calm and reasonable member of tsm. even though TOO has gotten a better attitude in the last weeks imoimo

Naw, you have to give #1 to regi. Chaox gets carried bot lane by Xpecial. Its just being the ad carry lets you get all the credit.

TSM power rank:

#1 Regi
#2 Xpecial
#3 Chaox
#4 TOO
#5 TRM

well i don't quite agree with you on that, but that's ok.

i'd set it to xpecial, chaox, too, regi, rainman.

the best part is CLG.eu listening to the stream and just laughing at it. shows you what the age difference can do. and yes i blame alot of TSM's fault on their childish behavior and their age

Regi when he's having a good game carries harder than anyone else on the team. Regi on a bad day feeds and bitches at his teammate. Chaox/Xpecial are more reliable but when Regi is 'on' he's TSM's star.

You... don't rate absolutely players by their very best games if they're incredibly inconsistent. Might as well rate Jiji #1 in CLG then.

Oh, I agree. Just I'm trying to point out that rating players isn't nearly so clear-cut. Honestly I don't see the value in comparing players on one team anyways, since their performance is so dependant on the other players on their team to begin with.

(For I similar reason it always seems silly to me when people blame RainMan for TSM losing games. So if we agree he's the weakest player on the team - has anyone ever seen the other members of the team try to give him honest constructive criticism? Try to actually help him improve? All I ever see is his teammates trying to bludgeon him into admitting when he screws up, and focussing less on how to win in the future than on who's FAULT they're loss is.)
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-13 23:21:34
February 13 2012 23:19 GMT
#3422
On February 14 2012 08:18 Dgiese wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2012 08:16 Niton wrote:
Hotshot's being real deep right now - "Regi has too much control over them, he's in control of the team, and the site, and their streams, and their future, so when they have a fight with him they just have to back down."

It's really depressing to think of it like that, but it really seems to be true ;/

That's cause hotshot does the same thing with CLG, cept Saint gives no fucks, and Jiji and Chauster are chill.

Um he doesn't do nearly the same thing with CLG o.O
On February 14 2012 08:19 Treadmill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2012 08:03 Shikyo wrote:
On February 14 2012 08:01 Treadmill wrote:
On February 14 2012 07:54 DoXa wrote:
On February 14 2012 07:50 Two_DoWn wrote:
On February 14 2012 07:48 DoXa wrote:
On February 14 2012 07:46 Two_DoWn wrote:
On February 14 2012 07:44 DoXa wrote:
On February 14 2012 07:40 zulu_nation8 wrote:
lol these arguments are so hilarious and entertaining, regi: "youre the worst player thats why youre stuck on support."


even funnier when you know that reginald flipped shit several weeks ago when he thought xpecial said he's bad and screwed up. now he's verbally abusing him and thinks he's right.

poor xpecial. if someone leaves TSM it'd be him and i wouldn't blame him at all

TBH Xpecial is the second best person on TSM.


#1 chaox?
i guess he's the other calm and reasonable member of tsm. even though TOO has gotten a better attitude in the last weeks imoimo

Naw, you have to give #1 to regi. Chaox gets carried bot lane by Xpecial. Its just being the ad carry lets you get all the credit.

TSM power rank:

#1 Regi
#2 Xpecial
#3 Chaox
#4 TOO
#5 TRM

well i don't quite agree with you on that, but that's ok.

i'd set it to xpecial, chaox, too, regi, rainman.

the best part is CLG.eu listening to the stream and just laughing at it. shows you what the age difference can do. and yes i blame alot of TSM's fault on their childish behavior and their age

Regi when he's having a good game carries harder than anyone else on the team. Regi on a bad day feeds and bitches at his teammate. Chaox/Xpecial are more reliable but when Regi is 'on' he's TSM's star.

You... don't rate absolutely players by their very best games if they're incredibly inconsistent. Might as well rate Jiji #1 in CLG then.

Oh, I agree. Just I'm trying to point out that rating players isn't nearly so clear-cut. Honestly I don't see the value in comparing players on one team anyways, since their performance is so dependant on the other players on their team to begin with.

