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Heed these two simple warnings. It will help make our GD a better place.

Consider this fair notice to all users. Warning will be dished out this patch.

Thanks.
Neo, 31.01.12
NSANE.hydra
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States644 Posts
February 09 2012 18:01 GMT
#2561
Not always, but if you're a gank-reliant jungler or can dragon early/want map control for whatever reason, then it seems like a good idea to get an early Oracles.
"fuck mech...I could 4pool and as long as he's simply PLANNING on going mech, I'll lose"
BobMcJohnson
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
France2916 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-09 18:02:53
February 09 2012 18:01 GMT
#2562
Holy shit Froggen with 240 cs at 22min o_o

edit: that teamfight by CLG O_O
Romanes eunt domus
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
February 09 2012 18:01 GMT
#2563
On February 10 2012 02:58 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 10 2012 02:48 NeoIllusions wrote:
Maokai gets a 9 min Oracles

That's a question I've been meaning to ask as a jungler. When should I start investing in Oracles'? Should I always have one for clearing wards, or only if they're being aggressive about warding?


It's a matter of playstyle. You are ceding aggro and possibly kills for better map control.
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
fishinguy
Profile Joined November 2010
Russian Federation798 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-09 18:03:52
February 09 2012 18:02 GMT
#2564
dat kennen ult

So much aoe there GP kennen and mao all ult that circle of death.
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-09 18:03:13
February 09 2012 18:02 GMT
#2565
Oh god Froggen. Why are you so good...

Oh and 5 0 4 Mao doesn't hurt either. wut
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
daemir
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland8662 Posts
February 09 2012 18:03 GMT
#2566
MYM should have seen that coming after they failed a shurelias engage. Back off, take dragon, go lanes.

Keep chasing, blow ults on soraka, get triple ulted. Aced.
Ecael
Profile Joined February 2008
United States6703 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-09 18:05:52
February 09 2012 18:03 GMT
#2567
That Soraka initiation too strong, can't not want to catch an unicorn alone.

On February 10 2012 03:03 daemir wrote:
MYM should have seen that coming after they failed a shurelias engage. Back off, take dragon, go lanes.

Keep chasing, blow ults on soraka, get triple ulted. Aced.

Only Skarner ulted far as I could see, too bad that the skarner ult is instrumental in keeping the aoe comp in line. Doesn't help that Taric is starting to lose power.
rapidash88
Profile Joined March 2011
United States194 Posts
February 09 2012 18:04 GMT
#2568
Dat triple ulti
Stroke me a clipper, I'll be back for Christmas
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-09 18:07:10
February 09 2012 18:06 GMT
#2569
Abyssal before Cap for FrogKennen.
Has anyone done the mathcraft for early Abyssal? This is not the first time I've seen a fast Abyssal on some AP players.

Edit: And it's not like MYM is running double AP where Kennen could really/urgently need the MR.
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Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
February 09 2012 18:07 GMT
#2570
On February 10 2012 03:01 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 10 2012 02:58 Requizen wrote:
On February 10 2012 02:48 NeoIllusions wrote:
Maokai gets a 9 min Oracles

That's a question I've been meaning to ask as a jungler. When should I start investing in Oracles'? Should I always have one for clearing wards, or only if they're being aggressive about warding?


It's a matter of playstyle. You are ceding aggro and possibly kills for better map control.

So would you say it's a good early buy on non-ganking junglers like Shy/GP/etc?
It's your boy Guzma!
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
February 09 2012 18:07 GMT
#2571
On February 10 2012 03:07 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 10 2012 03:01 NeoIllusions wrote:
On February 10 2012 02:58 Requizen wrote:
On February 10 2012 02:48 NeoIllusions wrote:
Maokai gets a 9 min Oracles

That's a question I've been meaning to ask as a jungler. When should I start investing in Oracles'? Should I always have one for clearing wards, or only if they're being aggressive about warding?


It's a matter of playstyle. You are ceding aggro and possibly kills for better map control.

So would you say it's a good early buy on non-ganking junglers like Shy/GP/etc?


Yes. Shy especially, bitch is so fast. Wards don't stand a chance.
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
barbsq
Profile Joined November 2009
United States5348 Posts
February 09 2012 18:09 GMT
#2572
On February 10 2012 02:51 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 10 2012 02:42 Requizen wrote:
On February 10 2012 02:41 seRapH wrote:
Vlad wasn't even that weak before the buff

Well, he wasn't "bad", but he wasn't on the silly level of some of the stronger mids, at least in my opinion.


