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Want to rage about your latest loss?
Use the QQ thread.
If you whine in GD, you'll get warned.

- Neo, 9:49 KST, Nov 9th
Agnosthar
Profile Joined August 2010
631 Posts
November 11 2011 17:03 GMT
#2941
I'm wondering if any of you guys who have experience playing a number of champions at solo top would be kind enough to give me some advice. I'm trying to get more experience in top lane, having only played Cho about 10 times there.
I'm looking to try one of: Irelia, Riven or Wukong.

I would like to know if any of the above are clearly better suited for top laning than the rest, and/or which you find to be the most rewarding of these champions.
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
November 11 2011 17:04 GMT
#2942
Real men play Ryze with 6 Catas.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
unichan
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States4223 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-11 17:30:52
November 11 2011 17:26 GMT
#2943
On November 12 2011 02:04 Two_DoWn wrote:
Real men play Ryze with 6 Catas.

that give less mana
+ Show Spoiler +
http://leaguecraft.com/builder/Ryze/?items=5,7,7,7,7,7&runes=41,41,41,41,41,41,41,41,41,88,88,88,88,88,88,88,88,88,31,31,31,31,31,31,31,31,31,93,93,93&masteries=0000000000000003033000000000013004032031301&level=18

yea thats what i thought
:)
Sabin010
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1892 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-11 17:28:41
November 11 2011 17:27 GMT
#2944
real men play ryze tear sword of the occult, mejai's, leviathan, triforce, manamune.

You don't need mana if Triforce Procs are hitting for 500 every 2 seconds.
Shiragaku
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Hong Kong4308 Posts
November 11 2011 17:50 GMT
#2945
I do not get how people are still trying to justify that Karma is good. I have lost almost every single game with a Karma on my team except with one guy who I saw play her exceptionally well but is still unable to hard carry.

She seems to be a piece of shit on low and high ELO, end of story.
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
November 11 2011 17:52 GMT
#2946
On November 12 2011 02:50 Shiragaku wrote:
I do not get how people are still trying to justify that Karma is good. I have lost almost every single game with a Karma on my team except with one guy who I saw play her exceptionally well but is still unable to hard carry.

She seems to be a piece of shit on low and high ELO, end of story.

If they're using mantra on their Q for the heal on a regular basis, they're probably dead weight because they're playing the champ wrong. Her shieldburst is quite dangerous.
Phrost
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States4008 Posts
November 11 2011 18:08 GMT
#2947
On November 12 2011 02:27 Sabin010 wrote:
real men play ryze tear sword of the occult, mejai's, leviathan, triforce, manamune.

You don't need mana if Triforce Procs are hitting for 500 every 2 seconds.


Triforce is base damage, which is does not include items
iamphrost.tumblr.com // http://howtobebettermagicplayer.tumblr.com // twitter @phrost_
Offhand
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1869 Posts
November 11 2011 18:27 GMT
#2948
Ryze is surprisingly good in SR, despite the fact that I rarely see him played and the average person is terrible with him. He get's to build so defensive while gaining damage with most items (frozen heart grants 500 mana, for instance, and requires 1 blue crystal). RoA is good on Ryze but I never have time to build it early, I'd rather get tear, boots, and glacial shroud/frozen heart first most games.
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
November 11 2011 18:32 GMT
#2949
On November 12 2011 02:50 Shiragaku wrote:
I do not get how people are still trying to justify that Karma is good. I have lost almost every single game with a Karma on my team except with one guy who I saw play her exceptionally well but is still unable to hard carry.

She seems to be a piece of shit on low and high ELO, end of story.


working as intended
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
Niton
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States2395 Posts
November 11 2011 18:33 GMT
#2950
On November 12 2011 02:50 Shiragaku wrote:
I do not get how people are still trying to justify that Karma is good. I have lost almost every single game with a Karma on my team except with one guy who I saw play her exceptionally well but is still unable to hard carry.

She seems to be a piece of shit on low and high ELO, end of story.