(For I similar reason it always seems silly to me when people blame RainMan for TSM losing games. So if we agree he's the weakest player on the team - has anyone ever seen the other members of the team try to give him honest constructive criticism? Try to actually help him improve? All I ever see is his teammates trying to bludgeon him into admitting when he screws up, and focussing less on how to win in the future than on who's FAULT they're loss is.)

I've actually seen that yeah, like when Chaox told him he shouldn't split up he argued a ton about it not being his bad etc. I think he's not a person who you can really help improve with words
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
triangle
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States3803 Posts
February 13 2012 23:20 GMT
#3423
On February 14 2012 08:18 Dgiese wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2012 08:16 Niton wrote:
Hotshot's being real deep right now - "Regi has too much control over them, he's in control of the team, and the site, and their streams, and their future, so when they have a fight with him they just have to back down."

It's really depressing to think of it like that, but it really seems to be true ;/

That's cause hotshot does the same thing with CLG, cept Saint gives no fucks, and Jiji and Chauster are chill.

And also because hotshot isn't as bad as regi lol.
Also known as waterfall / w4terfall
Chiharu Harukaze
Profile Joined September 2011
12112 Posts
February 13 2012 23:21 GMT
#3424
On February 14 2012 08:18 Dgiese wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2012 08:16 Niton wrote:
Hotshot's being real deep right now - "Regi has too much control over them, he's in control of the team, and the site, and their streams, and their future, so when they have a fight with him they just have to back down."

It's really depressing to think of it like that, but it really seems to be true ;/

That's cause hotshot does the same thing with CLG, cept Saint gives no fucks, and Jiji and Chauster are chill.

HSGG has defined contracts with each member of CLG which defines how much they get paid, how they divide stream revenue, tournament winnings, etc. It's also arguable that HSGG is also rather shrewd business man. His solo queue rage aside, he's being surprisingly mature and deep on Wickd's stream.
It's like, "Is the Federation's Mobile Suit some kind of monster?"
emucxg
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Finland4559 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-13 23:23:24
February 13 2012 23:21 GMT
#3425
On February 14 2012 08:16 Niton wrote:
Hotshot's being real deep right now - "Regi has too much control over them, he's in control of the team, and the site, and their streams, and their future, so when they have a fight with him they just have to back down."

It's really depressing to think of it like that, but it really seems to be true ;/

Yep, thats why LoL teams needs a sponsored organization (like Digintas), and a mature coach/manager etc...

just 5 random ppl live together DOESNT make you look professional.
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
February 13 2012 23:23 GMT
#3426
HS can actually be reasoned with.
You can't compare him to Regi, that's unfair.
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emucxg
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Finland4559 Posts
February 13 2012 23:24 GMT
#3427
On February 14 2012 08:23 NeoIllusions wrote:
HS can actually be reasoned with.
You can't compare him to Regi, that's unfair.

ya, Hotshot is much more mature than reginald lol.
Niton
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States2395 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-13 23:25:47
February 13 2012 23:24 GMT
#3428
On February 14 2012 08:18 Dgiese wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2012 08:16 Niton wrote:
Hotshot's being real deep right now - "Regi has too much control over them, he's in control of the team, and the site, and their streams, and their future, so when they have a fight with him they just have to back down."

It's really depressing to think of it like that, but it really seems to be true ;/

That's cause hotshot does the same thing with CLG, cept Saint gives no fucks, and Jiji and Chauster are chill.


I think Jiji actually has the same amount of pull over the CLG organization (if not more, iirc he's the CLG 'leader') as Hotshot, he's just such a quiet, happy guy that's fine doing whatever that Hotshot is always the guy in the forefront. Either way, Hotshot's not a bad dude or a malicious dude at all, which is why he and Saint can deal with their differences.

