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Thanks.
Neo, 31.01.12
seRapH
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9823 Posts
February 09 2012 17:41 GMT
#2541
Vlad wasn't even that weak before the buff
boomer hands
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
February 09 2012 17:42 GMT
#2542
On February 10 2012 02:41 seRapH wrote:
Vlad wasn't even that weak before the buff

Well, he wasn't "bad", but he wasn't on the silly level of some of the stronger mids, at least in my opinion.
It's your boy Guzma!
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
February 09 2012 17:42 GMT
#2543
Ignite Taric real stronk.
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
February 09 2012 17:43 GMT
#2544
On February 10 2012 02:39 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 10 2012 02:25 jcarlsoniv wrote:
MYM:
Bans: Anivia, Ahri, Galio
Picks: Morg, Irelia, Taric, Sivir, Skarner

CLG.eu:
Bans: Vlad, Rammus, Kass
Picks: Maokai, Corki, GP, Kennen, Soraka

Banning Vlad? was his buff that big?

Also, MYM has the stronger champ assortment imo. Sivir and Skarner are just so dominant right now, and Irelia should be able to go even/demolish GP top with no problem.


Vlad is really really strong right now. I struggle against him in lane personally, but that may just be me.


On February 10 2012 02:40 fishinguy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 10 2012 02:25 jcarlsoniv wrote:
MYM:
Bans: Anivia, Ahri, Galio
Picks: Morg, Irelia, Taric, Sivir, Skarner

CLG.eu:
Bans: Vlad, Rammus, Kass
Picks: Maokai, Corki, GP, Kennen, Soraka


Is this still going on? if so could you post a link?


http://en.twitch.tv/esltv_studio1

Just started =)
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NSANE.hydra
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States644 Posts
February 09 2012 17:43 GMT
#2545
o.O am I the only one who has smartcast binded to Shift+Q/W/E/R? I like having ranges when I want them, especially for AoE spells. Unless you play a champion a shitton, it's difficult to judge the range of AoE spells without the indicator. Smartcasting is really just useful for instantaneously chaining multiple spells into a few animation frames. A lot of the time when I'm laning without fast-paced action, I end up pressing Q or w/e for the range indicator and then smartcasting it afterwards. Honestly doesn't take up much more time, and makes you more accurate and used to spell ranges.
"fuck mech...I could 4pool and as long as he's simply PLANNING on going mech, I'll lose"
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
February 09 2012 17:44 GMT
#2546
Nice MYM dive with huge creep wave up top.
Wickd down.
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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
February 09 2012 17:45 GMT
#2547
It still surprises me to see Taric picked. He's just a terrible support champion, imo.
Soniv ||| Soniv#1962 ||| @jcarlsoniv ||| The Big Golem ||| Join the Glorious Evolution. What's your favorite aminal, a bear? ||| Joe "Don't call me Daniel" "Soniv" "Daniel" Carlsberg LXIX ||| Paging Dr. John Shadow
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
February 09 2012 17:47 GMT
#2548
Bad tower dive by MYM, lost two for killing CLG's Corki.
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NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
February 09 2012 17:47 GMT
#2549
On February 10 2012 02:45 jcarlsoniv wrote:
It still surprises me to see Taric picked. He's just a terrible support champion, imo.


All about early game. Terribad late game, worst of the Support 5.
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
February 09 2012 17:47 GMT
#2550
On February 10 2012 02:43 NSANE.hydra wrote:
o.O am I the only one who has smartcast binded to Shift+Q/W/E/R? I like having ranges when I want them, especially for AoE spells. Unless you play a champion a shitton, it's difficult to judge the range of AoE spells without the indicator. Smartcasting is really just useful for instantaneously chaining multiple spells into a few animation frames. A lot of the time when I'm laning without fast-paced action, I end up pressing Q or w/e for the range indicator and then smartcasting it afterwards. Honestly doesn't take up much more time, and makes you more accurate and used to spell ranges.

The idea would be that once you've learned those spell ranges, smartcasting makes you that much more quick at unloading a combo, which is highly important for certain APs like Veigar and LB, and so that champions like Cassi that have multiple sustained damage-type spells can pull them all off in the time they need to.

By all means, use the range indicators, but once you get a good feel for a champion's spell ranges, switch to smartcasting it. You will see it being much more effective.
Writer@WriterYamato
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
February 09 2012 17:48 GMT
#2551
Maokai gets a 9 min Oracles
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
February 09 2012 17:48 GMT
#2552
On February 10 2012 02:43 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 10 2012 02:39 Requizen wrote:
On February 10 2012 02:25 jcarlsoniv wrote:
MYM:
Bans: Anivia, Ahri, Galio
Picks: Morg, Irelia, Taric, Sivir, Skarner

CLG.eu:
Bans: Vlad, Rammus, Kass
Picks: Maokai, Corki, GP, Kennen, Soraka

Banning Vlad? was his buff that big?

Also, MYM has the stronger champ assortment imo. Sivir and Skarner are just so dominant right now, and Irelia should be able to go even/demolish GP top with no problem.


Vlad is really really strong right now. I struggle against him in lane personally, but that may just be me.