Karma exists as per her name, if you're a jerk you get a lot of her.
tree.hugger: Coming off of [(T)fantasy v. (T)Really] into [(T)Barracks v. (T)MVP] is like coming out of Manhattan into New Jersey. You just have to speed up and ignore it.
Hoban
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1600 Posts
November 11 2011 18:33 GMT
#2951
On November 12 2011 02:03 Agnosthar wrote:
I'm wondering if any of you guys who have experience playing a number of champions at solo top would be kind enough to give me some advice. I'm trying to get more experience in top lane, having only played Cho about 10 times there.
I'm looking to try one of: Irelia, Riven or Wukong.

I would like to know if any of the above are clearly better suited for top laning than the rest, and/or which you find to be the most rewarding of these champions.


I personally play Riven almost exclusively top lane as my solo Q champ. She is extremely fun to play (dodging skill shots feels so good) and she can lane against almost anybody. A skilled Riven can outlane Irelia, Cho, Garen, Akali, and many of the other better top lane picks. She has crazy damage in the first few levels, is extremely good at trading without taking damage, and can dodge ganks like a boss. She takes some getting used to but I suggest watching Westrice or another high ELO player win with her. Another great thing about her in solo Q is her ability to carry really really hard. She has some amazing scaling and I find that once I have Wriggles+boots(ionians generally)+Brutalizer+Bloodthirster (at a decent time) then she is nigh unkillable and will demolish squishies in team fights. The only problem lanes I have with Riven are Ap Scion and Lee Sin. Singed, Udyr, Warwick, and Wukong require at least a little help from your jungle. Beyond that I have been able to win every other lane matchup.

I know Irelia and Wukong are also amazing at carrying games but I have little experience playing either. Of the three champs though, I think Riven is the most fun to play. You feel so good early game but you will absolutely destroy late game if you win your lane.
"I am a leaf on the wind."
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States13960 Posts
November 11 2011 18:36 GMT
#2952
ad/mana ryze is the new meta. I've done it and its pretty sick.

but no the manamure grows that mana bonus so fast and it helps your dps a hella lot in mid game.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
volcryn
Profile Joined November 2010
United States149 Posts
November 11 2011 18:40 GMT
#2953
Completely off topic from what is being discussed - but Lapaka is no longer with absolute legends. more drama to unfold?
BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
November 11 2011 18:46 GMT
#2954
We have like the #1 karma on TL and everyone on TL shit talks about her trollolol
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
November 11 2011 19:04 GMT
#2955
On November 12 2011 03:46 BlackPaladin wrote:
We have like the #1 karma on TL and everyone on TL shit talks about her trollolol

More like the only karma.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
November 11 2011 19:04 GMT
#2956
I have a question regarding supports. After seeing your team comp and enemy team comp, how do you know which support to take? I can play a lot of supports, but I need to look more into complementing my team comp a bit better.
Snowster
Profile Joined June 2003
United States78 Posts
November 11 2011 19:07 GMT
#2957
Karma is probably the easiest champion to carry solo q with right now. I'd write a guide for her but I'm not sure I want to start seeing her picked/banned in my games...
Sabin010
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1892 Posts
November 11 2011 19:19 GMT
#2958
Karma is a great champ, aoe nuke with .8 scaling that doubles as a shield, movement speed steroid, %health heal. Pretty solid skill set. Every move can be used offensively and defensively. How is she worse than some one like Shivana?
rigwarl
Profile Joined January 2011
United States540 Posts
November 11 2011 19:25 GMT
#2959
I just had a guy in my game say:

APyro: hi noobs whos tanking?
** Niern7774 has chosen Shen. **
APyro: we need and ad
APyro: and rage ad
APyro: like trynd

I assume this guy got the impression from a typo on forums/streams that teams need "rage AD" instead of "ranged AD".
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
November 11 2011 19:25 GMT
#2960
On November 12 2011 04:19 Sabin010 wrote:
Karma is a great champ, aoe nuke with .8 scaling that doubles as a shield, movement speed steroid, %health heal. Pretty solid skill set. Every move can be used offensively and defensively. How is she worse than some one like Shivana?

Oh man, better than Shyvanna. Must be a great champ!
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