Hotshot's a young guy who has become an international celebrity as the face of CLG, who has name recognition on multiple continents - I'm surprised that he's dealt with the fame as well as he has, even. Most people with his level of fame have handlers or managers or people that aren't him telling him what to do / what not to do. For the CLG group to turn into a huge international organization despite the relative immaturity of the people running it is really impressive.
tree.hugger: Coming off of [(T)fantasy v. (T)Really] into [(T)Barracks v. (T)MVP] is like coming out of Manhattan into New Jersey. You just have to speed up and ignore it.
Dgiese
Profile Joined July 2010
United States2687 Posts
February 13 2012 23:25 GMT
#3429
Well, it appears my baseless slander has been revealed for what it really is...
SnK-Arcbound
Profile Joined March 2005
United States4423 Posts
February 13 2012 23:25 GMT
#3430
On February 14 2012 08:19 Treadmill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2012 08:03 Shikyo wrote:
On February 14 2012 08:01 Treadmill wrote:
On February 14 2012 07:54 DoXa wrote:
On February 14 2012 07:50 Two_DoWn wrote:
On February 14 2012 07:48 DoXa wrote:
On February 14 2012 07:46 Two_DoWn wrote:
On February 14 2012 07:44 DoXa wrote:
On February 14 2012 07:40 zulu_nation8 wrote:
lol these arguments are so hilarious and entertaining, regi: "youre the worst player thats why youre stuck on support."


even funnier when you know that reginald flipped shit several weeks ago when he thought xpecial said he's bad and screwed up. now he's verbally abusing him and thinks he's right.

poor xpecial. if someone leaves TSM it'd be him and i wouldn't blame him at all

TBH Xpecial is the second best person on TSM.


#1 chaox?
i guess he's the other calm and reasonable member of tsm. even though TOO has gotten a better attitude in the last weeks imoimo

Naw, you have to give #1 to regi. Chaox gets carried bot lane by Xpecial. Its just being the ad carry lets you get all the credit.

TSM power rank:

#1 Regi
#2 Xpecial
#3 Chaox
#4 TOO
#5 TRM

well i don't quite agree with you on that, but that's ok.

i'd set it to xpecial, chaox, too, regi, rainman.

the best part is CLG.eu listening to the stream and just laughing at it. shows you what the age difference can do. and yes i blame alot of TSM's fault on their childish behavior and their age

Regi when he's having a good game carries harder than anyone else on the team. Regi on a bad day feeds and bitches at his teammate. Chaox/Xpecial are more reliable but when Regi is 'on' he's TSM's star.

You... don't rate absolutely players by their very best games if they're incredibly inconsistent. Might as well rate Jiji #1 in CLG then.

Oh, I agree. Just I'm trying to point out that rating players isn't nearly so clear-cut. Honestly I don't see the value in comparing players on one team anyways, since their performance is so dependant on the other players on their team to begin with.

(For I similar reason it always seems silly to me when people blame RainMan for TSM losing games. So if we agree he's the weakest player on the team - has anyone ever seen the other members of the team try to give him honest constructive criticism? Try to actually help him improve? All I ever see is his teammates trying to bludgeon him into admitting when he screws up, and focussing less on how to win in the future than on who's FAULT they're loss is.)

It's not their problem to get TRM to get better. If they find a top lane who's better than TRM who's the person who's going to care the most?
Treadmill
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada2833 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-13 23:30:31
February 13 2012 23:29 GMT
#3431
On February 14 2012 08:19 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2012 08:18 Dgiese wrote:
On February 14 2012 08:16 Niton wrote:
Hotshot's being real deep right now - "Regi has too much control over them, he's in control of the team, and the site, and their streams, and their future, so when they have a fight with him they just have to back down."

It's really depressing to think of it like that, but it really seems to be true ;/

That's cause hotshot does the same thing with CLG, cept Saint gives no fucks, and Jiji and Chauster are chill.