Show nested quote +
On February 10 2012 02:40 fishinguy wrote:
On February 10 2012 02:25 jcarlsoniv wrote:
MYM:
Bans: Anivia, Ahri, Galio
Picks: Morg, Irelia, Taric, Sivir, Skarner

CLG.eu:
Bans: Vlad, Rammus, Kass
Picks: Maokai, Corki, GP, Kennen, Soraka


Is this still going on? if so could you post a link?


http://en.twitch.tv/esltv_studio1

Just started =)

tbh, I don't think vlad is that strong. I feel his power curve lowers significantly into the late games, his powercurve is strongest at midgame to latemidgame.

I think the reason people think he's really powerful is the actual lack of lane experience. Before the buff, almost no one played him, so there wasn't really that much lane experience against him, then they buff the shit out of him, and now there is an overexposure of him. It'll be just a matter of time until people learn how to play against him in lane.
liftlift > tsm
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
February 09 2012 17:48 GMT
#2553
Maokai clears a top tribush ward, MYM smartly responds with free Dargon.
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
February 09 2012 17:49 GMT
#2554
On February 10 2012 02:47 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 10 2012 02:45 jcarlsoniv wrote:
It still surprises me to see Taric picked. He's just a terrible support champion, imo.


All about early game. Terribad late game, worst of the Support 5.


I'm surprised more people don't play Janna instead. Knock up + slow + AD steroid shield + Ult. I feel like I can actually HELP my team as Janna more than any other support (save ali, maybe, but my ali is awful).
Soniv ||| Soniv#1962 ||| @jcarlsoniv ||| The Big Golem ||| Join the Glorious Evolution. What's your favorite aminal, a bear? ||| Joe "Don't call me Daniel" "Soniv" "Daniel" Carlsberg LXIX ||| Paging Dr. John Shadow
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
February 09 2012 17:50 GMT
#2555
Vlad is stupidly strong. Weak from levels 1-4. Then he's just a lane bully from 5+.
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Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21247 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-09 17:53:46
February 09 2012 17:51 GMT
#2556
On February 10 2012 02:42 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 10 2012 02:41 seRapH wrote:
Vlad wasn't even that weak before the buff

Well, he wasn't "bad", but he wasn't on the silly level of some of the stronger mids, at least in my opinion.


Vlad was OP before his buffs ever since new masteries came out, people just didn't realize it. Then they buffed Vlad and now he's bat-shit insane OP and everyone realizes it ;d

I don't understand where the misconception of "Vlad sucks lategame" came from. Tides of Blood does ridiculous damage, he has ridiculous healing, and is unkillable with Pool/Hourglass, while amplifying the entire team's damage with ult. Where does the idea that Vlad falls off late game come form...? I think he's one of the best scaling APs.

Also Vlad outpushes and outtrades everyone once he has Revolver. Incredible lane bully past 1-4...
TranslatorBaa!
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
February 09 2012 17:51 GMT
#2557
On February 10 2012 02:49 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 10 2012 02:47 NeoIllusions wrote:
On February 10 2012 02:45 jcarlsoniv wrote:
It still surprises me to see Taric picked. He's just a terrible support champion, imo.


All about early game. Terribad late game, worst of the Support 5.


I'm surprised more people don't play Janna instead. Knock up + slow + AD steroid shield + Ult. I feel like I can actually HELP my team as Janna more than any other support (save ali, maybe, but my ali is awful).


Ali hard to play, so it's understandable. But Janna is probably the least picked for some reason. Lack of heal perhaps. But the utility she brings is immense.
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
February 09 2012 17:55 GMT
#2558
On February 10 2012 02:51 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 10 2012 02:49 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On February 10 2012 02:47 NeoIllusions wrote:
On February 10 2012 02:45 jcarlsoniv wrote:
It still surprises me to see Taric picked. He's just a terrible support champion, imo.


All about early game. Terribad late game, worst of the Support 5.


I'm surprised more people don't play Janna instead. Knock up + slow + AD steroid shield + Ult. I feel like I can actually HELP my team as Janna more than any other support (save ali, maybe, but my ali is awful).


Ali hard to play, so it's understandable. But Janna is probably the least picked for some reason. Lack of heal perhaps. But the utility she brings is immense.

Janna is also hard to play compared to the other supports. It's quite easy to fuck shit up with her ult aswell.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
February 09 2012 17:58 GMT
#2559
On February 10 2012 02:48 NeoIllusions wrote:
Maokai gets a 9 min Oracles

That's a question I've been meaning to ask as a jungler. When should I start investing in Oracles'? Should I always have one for clearing wards, or only if they're being aggressive about warding?
It's your boy Guzma!
Brees
Profile Joined January 2010
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
February 09 2012 18:01 GMT
#2560
ok lets not get ridiculous vlad does not outrade everyone once he gets revolver unless they have really short range spells. most mids can stay out of range of his E so your never going to out trade any of them. Ahri/cass/galio/swain/morg/malz/etc can all handle vlad no problem.

i find him a lot more effective top personally, but again he doesnt get really good until he hits that 9.

just my 2 cents from playing about 80 or so vlad games now (pre buff and post buff)
Brees on in
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