Vlad was OP before his buffs ever since new masteries came out, people just didn't realize it. Then they buffed Vlad and now he's bat-shit insane OP and everyone realizes it ;d

I don't understand where the misconception of "Vlad sucks lategame" came from. Tides of Blood does ridiculous damage, he has ridiculous healing, and is unkillable with Pool/Hourglass, while amplifying the entire team's damage with ult. Where does the idea that Vlad falls off late game come form...? I think he's one of the best scaling APs.

Also Vlad outpushes and outtrades everyone once he has Revolver. Incredible lane bully past 1-4...


I think it comes from the fact that he is definitively lacking in cc, and has no actual hard cc, meaning his utility drops the longer the game goes on. On the other hand, his cd's are so low, he ends up with crazy sustained damage output, so the lack of cc should really just be a conscious decision of damage/survivability over utility.
Look at this guy, constantly diluting himself! (╮°-°)╮┳━┳ ( ╯°□°)╯ ┻━┻
Chiharu Harukaze
Profile Joined September 2011
12112 Posts
February 09 2012 18:09 GMT
#2573
On February 10 2012 03:06 NeoIllusions wrote:
Abyssal before Cap for FrogKennen.
Has anyone done the mathcraft for early Abyssal? This is not the first time I've seen a fast Abyssal on some AP players.

Edit: And it's not like MYM is running double AP where Kennen could really/urgently need the MR.

There was a post on Ele's blog with some mathcraft on it. It ended up being relatively situational depending on AP Scaling and CDR but Abyssal + Blasting Wand being just a bit cheaper but still offering close power output. So Abyssal lets you get a full item faster, but it tails off compared to the DCap Passive.
It's like, "Is the Federation's Mobile Suit some kind of monster?"
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
February 09 2012 18:10 GMT
#2574
MYM buckfutts CLG's bot lane early on but it doesn't seem to matter. CLGeu team fighting is simply superb.
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
Lancer723
Profile Joined September 2011
United States486 Posts
February 09 2012 18:10 GMT
#2575
On February 10 2012 03:06 NeoIllusions wrote:
Abyssal before Cap for FrogKennen.
Has anyone done the mathcraft for early Abyssal? This is not the first time I've seen a fast Abyssal on some AP players.

Edit: And it's not like MYM is running double AP where Kennen could really/urgently need the MR.


I forget what game it was, but during Kiev there was an Ahri vs Karthus mid match-up where the Ahri rushed abysal and it worked really well. I'm not sure on the math, but it did allow Ahri to basically kill Karthus at will by dashing around in his defile. I guess the reasoning being something like she needs the AP and Abyssal passive to kill Karthus, but also the MR to stand in his defile long enough to not die.
LoL ID - Lancer723 Gold III
Chiharu Harukaze
Profile Joined September 2011
12112 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-09 18:12:40
February 09 2012 18:12 GMT
#2576
On February 10 2012 03:10 NeoIllusions wrote:
MYM buckfutts CLG's bot lane early on but it doesn't seem to matter. CLGeu team fighting is simply superb.

I am constantly surprised how Snoopeh always seems to get out of crazy situations by the skin of his teeth.

BASERACE! CLG BARONBUFF TOO GUD.
It's like, "Is the Federation's Mobile Suit some kind of monster?"
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-09 18:12:31
February 09 2012 18:12 GMT
#2577
Don't agree with CLGeu's decision here.

Base race vs Sivir?

Edit: lawlz, I eat crow.
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
Fuzzmosis
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada752 Posts
February 09 2012 18:12 GMT
#2578
Baron > Sivir.
I'm From Canada, so they think I'm slow, eh?
Ecael
Profile Joined February 2008
United States6703 Posts
February 09 2012 18:12 GMT
#2579
On February 10 2012 03:12 NeoIllusions wrote:
Don't agree with CLGeu's decision here.

Base race vs Sivir?

Baron too strong I guess.
fishinguy
Profile Joined November 2010
Russian Federation798 Posts
February 09 2012 18:13 GMT
#2580
they won bace race vs sivir taric baron buff too stronk
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