Um he doesn't do nearly the same thing with CLG o.O
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2012 08:19 Treadmill wrote:
On February 14 2012 08:03 Shikyo wrote:
On February 14 2012 08:01 Treadmill wrote:
On February 14 2012 07:54 DoXa wrote:
On February 14 2012 07:50 Two_DoWn wrote:
On February 14 2012 07:48 DoXa wrote:
On February 14 2012 07:46 Two_DoWn wrote:
On February 14 2012 07:44 DoXa wrote:
On February 14 2012 07:40 zulu_nation8 wrote:
lol these arguments are so hilarious and entertaining, regi: "youre the worst player thats why youre stuck on support."


even funnier when you know that reginald flipped shit several weeks ago when he thought xpecial said he's bad and screwed up. now he's verbally abusing him and thinks he's right.

poor xpecial. if someone leaves TSM it'd be him and i wouldn't blame him at all

TBH Xpecial is the second best person on TSM.


#1 chaox?
i guess he's the other calm and reasonable member of tsm. even though TOO has gotten a better attitude in the last weeks imoimo

Naw, you have to give #1 to regi. Chaox gets carried bot lane by Xpecial. Its just being the ad carry lets you get all the credit.

TSM power rank:

#1 Regi
#2 Xpecial
#3 Chaox
#4 TOO
#5 TRM

well i don't quite agree with you on that, but that's ok.

i'd set it to xpecial, chaox, too, regi, rainman.

the best part is CLG.eu listening to the stream and just laughing at it. shows you what the age difference can do. and yes i blame alot of TSM's fault on their childish behavior and their age

Regi when he's having a good game carries harder than anyone else on the team. Regi on a bad day feeds and bitches at his teammate. Chaox/Xpecial are more reliable but when Regi is 'on' he's TSM's star.

You... don't rate absolutely players by their very best games if they're incredibly inconsistent. Might as well rate Jiji #1 in CLG then.

Oh, I agree. Just I'm trying to point out that rating players isn't nearly so clear-cut. Honestly I don't see the value in comparing players on one team anyways, since their performance is so dependant on the other players on their team to begin with.

(For I similar reason it always seems silly to me when people blame RainMan for TSM losing games. So if we agree he's the weakest player on the team - has anyone ever seen the other members of the team try to give him honest constructive criticism? Try to actually help him improve? All I ever see is his teammates trying to bludgeon him into admitting when he screws up, and focussing less on how to win in the future than on who's FAULT they're loss is.)

I've actually seen that yeah, like when Chaox told him he shouldn't split up he argued a ton about it not being his bad etc. I think he's not a person who you can really help improve with words

Maybe. I also think he's gotten to a place where he's so used to being blamed and bitched at when he screws up that he just gets super overly defensive against any criticism. Which you can't put entirely on TRM, is my point. (Not excusing TRM just blaming only him when he screws up goes against the point of a team game imo).
On February 14 2012 08:25 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2012 08:19 Treadmill wrote:
On February 14 2012 08:03 Shikyo wrote:
On February 14 2012 08:01 Treadmill wrote:
On February 14 2012 07:54 DoXa wrote:
On February 14 2012 07:50 Two_DoWn wrote:
On February 14 2012 07:48 DoXa wrote:
On February 14 2012 07:46 Two_DoWn wrote:
On February 14 2012 07:44 DoXa wrote:
On February 14 2012 07:40 zulu_nation8 wrote:
lol these arguments are so hilarious and entertaining, regi: "youre the worst player thats why youre stuck on support."


even funnier when you know that reginald flipped shit several weeks ago when he thought xpecial said he's bad and screwed up. now he's verbally abusing him and thinks he's right.

poor xpecial. if someone leaves TSM it'd be him and i wouldn't blame him at all

TBH Xpecial is the second best person on TSM.


#1 chaox?
i guess he's the other calm and reasonable member of tsm. even though TOO has gotten a better attitude in the last weeks imoimo

Naw, you have to give #1 to regi. Chaox gets carried bot lane by Xpecial. Its just being the ad carry lets you get all the credit.

TSM power rank:

#1 Regi
#2 Xpecial
#3 Chaox
#4 TOO
#5 TRM

well i don't quite agree with you on that, but that's ok.

i'd set it to xpecial, chaox, too, regi, rainman.

the best part is CLG.eu listening to the stream and just laughing at it. shows you what the age difference can do. and yes i blame alot of TSM's fault on their childish behavior and their age

Regi when he's having a good game carries harder than anyone else on the team. Regi on a bad day feeds and bitches at his teammate. Chaox/Xpecial are more reliable but when Regi is 'on' he's TSM's star.

You... don't rate absolutely players by their very best games if they're incredibly inconsistent. Might as well rate Jiji #1 in CLG then.

Oh, I agree. Just I'm trying to point out that rating players isn't nearly so clear-cut. Honestly I don't see the value in comparing players on one team anyways, since their performance is so dependant on the other players on their team to begin with.

(For I similar reason it always seems silly to me when people blame RainMan for TSM losing games. So if we agree he's the weakest player on the team - has anyone ever seen the other members of the team try to give him honest constructive criticism? Try to actually help him improve? All I ever see is his teammates trying to bludgeon him into admitting when he screws up, and focussing less on how to win in the future than on who's FAULT they're loss is.)

It's not their problem to get TRM to get better. If they find a top lane who's better than TRM who's the person who's going to care the most?

Except it IS their problem - his performance affects the rest of them. If RainMan screws up, its the whole team that loses games.
emucxg
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Finland4559 Posts
February 13 2012 23:36 GMT
#3432
lol wickd made fun of regi

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WhiteDog
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France8650 Posts
February 13 2012 23:38 GMT
#3433
On February 14 2012 08:29 Treadmill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2012 08:19 Shikyo wrote:
On February 14 2012 08:18 Dgiese wrote:
On February 14 2012 08:16 Niton wrote:
Hotshot's being real deep right now - "Regi has too much control over them, he's in control of the team, and the site, and their streams, and their future, so when they have a fight with him they just have to back down."

It's really depressing to think of it like that, but it really seems to be true ;/

That's cause hotshot does the same thing with CLG, cept Saint gives no fucks, and Jiji and Chauster are chill.

Um he doesn't do nearly the same thing with CLG o.O
On February 14 2012 08:19 Treadmill wrote:
On February 14 2012 08:03 Shikyo wrote:
On February 14 2012 08:01 Treadmill wrote:
On February 14 2012 07:54 DoXa wrote:
On February 14 2012 07:50 Two_DoWn wrote:
On February 14 2012 07:48 DoXa wrote:
On February 14 2012 07:46 Two_DoWn wrote:
On February 14 2012 07:44 DoXa wrote:
[quote]

even funnier when you know that reginald flipped shit several weeks ago when he thought xpecial said he's bad and screwed up. now he's verbally abusing him and thinks he's right.

poor xpecial. if someone leaves TSM it'd be him and i wouldn't blame him at all

TBH Xpecial is the second best person on TSM.


#1 chaox?
i guess he's the other calm and reasonable member of tsm. even though TOO has gotten a better attitude in the last weeks imoimo

Naw, you have to give #1 to regi. Chaox gets carried bot lane by Xpecial. Its just being the ad carry lets you get all the credit.

TSM power rank:

#1 Regi
#2 Xpecial
#3 Chaox
#4 TOO
#5 TRM

well i don't quite agree with you on that, but that's ok.

i'd set it to xpecial, chaox, too, regi, rainman.

the best part is CLG.eu listening to the stream and just laughing at it. shows you what the age difference can do. and yes i blame alot of TSM's fault on their childish behavior and their age

Regi when he's having a good game carries harder than anyone else on the team. Regi on a bad day feeds and bitches at his teammate. Chaox/Xpecial are more reliable but when Regi is 'on' he's TSM's star.

You... don't rate absolutely players by their very best games if they're incredibly inconsistent. Might as well rate Jiji #1 in CLG then.

Oh, I agree. Just I'm trying to point out that rating players isn't nearly so clear-cut. Honestly I don't see the value in comparing players on one team anyways, since their performance is so dependant on the other players on their team to begin with.

(For I similar reason it always seems silly to me when people blame RainMan for TSM losing games. So if we agree he's the weakest player on the team - has anyone ever seen the other members of the team try to give him honest constructive criticism? Try to actually help him improve? All I ever see is his teammates trying to bludgeon him into admitting when he screws up, and focussing less on how to win in the future than on who's FAULT they're loss is.)

I've actually seen that yeah, like when Chaox told him he shouldn't split up he argued a ton about it not being his bad etc. I think he's not a person who you can really help improve with words

Maybe. I also think he's gotten to a place where he's so used to being blamed and bitched at when he screws up that he just gets super overly defensive against any criticism. Which you can't put entirely on TRM, is my point. (Not excusing TRM just blaming only him when he screws up goes against the point of a team game imo).
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2012 08:25 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
On February 14 2012 08:19 Treadmill wrote:
On February 14 2012 08:03 Shikyo wrote:
On February 14 2012 08:01 Treadmill wrote:
On February 14 2012 07:54 DoXa wrote:
On February 14 2012 07:50 Two_DoWn wrote:
On February 14 2012 07:48 DoXa wrote:
On February 14 2012 07:46 Two_DoWn wrote:
On February 14 2012 07:44 DoXa wrote:
[quote]

even funnier when you know that reginald flipped shit several weeks ago when he thought xpecial said he's bad and screwed up. now he's verbally abusing him and thinks he's right.

poor xpecial. if someone leaves TSM it'd be him and i wouldn't blame him at all

TBH Xpecial is the second best person on TSM.


#1 chaox?
i guess he's the other calm and reasonable member of tsm. even though TOO has gotten a better attitude in the last weeks imoimo

Naw, you have to give #1 to regi. Chaox gets carried bot lane by Xpecial. Its just being the ad carry lets you get all the credit.

TSM power rank:

#1 Regi
#2 Xpecial
#3 Chaox
#4 TOO
#5 TRM

well i don't quite agree with you on that, but that's ok.

i'd set it to xpecial, chaox, too, regi, rainman.

the best part is CLG.eu listening to the stream and just laughing at it. shows you what the age difference can do. and yes i blame alot of TSM's fault on their childish behavior and their age

Regi when he's having a good game carries harder than anyone else on the team. Regi on a bad day feeds and bitches at his teammate. Chaox/Xpecial are more reliable but when Regi is 'on' he's TSM's star.

You... don't rate absolutely players by their very best games if they're incredibly inconsistent. Might as well rate Jiji #1 in CLG then.

Oh, I agree. Just I'm trying to point out that rating players isn't nearly so clear-cut. Honestly I don't see the value in comparing players on one team anyways, since their performance is so dependant on the other players on their team to begin with.

(For I similar reason it always seems silly to me when people blame RainMan for TSM losing games. So if we agree he's the weakest player on the team - has anyone ever seen the other members of the team try to give him honest constructive criticism? Try to actually help him improve? All I ever see is his teammates trying to bludgeon him into admitting when he screws up, and focussing less on how to win in the future than on who's FAULT they're loss is.)

It's not their problem to get TRM to get better. If they find a top lane who's better than TRM who's the person who's going to care the most?

Except it IS their problem - his performance affects the rest of them. If RainMan screws up, its the whole team that loses games.
I don't really think TRM is the weak link. As someone said earlier, Regi is really asking a lot of TOO, so it explain not only Regi's habit to snowball, but it also explain why TRM is struggling more.
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Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
February 13 2012 23:39 GMT
#3434
Had to go eat dinner, but I will say that IN TOURNAMENTS Regi is constantly TSM's best player. Rarely lays an egg and most of the time is the dominant force.

Outside of tourneys and in scrims he is a HUGE asshole and he is wildly inconsistent. But in tourney play you cant deny he is the second best mid behind salce in NA and overall most dominant member of TSM.
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Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17262 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-13 23:43:57
February 13 2012 23:40 GMT
#3435
On February 14 2012 07:12 TheYango wrote:
Item slows just don't stack, period

Nope.

Yes they stack. Every slow beyond the first is reduced by half (Strongest Slow is applied first).

60% from max rank ice blast
35% from Rylais (Reduced by 1/2 for 17.5%)

These are then applied multiplicatively so

Speed * (1-.6) * (1-.175) =
Speed * .4 * 825 = .33 or 67% total slow

There is also diminishing returns on slows if they reduce your movement speed beyond a certain threshold (don't have the numbers in front of me) but most likely unless the target has really high MS you would not slow them for the full 67%.

http://euw.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=180534&page=65


On February 14 2012 07:50 Two_DoWn wrote:
TSM power rank:

#1 Regi
#2 Xpecial
#3 Chaox
#4 TOO
#5 TRM

Not a chance in hell I'd put Reginald at the top of a power rank. It's Chaox, Xpecial, Reginald, and TRM/TOO tied for last.
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Eppa!
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden4641 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-13 23:45:16
February 13 2012 23:44 GMT
#3436
On February 14 2012 08:40 Craton wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2012 07:12 TheYango wrote:
Item slows just don't stack, period

Nope.

Show nested quote +
Yes they stack. Every slow beyond the first is reduced by half (Strongest Slow is applied first).

60% from max rank ice blast
35% from Rylais (Reduced by 1/2 for 17.5%)

These are then applied multiplicatively so

Speed * (1-.6) * (1-.175) =
Speed * .4 * 825 = .33 or 67% total slow

There is also diminishing returns on slows if they reduce your movement speed beyond a certain threshold (don't have the numbers in front of me) but most likely unless the target has really high MS you would not slow them for the full 67%.

http://euw.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=180534&page=6
5

He did say item slow which is true.

Reginald is surprisingly solid at lans.
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
February 13 2012 23:45 GMT
#3437
On February 14 2012 08:40 Craton wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2012 07:12 TheYango wrote:
Item slows just don't stack, period

Nope.

Show nested quote +
Yes they stack. Every slow beyond the first is reduced by half (Strongest Slow is applied first).

60% from max rank ice blast
35% from Rylais (Reduced by 1/2 for 17.5%)

These are then applied multiplicatively so

Speed * (1-.6) * (1-.175) =
Speed * .4 * 825 = .33 or 67% total slow

There is also diminishing returns on slows if they reduce your movement speed beyond a certain threshold (don't have the numbers in front of me) but most likely unless the target has really high MS you would not slow them for the full 67%.

http://euw.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=180534&page=65

How is Ice Blast an item slow?

Rylai's, Phage, Mallet, Triforce, and the Randuin's passive slow don't stack with each other. Only the strongest one is applied.
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Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17262 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-13 23:48:30
February 13 2012 23:45 GMT
#3438
Two items won't stack together, but items will still stack with other sources. You said items won't stack at all. There are three categories of slow (item/ability/buff) and each of those will stack the strongest.


On February 14 2012 08:19 Treadmill wrote:
Oh, I agree. Just I'm trying to point out that rating players isn't nearly so clear-cut. Honestly I don't see the value in comparing players on one team anyways, since their performance is so dependant on the other players on their team to begin with.

It's not that dependent when you look at multiple games as a whole. Chaox and Xpecial are very consistent, Reginald is hugely variable between feeding heavily and getting kills, and TOO/TRM regularly struggle. Even if there were instances where they did poorly because of teammates, it would be isolated incidents, but it's not.
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-13 23:48:21
February 13 2012 23:47 GMT
#3439
On February 14 2012 08:45 Craton wrote:
Two items won't stack together, but items will still stack with other sources. You said items won't stack at all. There are three categories of slow (item/ability/buff) and each of those will stack the strongest.

When I say "item slows don't stack", I'm pretty sure it's fairly clear that means with each other, not that they don't stack with other slows. You're literally the only person in this thread thus far to misinterpret me to mean that.
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mr_tolkien
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France8631 Posts
February 13 2012 23:51 GMT
#3440
Second try : HOW DO YOU BUILD RESISTS ON A BRUISER.
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